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-->* The term \'\'\'Atheist\'\'\' is often used in place of \'\'\'Anti-theist\'\'\'. Atheist do not believe there is a god nor that there is definitely not one; Anti-theism is a conscious and deliberate opposition to theism, i.e. Anti-theists believe that there is no god. Nowadays atheist has taken the latter meaning and had its original meaning replaced by \'\'agnostic\'\'. The literal meaning of agnostic is \
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-->* The term \\\'\\\'\\\'Atheist\\\'\\\'\\\' is often used in place of \\\'\\\'\\\'Anti-theist\\\'\\\'\\\'. Atheist do not believe there is a god nor that there is definitely not one; Anti-theism is a conscious and deliberate opposition to theism, i.e. Anti-theists believe that there is no god. Nowadays atheist has taken the latter meaning and had its original meaning replaced by \\\'\\\'agnostic\\\'\\\'. The literal meaning of agnostic is \\\"not gnostic\\\", ie opposing the idea that mystic spiritual truths are knowable by humanity.
I do not think \\\"Less Pedantic\\\" means what they think it means.
The bit about Agnosticism is \\\'\\\'completely\\\'\\\' wrong, as [[http://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/PSEUDOSC/Agnostic.HTM Steven Dutch would tell you]]. Agnosticism means that a person does not have an opinion on the existence of the divine (whatever you wish to call it), because the case for and against its existence does not justify a decision. Agnostics may feel that the case is forever unanswerable, or may be answerable in the future--but that sort of opinion is a far, \\\'\\\'far\\\'\\\' cry from what Statalyzer tried to peg Agnosticism as.
Furthermore, Atheists themselves are hardly united in what they call their more {{Fundamentalist}} numbers. I\\\'ve heard people call it \\\"Hard Atheism\\\" and \\\"New Atheism\\\" in addition to \\\"anti-theism.\\\" While it\\\'s true that Anti-Theism \\\'\\\'is\\\'\\\' a term for fundie atheists, people are \\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\' wrong for not for simply referring to the extremist Atheists as Atheists--no more than, to give context, someone would be wrong for identifying Harold Camping as a Christian, even though he\\\'s declared all churches \\\"apostate\\\" and holds beliefs that differ wildly from most of the denominations.
I do not think \\\"Less Pedantic\\\" means what they think it means.
The bit about Agnosticism is \\\'\\\'completely\\\'\\\' wrong, as [[http://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/PSEUDOSC/Agnostic.HTM Steven Dutch would tell you]]. Agnosticism means that a person does not have an opinion on the existence of the divine (whatever you wish to call it), because the case for and against its existence does not justify a decision. Agnostics may feel that the case is forever unanswerable, or may be answerable in the future--but that sort of opinion is a far, \\\'\\\'far\\\'\\\' cry from what Statalyzer tried to peg Agnosticism as.
Furthermore, Atheists themselves are hardly united in what they call their more {{Fundamentalist}} numbers. I\\\'ve heard people call it \\\"Hard Atheism\\\" and \\\"New Atheism\\\" in addition to \\\"anti-theism.\\\" While it\\\'s true that Anti-Theism \\\'\\\'is\\\'\\\' a term for fundie atheists, people are \\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\' wrong for not for simply referring to the extremist Atheists as Atheists--no more than, to give context, someone would be wrong for identifying Harold Camping as a Christian, even though he\\\'s declared all churches \\\"apostate\\\" and holds beliefs that differ wildly from most of the denominations.
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-->* The term \\\'\\\'\\\'Atheist\\\'\\\'\\\' is often used in place of \\\'\\\'\\\'Anti-theist\\\'\\\'\\\'. Atheist do not believe there is a god nor that there is definitely not one; Anti-theism is a conscious and deliberate opposition to theism, i.e. Anti-theists believe that there is no god. Nowadays atheist has taken the latter meaning and had its original meaning replaced by \\\'\\\'agnostic\\\'\\\'. The literal meaning of agnostic is \\\"not gnostic\\\", ie opposing the idea that mystic spiritual truths are knowable by humanity.
I do not think \\\"Less Pedantic\\\" means what they think it means.
The bit about Agnosticism is \\\'\\\'completely\\\'\\\' wrong, as [[http://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/PSEUDOSC/Agnostic.HTM Steven Dutch would tell you]]. Agnosticism means that a person does not have an opinion on the existence of the divine (whatever you wish to call it), because the case for and against its existence does not justify a decision. Agnostics may feel that the case is forever unanswerable, or may be answerable in the future--but that sort of opinion is a far, \\\'\\\'far\\\'\\\' cry from what these two tropers tried to peg Agnosticism as.
Furthermore, Atheists themselves are hardly united in what they call their more {{Fundamentalist}} numbers. I\\\'ve heard people call it \\\"Hard Atheism\\\" and \\\"New Atheism\\\" in addition to \\\"anti-theism.\\\" While it\\\'s true that Anti-Theism \\\'\\\'is\\\'\\\' a term for fundie atheists, people are \\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\' wrong for not for simply referring to the extremist Atheists as Atheists--no more than, to give context, someone would be wrong for identifying Harold Camping as a Christian, even though he\\\'s declared all churches \\\"apostate\\\" and holds beliefs that differ wildly from most of the denominations.
I do not think \\\"Less Pedantic\\\" means what they think it means.
The bit about Agnosticism is \\\'\\\'completely\\\'\\\' wrong, as [[http://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/PSEUDOSC/Agnostic.HTM Steven Dutch would tell you]]. Agnosticism means that a person does not have an opinion on the existence of the divine (whatever you wish to call it), because the case for and against its existence does not justify a decision. Agnostics may feel that the case is forever unanswerable, or may be answerable in the future--but that sort of opinion is a far, \\\'\\\'far\\\'\\\' cry from what these two tropers tried to peg Agnosticism as.
Furthermore, Atheists themselves are hardly united in what they call their more {{Fundamentalist}} numbers. I\\\'ve heard people call it \\\"Hard Atheism\\\" and \\\"New Atheism\\\" in addition to \\\"anti-theism.\\\" While it\\\'s true that Anti-Theism \\\'\\\'is\\\'\\\' a term for fundie atheists, people are \\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\' wrong for not for simply referring to the extremist Atheists as Atheists--no more than, to give context, someone would be wrong for identifying Harold Camping as a Christian, even though he\\\'s declared all churches \\\"apostate\\\" and holds beliefs that differ wildly from most of the denominations.
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-->* The term \\\'\\\'\\\'Atheist\\\'\\\'\\\' is often used in place of \\\'\\\'\\\'Anti-theist\\\'\\\'\\\'. Atheist do not believe there is a god nor that there is definitely not one; Anti-theism is a conscious and deliberate opposition to theism, i.e. Anti-theists believe that there is no god. Nowadays atheist has taken the latter meaning and had its original meaning replaced by \\\'\\\'agnostic\\\'\\\'. The literal meaning of agnostic is \\\"not gnostic\\\", ie opposing the idea that mystic spiritual truths are knowable by humanity.
I do not think \\\"Less Pedantic\\\" means what they think it means.
The bit about Agnosticism is \\\'\\\'completely\\\'\\\' wrong, as [[http://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/PSEUDOSC/Agnostic.HTM Steven Dutch would tell you]]. Agnosticism means that a person does not have an opinion on the existence of the divine (whatever you wish to call it), because the case for and against its existence does not justify a decision. Agnostics feel that the case may be forever unanswerable, or could be answered in the future--but that sort of opinion is a far, \\\'\\\'far\\\'\\\' cry from what these two tropers tried to peg Agnosticism as.
Furthermore, Atheists themselves are hardly united in what they call their more {{Fundamentalist}} numbers. I\\\'ve heard people call it \\\"Hard Atheism\\\" and \\\"New Atheism\\\" in addition to \\\"anti-theism.\\\" While it\\\'s true that Anti-Theism \\\'\\\'is\\\'\\\' a term for fundie atheists, people are \\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\' wrong for not for simply referring to the extremist Atheists as Atheists--no more than, to give context, someone would be wrong for identifying Harold Camping as a Christian, even though he\\\'s declared all churches \\\"apostate\\\" and holds beliefs that differ wildly from most of the denominations.
I do not think \\\"Less Pedantic\\\" means what they think it means.
The bit about Agnosticism is \\\'\\\'completely\\\'\\\' wrong, as [[http://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/PSEUDOSC/Agnostic.HTM Steven Dutch would tell you]]. Agnosticism means that a person does not have an opinion on the existence of the divine (whatever you wish to call it), because the case for and against its existence does not justify a decision. Agnostics feel that the case may be forever unanswerable, or could be answered in the future--but that sort of opinion is a far, \\\'\\\'far\\\'\\\' cry from what these two tropers tried to peg Agnosticism as.
Furthermore, Atheists themselves are hardly united in what they call their more {{Fundamentalist}} numbers. I\\\'ve heard people call it \\\"Hard Atheism\\\" and \\\"New Atheism\\\" in addition to \\\"anti-theism.\\\" While it\\\'s true that Anti-Theism \\\'\\\'is\\\'\\\' a term for fundie atheists, people are \\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\' wrong for not for simply referring to the extremist Atheists as Atheists--no more than, to give context, someone would be wrong for identifying Harold Camping as a Christian, even though he\\\'s declared all churches \\\"apostate\\\" and holds beliefs that differ wildly from most of the denominations.
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-->* The term \\\'\\\'\\\'Atheist\\\'\\\'\\\' is often used in place of \\\'\\\'\\\'Anti-theist\\\'\\\'\\\'. Atheist do not believe there is a god nor that there is definitely not one; Anti-theism is a conscious and deliberate opposition to theism, i.e. Anti-theists believe that there is no god. Nowadays atheist has taken the latter meaning and had its original meaning replaced by \\\'\\\'agnostic\\\'\\\'. The literal meaning of agnostic is \\\"not gnostic\\\", ie opposing the idea that mystic spiritual truths are knowable by humanity.
I do not think \\\"Less Pedantic\\\" means what they think it means.
The bit about Agnosticism is \\\'\\\'completely\\\'\\\' wrong, as [[http://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/PSEUDOSC/Agnostic.HTM Steven Dutch would tell you]]. Agnosticism means that a person does not have an opinion on the existence of God, because the case for and against His existence does not justify a decision. Agnostics feel that the case may be forever unanswerable, or could be answered in the future--but that sort of opinion is a far, \\\'\\\'far\\\'\\\' cry from what these two tropers tried to peg Agnosticism as.
Furthermore, Atheists themselves are hardly united in what they call their more {{Fundamentalist}} numbers. I\\\'ve heard people call it \\\"Hard Atheism\\\" and \\\"New Atheism\\\" in addition to \\\"anti-theism.\\\" While it\\\'s true that Anti-Theism \\\'\\\'is\\\'\\\' a term for fundie atheists, people are \\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\' wrong for not for simply referring to the extremist Atheists as Atheists--no more than, to give context, someone would be wrong for identifying Harold Camping as a Christian, even though he\\\'s declared all churches \\\"apostate\\\" and holds beliefs that differ wildly from most of the denominations.
I do not think \\\"Less Pedantic\\\" means what they think it means.
The bit about Agnosticism is \\\'\\\'completely\\\'\\\' wrong, as [[http://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/PSEUDOSC/Agnostic.HTM Steven Dutch would tell you]]. Agnosticism means that a person does not have an opinion on the existence of God, because the case for and against His existence does not justify a decision. Agnostics feel that the case may be forever unanswerable, or could be answered in the future--but that sort of opinion is a far, \\\'\\\'far\\\'\\\' cry from what these two tropers tried to peg Agnosticism as.
Furthermore, Atheists themselves are hardly united in what they call their more {{Fundamentalist}} numbers. I\\\'ve heard people call it \\\"Hard Atheism\\\" and \\\"New Atheism\\\" in addition to \\\"anti-theism.\\\" While it\\\'s true that Anti-Theism \\\'\\\'is\\\'\\\' a term for fundie atheists, people are \\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\' wrong for not for simply referring to the extremist Atheists as Atheists--no more than, to give context, someone would be wrong for identifying Harold Camping as a Christian, even though he\\\'s declared all churches \\\"apostate\\\" and holds beliefs that differ wildly from most of the denominations.
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* The term \'\'\'Atheist\'\'\' is often used in place of \'\'\'Anti-theist\'\'\'. Atheist do not believe there is a god nor that there is definitely not one; Anti-theism is a conscious and deliberate opposition to theism, i.e. Anti-theists believe that there is no god. Nowadays atheist has taken the latter meaning and had its original meaning replaced by \'\'agnostic\'\'. The literal meaning of agnostic is \
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-->* The term \\\'\\\'\\\'Atheist\\\'\\\'\\\' is often used in place of \\\'\\\'\\\'Anti-theist\\\'\\\'\\\'. Atheist do not believe there is a god but have no inherent opposition to the idea; Anti-theism is a conscious and deliberate opposition to theism, i.e. Anti-theists believe that there is no god
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-->* The term \\\'\\\'\\\'Atheist\\\'\\\'\\\' is often used in place of \\\'\\\'\\\'Anti-theist\\\'\\\'\\\'. Atheist do not believe there is a god nor that there is definitely not one; Anti-theism is a conscious and deliberate opposition to theism, i.e. Anti-theists believe that there is no god. Nowadays atheist has taken the latter meaning and had its original meaning replaced by \\\'\\\'agnostic\\\'\\\'. The literal meaning of agnostic is \\\"not gnostic\\\", ie opposing the idea that mystic spiritual truths are knowable by humanity.
I do not think \\\"Less Pedantic\\\" means what they think it means.
The bit about agnosticism is \\\'\\\'completely\\\'\\\' wrong, as [[http://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/PSEUDOSC/Agnostic.HTM Steven Dutch would tell you]]. Agnosticism means that a person does not have an opinion on the existence of God, because the case for and against His existence does not justify a decision. Agnostics feel that the case may be forever unanswerable, or could be answered in the future--but that sort of opinion is a far, \\\'\\\'far\\\'\\\' cry from what these two tropers tried to peg Agnosticism as.
Furthermore, Atheists themselves are hardly united in what they call their more {{Fundamentalist}} numbers. I\\\'ve heard people call it \\\"Hard Atheism\\\" and \\\"New Atheism\\\" in addition to \\\"anti-theism.\\\" While it\\\'s true that Anti-Theism \\\'\\\'is\\\'\\\' a term for fundie atheists, people are \\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\' wrong for not for simply referring to the extremist Atheists as Atheists--no more than, to give context, someone would be wrong for identifying Harold Camping as a Christian, even though he\\\'s declared all churches \\\"apostate\\\" and holds beliefs that differ wildly from most of the denominations.
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-->* The term \\\'\\\'\\\'Atheist\\\'\\\'\\\' is often used in place of \\\'\\\'\\\'Anti-theist\\\'\\\'\\\'. Atheist do not believe there is a god but have no inherent opposition to the idea; Anti-theism is a conscious and deliberate opposition to theism, i.e. Anti-theists believe that there is no god
-->1st Nov \\\'11 1:47:23 AM \\\'\\\'\\\'Statalyzer\\\'\\\'\\\'
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-->* The term \\\'\\\'\\\'Atheist\\\'\\\'\\\' is often used in place of \\\'\\\'\\\'Anti-theist\\\'\\\'\\\'. Atheist do not believe there is a god nor that there is definitely not one; Anti-theism is a conscious and deliberate opposition to theism, i.e. Anti-theists believe that there is no god. Nowadays atheist has taken the latter meaning and had its original meaning replaced by \\\'\\\'agnostic\\\'\\\'. The literal meaning of agnostic is \\\"not gnostic\\\", ie opposing the idea that mystic spiritual truths are knowable by humanity.
I do not think \\\"Less Pedantic\\\" means what they think it means.
The bit about agnosticism is \\\'\\\'completely\\\'\\\' wrong, as [[http://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/PSEUDOSC/Agnostic.HTM Steven Dutch would tell you]]. Agnosticism means that a person does not have an opinion on the existence of God, because the case for and against His existence does not justify a decision. Agnostics feel that the case may be forever unanswerable, or could be answered in the future--but that sort of opinion is a far, \\\'\\\'far\\\'\\\' cry from what these two tropers tried to peg Agnosticism as.
Furthermore, Atheists themselves are hardly united in what they call their more {{Fundamentalist}} numbers. I\\\'ve heard people call it \\\"Hard Atheism\\\" and \\\"New Atheism\\\" in addition to \\\"anti-theism.\\\" While it\\\'s true that Anti-Theism \\\'\\\'is\\\'\\\' a term for fundie atheists, people are \\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\' wrong for not for simply referring to the extremist Atheists as Atheists--no more than, to give context, someone would be wrong for identifying Harold Camping as a Christian, even though he\\\'s declared all churches \\\"apostate\\\" and holds beliefs that differ wildly from most of the denominations.
