Discussion History Characters / EldenRingOuterGods

The Fingers are spending the \\\'\\\'entire game\\\'\\\' doing things of their own initiative with no communication with their master. Only a Logic Bomb like \\\"the Erdtree is sealed\\\" sets them off. The obvious implication is that, if they were not given such a direct and obvious shock to the point that a conflict was undeniable, they\\\'d have just continued on ignorant to the Greater Will\\\'s intent. And since that sign, despite what the Fingers might think, \\\'\\\'wasn\\\'t even from the Greater Will\\\'\\\' (the Erdtree is closed by Radagon\\\'s seal), that just further demonstrates their ignorance. They\\\'re doing what they believe the Greater Will wants, just like other characters who are opposed to them like Morgott and Godrick.

I don\\\'t know where you\\\'re getting the \\\"item descriptions are in-universe propaganda\\\" bit from. The description is straightforwardly telling you that the Erdtree and ancient dragons can get along because they\\\'re both tinged with gold, i.e. the influence of the Greater Will. The older dragon\\\'s use of red lightning is almost certainly because a shade of red is associated with the crucible:

Crucible Hornshield: \\\"Greatshield of red-tinged gold carried by Crucible Knights.\\\"

Ordovis\\\'s Greatsword: \\\"This sword is imbued with an ancient holy essence. Its red tint exemplifies the nature of primordial gold, said to be close in nature to life itself.\\\"

Their lightning became more yellow gold later because so did the Golden Order (hence few people now use Crucible incantations), not because they started worshipping a different god. It ties them to the crucible, the primordial form of the Erdtree. Note that the crucible sigil that shows up when casting crucible spells has a red tint to it.

Also note what you \\\'\\\'don\\\'t\\\'\\\' find on descriptions of dragon incantations: a reference to a god. Or any implication that such a thing exists at all. Say that you ignore obvious signs like the noted similarity between Greater Will adherents and the dragons, the Elden Ring and primordial Erdtree being on engravings in Placidusax\\\'s temple, the priests of the temple being creations of the Greater Will, Placidusax breathing gold flames, and \\\'\\\'\\\'the leader of the dragons being an Elden Lord\\\'\\\'\\\', and conclude that the dragons had nothing to do with the Greater Will. That still wouldn\\\'t change that nowhere in the entire game is there a single piece of evidence for a dragon outer god. There\\\'s Placidusax\\\'s Marika-equivalent (神, not 外なる神) who almost certainly bore the Elden Ring, and that\\\'s it.

As for why only Placidusax has golden breath: because he\\\'s the Elden Lord. The Elden Lord is more pure in their \\\'god\\\' than the rest.

The Fingers are spending the \\\'\\\'entire game\\\'\\\' doing things of their own initiative with no communication with their master. Only a Logic Bomb like \\\"the Erdtree is sealed\\\" sets them off. The obvious implication is that, if they were not given such a direct and obvious shock to the point that a conflict was undeniable, they\\\'d have just continued on ignorant to the Greater Will\\\'s intent. And since that sign, despite what the Fingers might think, \\\'\\\'wasn\\\'t even from the Greater Will\\\'\\\' (the Erdtree is closed by Radagon\\\'s seal), that just further demonstrates their ignorance. They\\\'re doing what they believe the Greater Will wants, just like other characters who are opposed to them like Morgott and Godrick.

I don\\\'t know where you\\\'re getting the \\\"item descriptions are in-universe propaganda\\\" bit from. The description is straightforwardly telling you that the Erdtree and ancient dragons can get along because they\\\'re both tinged with gold, i.e. the influence of the Greater Will. The older dragon\\\'s use of red lightning is almost certainly because a shade of red is associated with the crucible:

Crucible Hornshield: \\\"Greatshield of red-tinged gold carried by Crucible Knights.\\\"

Ordovis\\\'s Greatsword: \\\"This sword is imbued with an ancient holy essence. Its red tint exemplifies the nature of primordial gold, said to be close in nature to life itself.\\\"

Their lightning became more yellow gold later because so did the Golden Order (hence few people now use Crucible incantations), not because they started worshipping a different god. It ties them to the crucible, the primordial form of the Erdtree. Note that the crucible sigil that shows up when casting crucible spells has a red tint to it.

Also note what you \\\'\\\'don\\\'t\\\'\\\' find on descriptions of dragon incantations: a reference to a god. Or any implication that such a thing exists at all. Say that you ignore obvious signs like the noted similarity between Greater Will adherents and the dragons, the Elden Ring and primordial Erdtree being on engravings in Placidusax\\\'s temple, the priests of the temple being creations of the Greater Will, Placidusax breathing gold flames, and \\\'\\\'\\\'the leader of the dragons being an Elden Lord\\\'\\\'\\\', and conclude that the dragons had nothing to do with the Greater Will. That still wouldn\\\'t change that nowhere in the entire game is there a single piece of evidence for a dragon outer god. There\\\'s Placidusax\\\'s Marika-equivalent (神, not 外なる神) who almost certainly bore the Elden Ring, and that\\\'s it.

As for why only Placidusax has golden breath: because he\\\'s the Elden Lord. The Elden Lord is more pure in their \\\'god\\\' than the rest.

The Fingers are spending the \\\'\\\'entire game\\\'\\\' doing things of their own initiative with no communication with their master. Only a Logic Bomb like \\\"the Erdtree is sealed\\\" sets them off. The obvious implication is that, if they were not given such a direct and obvious shock to the point that a conflict was undeniable, they\\\'d have just continued on ignorant to the Greater Will\\\'s intent. And since that sign, despite what the Fingers might think, \\\'\\\'wasn\\\'t even from the Greater Will\\\'\\\' (the Erdtree is closed by Radagon\\\'s seal), that just further demonstrates their ignorance. They\\\'re doing what they believe the Greater Will wants, just like other characters who are opposed to them like Morgott and Godrick.

I don\\\'t know where you\\\'re getting the \\\"item descriptions are in-universe propaganda\\\" bit from. The description is straightforwardly telling you that the Erdtree and ancient dragons can get along because they\\\'re both tinged with gold, i.e. the influence of the Greater Will. The older dragon\\\'s use of red lightning is almost certainly because a shade of red is associated with the crucible:

Crucible Hornshield: \\\"Greatshield of red-tinged gold carried by Crucible Knights.\\\"

Ordovis\\\'s Greatsword: \\\"This sword is imbued with an ancient holy essence. Its red tint exemplifies the nature of primordial gold, said to be close in nature to life itself.\\\"

Their lightning became more yellow gold later because so did the Golden Order (hence few people now use Crucible incantations), not because they started worshipping a different god. It ties them to the crucible, the primordial form of the Erdtree. Note that the crucible sigil that shows up when casting crucible spells has a red tint to it.

Also note what you \\\'\\\'don\\\'t\\\'\\\' find on descriptions of dragon incantations: a reference to a god. Or any implication that such a thing exists at all. Say that you ignore obvious signs like the noted similarity between Greater Will adherents and the dragon, the Elden Ring and primordial Erdtree being on engravings in Placidusax\\\'s temple, the priests of the temple being creations of the Greater Will, Placidusax breathing gold flames, and \\\'\\\'\\\'the leader of the dragons being an Elden Lord\\\'\\\'\\\', and conclude that the dragons had nothing to do with the Greater Will. That still wouldn\\\'t change that nowhere in the entire game is there a single piece of evidence for a dragon outer god. There\\\'s Placidusax\\\'s Marika-equivalent (神, not 外なる神) who almost certainly bore the Elden Ring, and that\\\'s it.

As for why only Placidusax has golden breath: because he\\\'s the Elden Lord. The Elden Lord is more pure in their \\\'god\\\' than the rest.

The Fingers are spending the \\\'\\\'entire game\\\'\\\' doing things of their own initiative with no communication with their master. Only a Logic Bomb like \\\"the Erdtree is sealed\\\" sets them off. The obvious implication is that, if they were not given such a direct and obvious shock to the point that a conflict was undeniable, they\\\'d have just continued on ignorant to the Greater Will\\\'s intent. And since that sign, despite what the Fingers might think, \\\'\\\'wasn\\\'t even from the Greater Will\\\'\\\' (the Erdtree is closed by Radagon\\\'s seal), that just further demonstrates their ignorance. They\\\'re doing what they believe the Greater Will wants, just like other characters who are opposed to them like Morgott and Godrick.

I don\\\'t know you\\\'re getting the \\\"item descriptions are in-universe propaganda\\\" bit from. The description is straightforwardly telling you that the Erdtree and ancient dragons can get along because they\\\'re both tinged with gold, i.e. the influence of the Greater Will. The older dragon\\\'s use of red lightning is almost certainly because a shade of red is associated with the crucible:

Crucible Hornshield: \\\"Greatshield of red-tinged gold carried by Crucible Knights.\\\"

Ordovis\\\'s Greatsword: \\\"This sword is imbued with an ancient holy essence. Its red tint exemplifies the nature of primordial gold, said to be close in nature to life itself.\\\"

Their lightning became more yellow gold later because so did the Golden Order (hence few people now use Crucible incantations), not because they started worshipping a different god. It ties them to the crucible, the primordial form of the Erdtree. Note that the crucible sigil that shows up when casting crucible spells has a red tint to it.

Also note what you \\\'\\\'don\\\'t\\\'\\\' find on descriptions of dragon incantations: a reference to a god. Or any implication that such a thing exists at all. Say that you ignore obvious signs like the noted similarity between Greater Will adherents and the dragon, the Elden Ring and primordial Erdtree being on engravings in Placidusax\\\'s temple, the priests of the temple being creations of the Greater Will, Placidusax breathing gold flames, and \\\'\\\'\\\'the leader of the dragons being an Elden Lord\\\'\\\'\\\', and conclude that the dragons had nothing to do with the Greater Will. That still wouldn\\\'t change that nowhere in the entire game is there a single piece of evidence for a dragon outer god. There\\\'s Placidusax\\\'s Marika-equivalent (神, not 外なる神) who almost certainly bore the Elden Ring, and that\\\'s it.

As for why only Placidusax has golden breath: because he\\\'s the Elden Lord. The Elden Lord is more pure in their \\\'god\\\' than the rest.

The Fingers are spending the \\\'\\\'entire game\\\'\\\' doing things of their own initiative with no communication with their master. Only a Logic Bomb like \\\"the Erdtree is sealed\\\" sets them off. The obvious implication is that, if they were not given such a direct and obvious shock to the point that a conflict was undeniable, they\\\'d have just continued on ignorant to the Greater Will\\\'s intent. And since that sign, despite what the Fingers might think, \\\'\\\'wasn\\\'t even from the Greater Will\\\'\\\' (the Erdtree is closed by Radagon\\\'s seal), that just further demonstrates their ignorance. They\\\'re doing what they believe the Greater Will wants, just like other characters who are opposed to them like Morgott and Godrick. That

I don\\\'t know you\\\'re getting the \\\"item descriptions are in-universe propaganda\\\" bit from. The description is straightforwardly telling you that the Erdtree and ancient dragons can get along because they\\\'re both tinged with gold, i.e. the influence of the Greater Will. The older dragon\\\'s use of red lightning is almost certainly because a shade of red is associated with the crucible:

Crucible Hornshield: \\\"Greatshield of red-tinged gold carried by Crucible Knights.\\\"

Ordovis\\\'s Greatsword: \\\"This sword is imbued with an ancient holy essence. Its red tint exemplifies the nature of primordial gold, said to be close in nature to life itself.\\\"

Their lightning became more yellow gold later because so did the Golden Order (hence few people now use Crucible incantations), not because they started worshipping a different god. It ties them to the crucible, the primordial form of the Erdtree. Note that the crucible sigil that shows up when casting crucible spells has a red tint to it.

Also note what you \\\'\\\'don\\\'t\\\'\\\' find on descriptions of dragon incantations: a reference to a god. Or any implication that such a thing exists at all. Say that you ignore obvious signs like the noted similarity between Greater Will adherents and the dragon, the Elden Ring and primordial Erdtree being on engravings in Placidusax\\\'s temple, the priests of the temple being creations of the Greater Will, Placidusax breathing gold flames, and \\\'\\\'\\\'the leader of the dragons being an Elden Lord\\\'\\\'\\\', and conclude that the dragons had nothing to do with the Greater Will. That still wouldn\\\'t change that nowhere in the entire game is there a single piece of evidence for a dragon outer god. There\\\'s Placidusax\\\'s Marika-equivalent (神, not 外なる神) who almost certainly bore the Elden Ring, and that\\\'s it.

As for why only Placidusax has golden breath: because he\\\'s the Elden Lord. The Elden Lord is more pure in their \\\'god\\\' than the rest.

The Fingers are spending the \\\'\\\'entire game\\\'\\\' doing things of their own initiative with no communication with their master. Only a Logic Bomb like \\\"the Erdtree is sealed\\\" sets them off. The obvious implication is that, if they were not given such a direct and obvious shock to the point that a conflict was undeniable, they\\\'d have just continued on ignorant to the Greater Will\\\'s intent. And since that sign, despite what the Fingers might think, \\\'\\\'wasn\\\'t even from the Greater Will\\\'\\\' (the Erdtree is closed by Radagon\\\'s seal), that just further demonstrates their ignorance. They\\\'re doing what they believe the Greater Will wants, just like other characters who are opposed to them like Morgott and Godrick. That

I don\\\'t know you\\\'re getting the \\\"item descriptions are in-universe propaganda\\\" bit from. The description is straightforwardly telling you that the Erdtree and ancient dragons can get along because they\\\'re both tinged with gold, i.e. the influence of the Greater Will. The older dragon\\\'s use of red lightning is almost certainly because a shade of red is associated with the crucible:

Crucible Hornshield: \\\"Greatshield of red-tinged gold carried by Crucible Knights.\\\"

Ordovis\\\'s Greatsword: \\\"This sword is imbued with an ancient holy essence. Its red tint exemplifies the nature of primordial gold, said to be close in nature to life itself.\\\"

Their lightning became brigold later because so did the Golden Order (hence few people now use Crucible incantations), not because they started worshipping a different god. It ties them to the crucible, the primordial form of the Erdtree. Note that the crucible sigil that shows up when casting crucible spells has a red tint to it.

Also note what you \\\'\\\'don\\\'t\\\'\\\' find on descriptions of dragon incantations: a reference to a god. Or any implication that such a thing exists at all. Say that you ignore obvious signs like the noted similarity between Greater Will adherents and the dragon, the Elden Ring and primordial Erdtree being on engravings in Placidusax\\\'s temple, the priests of the temple being creations of the Greater Will, Placidusax breathing gold flames, and \\\'\\\'\\\'the leader of the dragons being an Elden Lord\\\'\\\'\\\', and conclude that the dragons had nothing to do with the Greater Will. That still wouldn\\\'t change that nowhere in the entire game is there a single piece of evidence for a dragon outer god. There\\\'s Placidusax\\\'s Marika-equivalent (神, not 外なる神) who almost certainly bore the Elden Ring, and that\\\'s it.

As for why only Placidusax has golden breath: because he\\\'s the Elden Lord. The Elden Lord is more pure in their \\\'god\\\' than the rest.

The Fingers are spending the \\\'\\\'entire game\\\'\\\' doing things of their own initiative with no communication with their master. Only a Logic Bomb like \\\"the Erdtree is sealed\\\" sets them off. The obvious implication is that, if they were not given such a direct and obvious shock to the point that a conflict was undeniable, they\\\'d have just continued on ignorant to the Greater Will\\\'s intent. And since that sign, despite what the Fingers might think, \\\'\\\'wasn\\\'t even from the Greater Will\\\'\\\' (the Erdtree is closed by Radagon\\\'s seal), that just further demonstrates their ignorance. They\\\'re doing what they believe the Greater Will wants, just like other characters who are opposed to them like Morgott and Godrick. That

I don\\\'t know you\\\'re getting the \\\"item descriptions are in-universe propaganda\\\" bit from. The description is straightforwardly telling you that the Erdtree and ancient dragons can get along because they\\\'re both tinged with gold, i.e. the influence of the Greater Will. The older dragon\\\'s use of red lightning is almost certainly because a shade of red is associated with the Crucible, the primordial form of the Erdtree that the dragons were associated with:

Crucible Hornshield: \\\"Greatshield of red-tinged gold carried by Crucible Knights.\\\"

Ordovis\\\'s Greatsword: \\\"This sword is imbued with an ancient holy essence. Its red tint exemplifies the nature of primordial gold, said to be close in nature to life itself.\\\"

Their lightning became brigold later because so did the Golden Order (hence few people now use Crucible incantations), not because they started worshipping a different god. It ties them to the crucible, the primordial form of the Erdtree. Note that the crucible sigil that shows up when casting crucible spells has a red tint to it.

Also note what you \\\'\\\'don\\\'t\\\'\\\' find on descriptions of dragon incantations: a reference to a god. Or any implication that such a thing exists at all. Say that you ignore obvious signs like the noted similarity between Greater Will adherents and the dragon, the Elden Ring and primordial Erdtree being on engravings in Placidusax\\\'s temple, the priests of the temple being creations of the Greater Will, Placidusax breathing gold flames, and \\\'\\\'\\\'the leader of the dragons being an Elden Lord\\\'\\\'\\\', and conclude that the dragons had nothing to do with the Greater Will. That still wouldn\\\'t change that nowhere in the entire game is there a single piece of evidence for a dragon outer god. There\\\'s Placidusax\\\'s Marika-equivalent (神, not 外なる神) who almost certainly bore the Elden Ring, and that\\\'s it.

As for why only Placidusax has golden breath: because he\\\'s the Elden Lord. The Elden Lord is more pure in their \\\'god\\\' than the rest.

The Fingers are spending the \\\'\\\'entire game\\\'\\\' doing things of their own initiative with no communication with their master. Only a Logic Bomb like \\\"the Erdtree is sealed\\\" sets them off. The obvious implication is that, if they were not given such a direct and obvious shock to the point that a conflict was undeniable, they\\\'d have just continued on ignorant to the Greater Will\\\'s intent. And since that sign, despite what the Fingers might think, \\\'\\\'wasn\\\'t even from the Greater Will\\\'\\\' (the Erdtree is closed by Radagon\\\'s seal), that just further demonstrates their ignorance. They\\\'re doing what they believe the Greater Will wants, just like other characters who are opposed to them like Morgott and Godrick. That

I don\\\'t know you\\\'re getting the \\\"item descriptions are in-universe propaganda\\\" bit from. The description is straightforwardly telling you that the Erdtree and ancient dragons can get along because they\\\'re both tinged with gold, i.e. the influence of the Greater Will. The older dragon\\\'s use of red lightning is almost certainly because a shade of red is associated with the Crucible, the primordial form of the Erdtree that the dragons were associated with:

Crucible Hornshield: \\\"Greatshield of red-tinged gold carried by Crucible Knights.\\\"

Ordovis\\\'s Greatsword: \\\"This sword is imbued with an ancient holy essence. Its red tint exemplifies the nature of primordial gold, said to be close in nature to life itself.\\\"

Their lightning became purer gold later because so did the Golden Order (hence few people now use Crucible incantations), not because they started worshipping a different god. It ties them to the crucible, the primordial form of the Erdtree. Note that the crucible sigil that shows up when casting crucible spells has a red tint to it.

Also note what you \\\'\\\'don\\\'t\\\'\\\' find on descriptions of dragon incantations: a reference to a god. Or any implication that such a thing exists at all. Say that you ignore obvious signs like the noted similarity between Greater Will adherents and the dragon, the Elden Ring and primordial Erdtree being on engravings in Placidusax\\\'s temple, the priests of the temple being creations of the Greater Will, Placidusax breathing gold flames, and \\\'\\\'\\\'the leader of the dragons being an Elden Lord\\\'\\\'\\\', and conclude that the dragons had nothing to do with the Greater Will. That still wouldn\\\'t change that nowhere in the entire game is there a single piece of evidence for a dragon outer god. There\\\'s Placidusax\\\'s Marika-equivalent (神, not 外なる神) who almost certainly bore the Elden Ring, and that\\\'s it.

As for why only Placidusax has golden breath: because he\\\'s the Elden Lord. The Elden Lord is more pure in their \\\'god\\\' than the rest.

The Fingers are spending the \\\'\\\'entire game\\\'\\\' doing things of their own initiative with no communication with their master. Only a Logic Bomb like \\\"the Erdtree is sealed\\\" sets them off. The obvious implication is that, if they were not given such a direct and obvious shock to the point that a conflict was undeniable, they\\\'d have just continued on ignorant to the Greater Will\\\'s intent. And since that sign, despite what the Fingers might think, \\\'\\\'wasn\\\'t even from the Greater Will\\\'\\\' (the Erdtree is closed by Radagon\\\'s seal), that just further demonstrates their ignorance. They\\\'re doing what they believe the Greater Will wants, just like other characters who are opposed to them like Morgott and Godrick. That

I don\\\'t know you\\\'re getting the \\\"item descriptions are in-universe propaganda\\\" bit from. The description is straightforwardly telling you that the Erdtree and ancient dragons can get along because they\\\'re both tinged with gold, i.e. the influence of the Greater Will. The older dragon lighting is red because \\\'\\\'\\\'so was primordial gold\\\'\\\'\\\'. A shade of red is associated with the Crucible, the primordial form of the Erdtree which the dragons used:

Crucible Hornshield: \\\"Greatshield of red-tinged gold carried by Crucible Knights.\\\"

Ordovis\\\'s Greatsword: \\\"This sword is imbued with an ancient holy essence. Its red tint exemplifies the nature of primordial gold, said to be close in nature to life itself.\\\"

Their lightning became purer gold later because so did the Golden Order (hence few people now use Crucible incantations), not because they started worshipping a different god. It ties them to the crucible, the primordial form of the Erdtree. Note that the crucible sigil that shows up when casting crucible spells has a red tint to it.

Also note what you \\\'\\\'don\\\'t\\\'\\\' find on descriptions of dragon incantations: a reference to a god. Or any implication that such a thing exists at all. Say that you ignore obvious signs like the noted similarity between Greater Will adherents and the dragon, the Elden Ring and primordial Erdtree being on engravings in Placidusax\\\'s temple, the priests of the temple being creations of the Greater Will, Placidusax breathing gold flames, and \\\'\\\'\\\'the leader of the dragons being an Elden Lord\\\'\\\'\\\', and conclude that the dragons had nothing to do with the Greater Will. That still wouldn\\\'t change that nowhere in the entire game is there a single piece of evidence for a dragon outer god. There\\\'s Placidusax\\\'s Marika-equivalent (神, not 外なる神) who almost certainly bore the Elden Ring, and that\\\'s it.

As for why only Placidusax has golden breath: because he\\\'s the Elden Lord. The Elden Lord is more pure in their \\\'god\\\' than the rest.

The Fingers are spending the \\\'\\\'entire game\\\'\\\' doing things of their own initiative with no communication with their master. Only a Logic Bomb like \\\"the Erdtree is sealed\\\" sets them off. The obvious implication is that, if they were not given such a direct and obvious shock to the point that a conflict was undeniable, they\\\'d have just continued on ignorant to the Greater Will\\\'s intent. And since that sign, despite what the Fingers might think, \\\'\\\'wasn\\\'t even from the Greater Will\\\'\\\' (the Erdtree is closed by Radagon\\\'s seal), that just further demonstrates their ignorance. They\\\'re doing what they believe the Greater Will wants, just like other characters who are opposed to them like Morgott and Godrick. That

I don\\\'t know you\\\'re getting the \\\"item descriptions are in-universe propaganda\\\" bit from. The description is straightforwardly telling you that the Erdtree and ancient dragons can get along because they\\\'re both tinged with gold, i.e. the influence of the Greater Will. The older dragon lighting is red because \\\'\\\'\\\'so was primordial gold\\\'\\\'\\\'. A shade of red is associated with the Crucible, the primordial form of the Erdtree which the dragons used:

Crucible Hornshield: \\\"Greatshield of red-tinged gold carried by Crucible Knights.\\\"

Ordovis\\\'s Greatsword: \\\"This sword is imbued with an ancient holy essence. Its red tint exemplifies the nature of primordial gold, said to be close in nature to life itself.\\\"

Their lightning became purer gold later because so did the Golden Order (hence few people now use Crucible incantations), not because they started worshipping a different god. It ties them to the crucible, the primordial form of the Erdtree. Note that the crucible sigil that shows up when casting crucible spells has a red tint to it.

Also note what you \\\'\\\'don\\\'t\\\'\\\' find on descriptions of dragon incantations: a reference to a god. Or any implication that such a thing exists at all.

As for why only Placidusax has golden breath: because he\\\'s the Elden Lord. The Elden Lord is more pure in their \\\'god\\\' than the rest.

With the new translations by [=YGOrganization=] out, should we replace \\\"Swordmaster of the Illusory Iris\\\" with \\\"Xiangjian Swordmaster of the Illusory iris\\\"?

Source: https://ygorganization.com/legendarychineseswordganggang/