Discussion History Monster / Pokemon

Okay, I know that Cipher is insanely evil and the organization as a whole is a CompleteMonster but I\\\'d just like to ask how much can we really say their administators qualify for this trope? We barley get to know them outside of a few confrontations where they\\\'re doing evil stuff so we don\\\'t \\\'\\\'know\\\'\\\' if they have any freudian excuse or qualities that could possibly redeem them. Ein, Nascour, and Evice from the first game seem to fit the bill 100%. Lovrina and Greevil are VERY likely contenders too but the latter \\\'\\\'did\\\'\\\' give up at the end (even admitting he was wrong) and again, we don\\\'t know too much about the former other than she\\\'s psycho (and even then she doesn\\\'t strike me as \\\"the biggest one in the whole organization\\\": that would probably be her predecessor, Ein). And I guess Ardos \\\'\\\'could\\\'\\\' qualify too. But Ghetsis probably outdoes most of them in terms of hateable evilness. Not saying they don\\\'t belong here but we gotta watch what we say and make sure that it\\\'s accurate. I agree that all the ones listed here are the most evil and monsterous but I\\\'m adding Snattle too \\\'cause even if he\\\'s a StrawLoser, a guy who locks up a town population underground for his own selfish plan is pretty damn despicable.

Okay, I know that Cipher is insanely evil and the organization as a whole is a CompleteMonster but I\\\'d just like to ask how much can we really say their administators qualify for this trope? We barley get to know them outside of a few confrontations where they\\\'re doing evil stuff so we don\\\'t \\\'\\\'know\\\'\\\' if they have any freudian excuse or qualities that could possibly redeem them. Ein, Nascour, and Evice from the first games seem to fit the bill 100%. Lovrina and Greevil are VERY likely contenders too but the latter \\\'\\\'did\\\'\\\' give up at the end (even admitting he was wrong) and again, we don\\\'t know too much about the former other than she\\\'s psycho (and even then she doesn\\\'t strike me as \\\"the biggest one in the whole organization\\\": that would probably be her predecessor, Ein). And I guess Ardos \\\'\\\'could\\\'\\\' qualify too. But Ghetsis probably outdoes most of them in terms of hateable evilness. Not saying they don\\\'t belong here but we gotta watch what we say and make sure that it\\\'s accurate. I agree that all the ones listed here are the most evil and monsterous but I\\\'m adding Snattle too \\\'cause even if he\\\'s a StrawLoser, a guy who locks up a town population underground for his own selfish plan is pretty damn despicable.

Okay, I know that Cipher is insanely evil and the organization as a whole is a CompleteMonster but how much can we really say their administators qualify for this trope? We barley get to know them outside of a few confrontations where they\\\'re doing evil stuff so we don\\\'t know if they have any freudian excuse or qualities that could possibly redeem them. Ein, Nascour, and Evice from the first games seem to fit the bill 100%. Lovrina and Greevil are VERY likely contenders too but the latter \\\'\\\'did\\\'\\\' give up at the end and again, we don\\\'t know too much about the former other than she\\\'s psycho (and even then she doesn\\\'t strike me as \\\"the biggest one in the whole organization\\\": that would probably be her predecessor, Ein). And I guess Ardos could qualify too. But Ghetsis probably outdoes most of them in terms of hateable evilness. Not saying they don\\\'t belong here but we gotta watch what we say and make sure that it\\\'s accurate. I agree that all the ones listed here are the most evil and monsterous but I\\\'m adding Snattle too \\\'cause even if he\\\'s a StrawLoser, a guy who locks up a town population underground for his own selfish plan is pretty damn despicable.

Okay, I know that Cipher is insanely evil and the organization as a whole is a CompleteMonster but how much can we really say their administators qualify for this trope? We barley get to know them outside of a few confrontations where they\\\'re doing evil stuff so we don\\\'t know if they have any freudian excuse or qualities that could possibly redeem them. Ein, Nascour, and Evice from the first games seem to fit the bill 100%. Lovrina and Greevil are VERY likely contenders too but the latter \\\'\\\'did\\\'\\\' give up at the end and again, we don\\\'t know too much about the former other than she\\\'s psycho (and even then she doesn\\\'t strike me as \\\"the biggest one in the whole organization\\\": that would probably be her predecessor, Ein). And I guess Ardos could qualify too. But Ghetsis probably outdoes most of them in terms of hateable evilness. Not saying they don\\\'t belong here but we gotta watch what we say and make sure that it\\\'s accurate. I agree that the ones listed are the most evil but I\\\'m adding Snattle too \\\'cause even if he\\\'s a StrawLoser, a guy who locks up a town population underground for his own selfish plan is pretty damn despicable.

Okay, I know that Cipher is despicable and the organization as a whole is a CompleteMonster but how much can we really say their administators qualify for this trope? We barley get to know them outside of a few confrontations where they\\\'re doing evil stuff so we don\\\'t know if they have any freudian excuse or qualities that could possibly redeem them. Ein, Nascour, and Evice from the first games seem to fit the bill 100%. Lovrina and Greevil are VERY likely contenders too but the latter \\\'\\\'did\\\'\\\' give up at the end and again, we don\\\'t know too much about the former other than she\\\'s psycho (and even then she doesn\\\'t strike me as \\\"the biggest one in the whole organization\\\": that would probably be her predecessor, Ein). And I guess Ardos could qualify too. But Ghetsis probably outdoes most of them in terms of hateable evilness. Not saying they don\\\'t belong here but we gotta watch what we say and make sure that it\\\'s accurate. I agree that the ones listed are the most evil but I\\\'m adding Snattle too \\\'cause even if he\\\'s a StrawLoser, a guy who locks up a town population underground for his own selfish plan is pretty damn despicable.

Okay, I know that Cipher is despicable and the organization as a whole is a CompleteMonster but how much can we really say their administators qualify for this trope? We barley get to know them outside of a few confrontations where they\\\'re doing evil stuff and really, only Ein, Nascour, and Evice from the first games seem to fit the bill 100%. Lovrina and Greevil are debatable but the latter \\\'\\\'did\\\'\\\' give up at the end and again, we don\\\'t know too much about the former other than she\\\'s psycho (and even then she doesn\\\'t strike me as \\\"the biggest one in the whole organization.\\\"). I guess Ardos could qualify too. But Ghetsis probably outdoes any of them in terms of hateable evilness. Not saying they don\\\'t belong here but we gotta watch what we say and make sure that it\\\'s accurate. I agree that the ones listed are the most evil but I\\\'m adding Snattle too \\\'cause even if he\\\'s a StrawLoser, a guy who locks up a town population underground for his own selfish plan is pretty damn despicable.

Okay, I know that Cipher is despicable and the organization as a whole is a CompleteMonster but how much can we really say their administators qualify for this trope? We barley get to know them outside of a few confrontations where they\\\'re doing evil stuff and really, only Ein, Nascour, and Evice from the first games seem to fit the bill 100%. Lovrina and Greevil are debatable but the latter \\\'\\\'did\\\'\\\' give up at the end and again, we don\\\'t know too much about the former other than she\\\'s psycho (and even then she doesn\\\'t strike me as \\\"the biggest one in the whole organization.\\\"). I guess Ardos could qualify too. But Ghetsis probably outdoes any of them in terms of hateable evilness. Not saying they don\\\'t belong here but we gotta watch what we say and make sure that it\\\'s accurate.

Okay, I know that Cipher is despicable and the organization as a whole is a CompleteMonster but how much can we really say their administators qualify for this trope? We barley get to know them outside of a few confrontations where they\\\'re doing evil stuff and really, only Ein, Nascour, and Evice from the first games seem to fit the bill 100%. Lovrina and Greevil are debatable but the latter \\\'\\\'did\\\'\\\' give up at the end and again, we don\\\'t know too much about the former other than she\\\'s psycho (and even then she doesn\\\'t strike me as \\\"the biggest one in the whole organization.\\\"). And Ghetsis probably outdoes any of them in terms of hateable evilness. Not saying they don\\\'t belong here but we gotta watch what we say and make sure that it\\\'s accurate.