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\'\'I have to disagree; organizing events in say, the Troll Session is pretty much impossible. Yes you can say \
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\\\'\\\'I have to disagree; organizing events in say, the Troll Session is pretty much impossible. Yes you can say \\\"X happened, then Y\\\" but there are continual flashbacks that we simply have no context to connect.\\\'\\\'
This is completely false. Hussie is very good about leaving contextual clues as to when flashbacks take place. Just because you haven\\\'t noticed them doesn\\\'t mean they aren\\\'t there.
\\\'\\\'Likewise if you insist that events past [S] Descend (or Jade\\\'s Entry) are easy to organize, I disagree strongly, because with exception to John, everyone has been doing things off panel and we\\\'re only seeing about half of their actions. For instance, if you follow John roughly from the time of his death on the Quest Bed to the Scratch, you could probably guess at some of Rose\\\'s actions happening at approximately the same time, but even trying to organize what Dave was doing or Jade is pretty much not going to happen.\\\'\\\'
Again, false. Aside from flashbacks and associated contextual clues, the characters frequently state outright what they\\\'ve been doing off-panel, or at least hint at it strongly enough that placing them in a timeline becomes possible. Or were you referring to the impossibility of doing a play-by-play of every move they make as I have been doing for John and Rose\\\'s entry sequences? I agree, that is quite impossible. Fortunately, it\\\'s also unnecessary. It\\\'s enough to note down the events in the comic in the chronological order that they occurred. That\\\'s what a timeline \\\'\\\'is\\\'\\\', after all.
\\\'\\\'isn\\\'t the point you\\\'ve been driving at is that it\\\'s only going to become even more intricate as you improve the page\\\'\\\'
You misunderstood me. I am not planning on making the timeline even more complicated. Quite the opposite, in fact. What I said was that I intend to complete the very detailed play-by-play sequences to ensure that nothing important is missed, then prune out the unnecessary details. I admit that this might be better undertaken in a word processor than on the wiki proper, though. Hindsight is 20-20, as they say.
\\\'\\\'There\\\'s no need to list every alchemization (considering most of them are one of gags),\\\'\\\'
Alchemization is very important overall, and given that Homestuck is incomplete, we cannot yet say if those apparent one-off gags will turn out to be significant. It would hardly be the first time.
\\\'\\\'Doomed Timelines make MUCH more logical sense to be mentioned when they branch off, the page as it actually stands is slightly out of order (Pre-Scratch Alternian Session is technically the earliest known event in the comic yet it\\\'s below the Humans),\\\'\\\'
Something you have to remember is that this isn\\\'t a single timeline; it\\\'s multiple intersecting timelines. It\\\'s explicitly stated in-comic (several times, in fact) that time in Sburb, the Furthest Ring, and Alternia don\\\'t really relate on a linear basis to time on Earth, and vice versa. So the top-to-bottom chronology really only applies within each individual timeline, as Alternia\\\'s past or future doesn\\\'t really have any bearing in Earth\\\'s, occasion intersections aside.
Doomed timelines are actually a bit of a problem. On the one hand, yes, it does make sense to have them branch off at the point where they, well, branch off. On the other hand, how to represent this without cluttering the page? Indentation already means further elaboration on a smaller time period within a larger timeline, and doomed timelines are explicitly separate timelines from the original. The current setup, where doomed timelines are briefly summarized at the end of their alpha timelines, is the compromise that was eventually settled on.
Perhaps there should be a note at the start of the page explaining all this. I thought it was self-evident, but if it\\\'s really that confusing...
\\\'\\\'how can you in any fashion know the order the Trolls fell in (save that Karkat fell last), the Condensce actually arrives at the exact time the Handmaid makes her escape attempt, it\\\'s impossible to organize the exact order of the entries of the Blue and Red teams after a point (Karkat, Terezi, Gamzee, Equius, then it\\\'s impossible to say because we never get given any other entry in relation to another),\\\'\\\'
We can\\\'t know the order the trolls fell in, of course, but we had to put them is \\\'\\\'some\\\'\\\' order. If Hussie ever elaborates on this,it will be edited. Also, you\\\'re wrong about the Condesce; the Handmaid escaped 612 years after Sgrub, but the Condesce arrived 612 \\\'\\\'sweeps\\\'\\\' after Sgrub. A sweep is a little over two years, so the date given for the Condesce\\\'s arrival is correct.
As mentioned before, there\\\'s generally a lot more context in the comic for event sequencing than you seem to have noticed.
\\\'\\\'the page is rife with jokes that really don\\\'t need to be there (Nick Cage), and the LOSAD and Hussie sections are irrelevant.\\\'\\\'
While naming Jade\\\'s Grandpa as Hass was an honest mistake on my part (I don\\\'t know where I picked up the idea that that was canon) Nick Cage\\\'s surviving the apocalypse is WordOfGod. Granted, he may have been joking, but everyone thought that he was joking about fedoraFreak, too...
Also, the Hussieverse is far from irrelevant. Have you even seen the latest updates? Does the phrase \\\"yellow yard\\\" ring a bell? Nor is LOSAD. BreakingTheFourthWall is a major plot point in Homestuck. These sections are not irrelevant, merely incomplete.
This is completely false. Hussie is very good about leaving contextual clues as to when flashbacks take place. Just because you haven\\\'t noticed them doesn\\\'t mean they aren\\\'t there.
\\\'\\\'Likewise if you insist that events past [S] Descend (or Jade\\\'s Entry) are easy to organize, I disagree strongly, because with exception to John, everyone has been doing things off panel and we\\\'re only seeing about half of their actions. For instance, if you follow John roughly from the time of his death on the Quest Bed to the Scratch, you could probably guess at some of Rose\\\'s actions happening at approximately the same time, but even trying to organize what Dave was doing or Jade is pretty much not going to happen.\\\'\\\'
Again, false. Aside from flashbacks and associated contextual clues, the characters frequently state outright what they\\\'ve been doing off-panel, or at least hint at it strongly enough that placing them in a timeline becomes possible. Or were you referring to the impossibility of doing a play-by-play of every move they make as I have been doing for John and Rose\\\'s entry sequences? I agree, that is quite impossible. Fortunately, it\\\'s also unnecessary. It\\\'s enough to note down the events in the comic in the chronological order that they occurred. That\\\'s what a timeline \\\'\\\'is\\\'\\\', after all.
\\\'\\\'isn\\\'t the point you\\\'ve been driving at is that it\\\'s only going to become even more intricate as you improve the page\\\'\\\'
You misunderstood me. I am not planning on making the timeline even more complicated. Quite the opposite, in fact. What I said was that I intend to complete the very detailed play-by-play sequences to ensure that nothing important is missed, then prune out the unnecessary details. I admit that this might be better undertaken in a word processor than on the wiki proper, though. Hindsight is 20-20, as they say.
\\\'\\\'There\\\'s no need to list every alchemization (considering most of them are one of gags),\\\'\\\'
Alchemization is very important overall, and given that Homestuck is incomplete, we cannot yet say if those apparent one-off gags will turn out to be significant. It would hardly be the first time.
\\\'\\\'Doomed Timelines make MUCH more logical sense to be mentioned when they branch off, the page as it actually stands is slightly out of order (Pre-Scratch Alternian Session is technically the earliest known event in the comic yet it\\\'s below the Humans),\\\'\\\'
Something you have to remember is that this isn\\\'t a single timeline; it\\\'s multiple intersecting timelines. It\\\'s explicitly stated in-comic (several times, in fact) that time in Sburb, the Furthest Ring, and Alternia don\\\'t really relate on a linear basis to time on Earth, and vice versa. So the top-to-bottom chronology really only applies within each individual timeline, as Alternia\\\'s past or future doesn\\\'t really have any bearing in Earth\\\'s, occasion intersections aside.
Doomed timelines are actually a bit of a problem. On the one hand, yes, it does make sense to have them branch off at the point where they, well, branch off. On the other hand, how to represent this without cluttering the page? Indentation already means further elaboration on a smaller time period within a larger timeline, and doomed timelines are explicitly separate timelines from the original. The current setup, where doomed timelines are briefly summarized at the end of their alpha timelines, is the compromise that was eventually settled on.
Perhaps there should be a note at the start of the page explaining all this. I thought it was self-evident, but if it\\\'s really that confusing...
\\\'\\\'how can you in any fashion know the order the Trolls fell in (save that Karkat fell last), the Condensce actually arrives at the exact time the Handmaid makes her escape attempt, it\\\'s impossible to organize the exact order of the entries of the Blue and Red teams after a point (Karkat, Terezi, Gamzee, Equius, then it\\\'s impossible to say because we never get given any other entry in relation to another),\\\'\\\'
We can\\\'t know the order the trolls fell in, of course, but we had to put them is \\\'\\\'some\\\'\\\' order. If Hussie ever elaborates on this,it will be edited. Also, you\\\'re wrong about the Condesce; the Handmaid escaped 612 years after Sgrub, but the Condesce arrived 612 \\\'\\\'sweeps\\\'\\\' after Sgrub. A sweep is a little over two years, so the date given for the Condesce\\\'s arrival is correct.
As mentioned before, there\\\'s generally a lot more context in the comic for event sequencing than you seem to have noticed.
\\\'\\\'the page is rife with jokes that really don\\\'t need to be there (Nick Cage), and the LOSAD and Hussie sections are irrelevant.\\\'\\\'
While naming Jade\\\'s Grandpa as Hass was an honest mistake on my part (I don\\\'t know where I picked up the idea that that was canon) Nick Cage\\\'s surviving the apocalypse is WordOfGod. Granted, he may have been joking, but everyone thought that he was joking about fedoraFreak, too...
Also, the Hussieverse is far from irrelevant. Have you even seen the latest updates? Does the phrase \\\"yellow yard\\\" ring a bell? Nor is LOSAD. BreakingTheFourthWall is a major plot point in Homestuck. These sections are not irrelevant, merely incomplete.
