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[003] ExplodingFrogs Current Version
11th Oct '11 at 06:41:35 PM
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I don\'t see any reason why it doesn\'t belong on TvTropes. Sure, no other work has a timeline yet (beyond making an occasional appearance in the GrandUnifiedTimeline, which isn\'t quite the same thing) but we didn\'t always have Review, Recap or Analysis pages either, and those had to start somewhere.
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I don\\\'t see any reason why it doesn\\\'t belong on TvTropes. Sure, no other work has a timeline yet (beyond making an occasional appearance in the GrandUnifiedTimeline, which isn\\\'t quite the same thing) but we didn\\\'t always have Review, Recap or Analysis pages either, and those had to start somewhere. I encourage the creation of other Timeline pages; DoctorWho in particular sounds like it could greatly benefit, from what I\\\'ve heard.
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If the MSPA wiki wishes to start a timeline, they are welcome to do so, but I\'m not familiar enough with that wiki\'s rules and markup system to feel remotely qualfied to start such a massive project myself.
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If the MSPA wiki wishes to start a timeline, they are more than welcome to do so (in fact, [[StartMyOwn I started this project in part out of frustration at the fact that I couldn\\\'t find a complete Homestuck timeline anywhere online]]) but I\\\'m not familiar enough with that wiki\\\'s rules and markup system to feel remotely qualfied to start such a massive project myself.
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\'\'As for the timeline sections, regardless of what you say, I find placing the events of the trolls beneath the humans leads to the conclusion that said events occur later in the timeline. What would probably work better would be to make up a prefix for each timeline, and use that before each point, discarding the sections entirely. Examples might be \
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\\\'\\\'As for the timeline sections, regardless of what you say, I find placing the events of the trolls beneath the humans leads to the conclusion that said events occur later in the timeline. What would probably work better would be to make up a prefix for each timeline, and use that before each point, discarding the sections entirely. Examples might be \\\"Pre-Scratch Alternian Session (PSAS), Alternia (A), Troll Session (TS)\\\" etc.\\\'\\\'

You mean, collapse it all into a single timeline, with only the prefixes telling the different universes apart? I thought you wanted to make the timeline \\\'\\\'more\\\'\\\' readable, not less. That would be an incoherent mess.

This is not a single timeline divided into several sections. This is several different timelines that happen to be listed on the same page. None of them can really be said to have come \\\"before\\\" or \\\"after\\\" the others.

To clarify, we can say that the battle between Mindfang and Redglare came after the Sufferer\\\'s death and before the landing of their descendents. However, we cannot say that it took place before, after, or during Jade\\\'s thirteenth birthday, or any other event on Earth\\\'s timeline. Yes, even though it was trolls that created Earth. That\\\'s not an indication that Alternia or the troll session is in Earth\\\'s past; it\\\'s a momentary intersection between the timelines of the troll session and Earth. Beyond that one moment, they have no connection. (Well, apart from all the trollings. And Bec Noir\\\'s arrival. And whatever the fuck goes down at the Critical Moment. But you get the idea.)

What this means is that a) it is absolutely crucial to divide the events of Homestuck into multiple timelines if this page is to make any kind of sense, and b) the order of those timelines is fairly arbitrary. They aren\\\'t happening before, after, or at the same time as one another, though \\\"at the same time\\\" comes the closest and is easier to understand that the truth.

tl;dr: The page is organized the way it is because Weird Time Shit. Any solution has to take this into account lest it make things worse.
[002] ExplodingFrogs
11th Oct '11 at 06:36:09 PM
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I don\'t see any reason why it doesn\'t belong on TvTropes. Sure, no other work has a timeline yet (beyond making an occasional appearance in the WMG/GrandUnifyingTimeline, which isn\'t quite the same thing) but we didn\'t always have Review, Recap or Analysis pages either, and those had to start somewhere.
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I don\\\'t see any reason why it doesn\\\'t belong on TvTropes. Sure, no other work has a timeline yet (beyond making an occasional appearance in the GrandUnifiedTimeline, which isn\\\'t quite the same thing) but we didn\\\'t always have Review, Recap or Analysis pages either, and those had to start somewhere.
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\'\'As for the timeline sections, regardless of what you say, I find placing the events of the trolls beneath the humans leads to the conclusion that said events occur later in the timeline. What would probably work better would be to make up a prefix for each timeline, and use that before each point, discarding the sections entirely. Examples might be \
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\\\'\\\'As for the timeline sections, regardless of what you say, I find placing the events of the trolls beneath the humans leads to the conclusion that said events occur later in the timeline. What would probably work better would be to make up a prefix for each timeline, and use that before each point, discarding the sections entirely. Examples might be \\\"Pre-Scratch Alternian Session (PSAS), Alternia (A), Troll Session (TS)\\\" etc.\\\'\\\'

You mean, collapse it all into a single timeline, with only the prefixes telling the different universes apart? I thought you wanted to make the timeline \\\'\\\'more\\\'\\\' readable, not less. That would be an incoherent mess.

This is not a single timeline divided into several sections. This is several different timelines that happen to be listed on the same page. None of them can really be said to have come \\\"before\\\" or \\\"after\\\" the others.

To clarify, we can say that the battle between Mindfang and Redglare came after the Sufferer\\\'s death and before the landing of their descendents. However, we cannot say that it took place before, after, or during Jade\\\'s thirteenth birthday, or any other event on Earth\\\'s timeline. Yes, even though it was trolls that created Earth. That\\\'s not an indication that Alternia or the troll session is in Earth\\\'s past; it\\\'s a momentary intersection between the timelines of the troll session and Earth. Beyond that one moment, they have no connection. (Well, apart from all the trollings. And Bec Noir\\\'s arrival. And whatever the fuck goes down at the Critical Moment. But you get the idea.)

What this means is that a) it is absolutely crucial to divide the events of Homestuck into multiple timelines if this page is to make any kind of sense, and b) the order of those timelines is fairly arbitrary. They aren\\\'t happening before, after, or at the same time as one another, though \\\"at the same time\\\" comes the closest and is easier to understand that the truth.

tl;dr: The page is organized the way it is because Weird Time Shit. Any solution has to take this into account lest it make things worse.
[001] ExplodingFrogs
11th Oct '11 at 06:35:31 PM
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I don\'t see any reason why it doesn\'t belong on TvTropes. Sure, no other work has a timeline yet (beyond making an occasional appearance in the GrandUnifyingTimeline, which isn\'t quite the same thing) but we didn\'t always have Review, Recap or Analysis pages either, and those had to start somewhere.
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I don\\\'t see any reason why it doesn\\\'t belong on TvTropes. Sure, no other work has a timeline yet (beyond making an occasional appearance in the WMG/GrandUnifyingTimeline, which isn\\\'t quite the same thing) but we didn\\\'t always have Review, Recap or Analysis pages either, and those had to start somewhere.
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\'\'As for the timeline sections, regardless of what you say, I find placing the events of the trolls beneath the humans leads to the conclusion that said events occur later in the timeline. What would probably work better would be to make up a prefix for each timeline, and use that before each point, discarding the sections entirely. Examples might be \
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\\\'\\\'As for the timeline sections, regardless of what you say, I find placing the events of the trolls beneath the humans leads to the conclusion that said events occur later in the timeline. What would probably work better would be to make up a prefix for each timeline, and use that before each point, discarding the sections entirely. Examples might be \\\"Pre-Scratch Alternian Session (PSAS), Alternia (A), Troll Session (TS)\\\" etc.\\\'\\\'

You mean, collapse it all into a single timeline, with only the prefixes telling the different universes apart? I thought you wanted to make the timeline \\\'\\\'more\\\'\\\' readable, not less. That would be an incoherent mess.

This is not a single timeline divided into several sections. This is several different timelines that happen to be listed on the same page. None of them can really be said to have come \\\"before\\\" or \\\"after\\\" the others.

To clarify, we can say that the battle between Mindfang and Redglare came after the Sufferer\\\'s death and before the landing of their descendents. However, we cannot say that it took place before, after, or during Jade\\\'s thirteenth birthday, or any other event on Earth\\\'s timeline. Yes, even though it was trolls that created Earth. That\\\'s not an indication that Alternia or the troll session is in Earth\\\'s past; it\\\'s a momentary intersection between the timelines of the troll session and Earth. Beyond that one moment, they have no connection. (Well, apart from all the trollings. And Bec Noir\\\'s arrival. And whatever the fuck goes down at the Critical Moment. But you get the idea.)

What this means is that a) it is absolutely crucial to divide the events of Homestuck into multiple timelines if this page is to make any kind of sense, and b) the order of those timelines is fairly arbitrary. They aren\\\'t happening before, after, or at the same time as one another, though \\\"at the same time\\\" comes the closest and is easier to understand that the truth.

tl;dr: The page is organized the way it is because Weird Time Shit. Any solution has to take this into account lest it make things worse.

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