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\\\"Fire Emblem Heroes features a yearly banner featuring brides and grooms. The Second Bridal Banner features Sanaki. Sanaki was 10 years old in Path of Radiance, and 13 in Radiant Dawn. She is unmistakably using her Path of Radiance hair design- the implications of a 10 year old getting married are... not ideal internationally.
Right, because no 10-year-old girl has ever played wedding. There\\\'s nothing in the PEGI or ESRB ratings about underage girls wearing wedding dresses (I could find ratings for any other territories)\\\"
I remember this character being really controversial when the banner came out at the time for that reason. I don\\\'t know what things are like where you are, but girls usually wore white dresses as bridesmaids (though that is dying out) and certain religious ceremonies that are not weddings, and not when they are playing pretend. While there are no radars that explicitly ban this, I think it\\\'ll get re-added if it got cut anyway. Either this should get moved to something like Squick, Fridge or YMMV (if it isn\\\'t mentioned already) or should be rephrased to say that it isn\\\'t explicitly verboten by radars.
\\\"Yuri and Dorothea\\\'s A-support is disturbingly frank about the former\\\'s past as an underage prostitute. While past titles have alluded to prostitution and sex work in passing, it\\\'s never been the focal point of a character\\\'s story arc. Yuri:Back then, the Imperial capital was swarming with disgusting nobles, all of them vying for your attention [and] love. Many were willing to compromise with an inferior substitute. If they couldn\\\'t have you, perhaps someone else was capable of singing just as sweetly.
This is explicitly allowed under PEGI 12 and ESRB T, and irrelevant to USK 12.\\\"
References to child prostitution and paedophilia counts as radar-passing due to the nature of the subject. I hope I won\\\'t need to elaborate on why.
\\\"There are some very disturbing implications regarding Marianne\\\'s absence from the second half of the game if you haven\\\'t recruited her, given there\\\'s an extra chair in her room...
One, this is explicitly allowed under PEGI 12, ESRB T, and USK 12. Two, you\\\'re reading too much into it. Three, fucking seriously? Marianne maybe possibly (but probably not) having committed suicide is \\\"getting crap past the radar\\\", but until recently there was an entire Radar/ subpage for Fates that never once mentioned Ryoma\\\'s graphic seppukku?\\\"
I agree that this should be cut (for a start, if she dies pre-timeskip her ending states that she disappeared along with a single horse which implies that she\\\'s still alive - all the pre-timeskip deaths can be seen here https://imgur.com/a/AIbFwFT). However, I think Ryoma\\\'s death should be added as even though it is not graphic it is disturbing (IMO I think some users have forgotten that crap can include violent content).
\\\"The ESRB doesn\\\'t care about alcohol use. USK is mostly concerned with children\\\\\\\'s psychology. PEGI does indeed have rules about drugs, including alcohol; the website says that alcohol requires a 16 rating, but Video Standards, one of the companies who assign the PEGI ratings, provides a clarification:
Although some use of tobacco and alcohol isn’t restricted to a particular age, the PEGI criteria prevents any kind of encouragement of these products being shown below the age of 16.
Balthus is 27 at the start and only mentions alcohol in passing, specifically noting that it wasn\\\'t served on account of most of the students being underage. His supports portray alcohol in a neutral manner at best, and the references to Manuela\\\'s drinking are consistently negative. Since the use of alcohol is not encouraged, indeed is somewhat discouraged, it does not violate PEGI\\\'s rules.\\\"
First of all, the link you posted redirected me to the site\\\'s homepage, and I googled \\\"video game standards alchohol\\\" and only found a bunch of journal articles. I did find this https://videostandards.org.uk/MzCms/ContentImage.ashx?cpath=000%5C000%5C948%5C941%5CRating+Drugs.pdf, which does back up what you say but is from 2014 and pretty vague. The example involving Manuela can be cut, but the one involving Balthus is more murky as there was an expectation that alcohol would be drunk at a celebration. Additionally, I think alcohol references can be added to \\\'\\\'Shadows of Valentia\\\'\\\' as Saber is introduced surrounded by various bottles, and Beer and Wine are items (albeit offered to shrines to grant a boost to stamina, though originally added to be consumed by older characters - its why all \\\'\\\'Shadows of Valentia\\\'\\\' characters have canon ages).
These are the ones that stood out to me, though I am talking from a PEGI viewpoint as it is in my region. Once we get these cleared up we can start with cutting the examples.
Right, because no 10-year-old girl has ever played wedding. There\\\'s nothing in the PEGI or ESRB ratings about underage girls wearing wedding dresses (I could find ratings for any other territories)\\\"
I remember this character being really controversial when the banner came out at the time for that reason. I don\\\'t know what things are like where you are, but girls usually wore white dresses as bridesmaids (though that is dying out) and certain religious ceremonies that are not weddings, and not when they are playing pretend. While there are no radars that explicitly ban this, I think it\\\'ll get re-added if it got cut anyway. Either this should get moved to something like Squick, Fridge or YMMV (if it isn\\\'t mentioned already) or should be rephrased to say that it isn\\\'t explicitly verboten by radars.
\\\"Yuri and Dorothea\\\'s A-support is disturbingly frank about the former\\\'s past as an underage prostitute. While past titles have alluded to prostitution and sex work in passing, it\\\'s never been the focal point of a character\\\'s story arc. Yuri:Back then, the Imperial capital was swarming with disgusting nobles, all of them vying for your attention [and] love. Many were willing to compromise with an inferior substitute. If they couldn\\\'t have you, perhaps someone else was capable of singing just as sweetly.
This is explicitly allowed under PEGI 12 and ESRB T, and irrelevant to USK 12.\\\"
References to child prostitution and paedophilia counts as radar-passing due to the nature of the subject. I hope I won\\\'t need to elaborate on why.
\\\"There are some very disturbing implications regarding Marianne\\\'s absence from the second half of the game if you haven\\\'t recruited her, given there\\\'s an extra chair in her room...
One, this is explicitly allowed under PEGI 12, ESRB T, and USK 12. Two, you\\\'re reading too much into it. Three, fucking seriously? Marianne maybe possibly (but probably not) having committed suicide is \\\"getting crap past the radar\\\", but until recently there was an entire Radar/ subpage for Fates that never once mentioned Ryoma\\\'s graphic seppukku?\\\"
I agree that this should be cut (for a start, if she dies pre-timeskip her ending states that she disappeared along with a single horse which implies that she\\\'s still alive - all the pre-timeskip deaths can be seen here https://imgur.com/a/AIbFwFT). However, I think Ryoma\\\'s death should be added as even though it is not graphic it is disturbing (IMO I think some users have forgotten that crap can include violent content).
\\\"The ESRB doesn\\\'t care about alcohol use. USK is mostly concerned with children\\\\\\\'s psychology. PEGI does indeed have rules about drugs, including alcohol; the website says that alcohol requires a 16 rating, but Video Standards, one of the companies who assign the PEGI ratings, provides a clarification:
Although some use of tobacco and alcohol isn’t restricted to a particular age, the PEGI criteria prevents any kind of encouragement of these products being shown below the age of 16.
Balthus is 27 at the start and only mentions alcohol in passing, specifically noting that it wasn\\\'t served on account of most of the students being underage. His supports portray alcohol in a neutral manner at best, and the references to Manuela\\\'s drinking are consistently negative. Since the use of alcohol is not encouraged, indeed is somewhat discouraged, it does not violate PEGI\\\'s rules.\\\"
First of all, the link you posted redirected me to the site\\\'s homepage, and I googled \\\"video game standards alchohol\\\" and only found a bunch of journal articles. I did find this https://videostandards.org.uk/MzCms/ContentImage.ashx?cpath=000%5C000%5C948%5C941%5CRating+Drugs.pdf, which does back up what you say but is from 2014 and pretty vague. The example involving Manuela can be cut, but the one involving Balthus is more murky as there was an expectation that alcohol would be drunk at a celebration. Additionally, I think alcohol references can be added to \\\'\\\'Shadows of Valentia\\\'\\\' as Saber is introduced surrounded by various bottles, and Beer and Wine are items (albeit offered to shrines to grant a boost to stamina, though originally added to be consumed by older characters - its why all \\\'\\\'Shadows of Valentia\\\'\\\' characters have canon ages).
These are the ones that stood out to me, though I am talking from a PEGI viewpoint as it is in my region. Once we get these cleared up we can start with cutting the examples.
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\\\"Fire Emblem Heroes features a yearly banner featuring brides and grooms. The Second Bridal Banner features Sanaki. Sanaki was 10 years old in Path of Radiance, and 13 in Radiant Dawn. She is unmistakably using her Path of Radiance hair design- the implications of a 10 year old getting married are... not ideal internationally.
Right, because no 10-year-old girl has ever played wedding. There\\\'s nothing in the PEGI or ESRB ratings about underage girls wearing wedding dresses (I could find ratings for any other territories)\\\"
I remember this character being really controversial when the banner came out at the time for that reason. I don\\\'t know what things are like where you are, but girls usually wore white dresses as bridesmaids (though that is dying out) and certain religious ceremonies that are not weddings, and not when they are playing pretend. While there are no radars that explicitly ban this, I think it\\\'ll get re-added if it got cut anyway. Either this should get moved to something like Squick, Fridge or YMMV (if it isn\\\'t mentioned already) or should be rephrased to say that it isn\\\'t explicitly verboten by radars.
\\\"Yuri and Dorothea\\\'s A-support is disturbingly frank about the former\\\'s past as an underage prostitute. While past titles have alluded to prostitution and sex work in passing, it\\\'s never been the focal point of a character\\\'s story arc. Yuri:Back then, the Imperial capital was swarming with disgusting nobles, all of them vying for your attention [and] love. Many were willing to compromise with an inferior substitute. If they couldn\\\'t have you, perhaps someone else was capable of singing just as sweetly.
This is explicitly allowed under PEGI 12 and ESRB T, and irrelevant to USK 12.\\\"
References to child prostitution and paedophilia counts as radar-passing due to the nature of the subject. I hope I won\\\'t need to elaborate on why.
\\\"There are some very disturbing implications regarding Marianne\\\'s absence from the second half of the game if you haven\\\'t recruited her, given there\\\'s an extra chair in her room...
One, this is explicitly allowed under PEGI 12, ESRB T, and USK 12. Two, you\\\'re reading too much into it. Three, fucking seriously? Marianne maybe possibly (but probably not) having committed suicide is \\\"getting crap past the radar\\\", but until recently there was an entire Radar/ subpage for Fates that never once mentioned Ryoma\\\'s graphic seppukku?\\\"
I agree that this should be cut (for a start, if she dies pre-timeskip her ending states that she disappeared along with a single horse which implies that she\\\'s still alive - all the pre-timeskip deaths can be seen here https://imgur.com/a/AIbFwFT). However, I think Ryoma\\\'s death should be added as even though it is not graphic it is disturbing (IMO I think some users have forgotten that crap can include violent content).
\\\"The ESRB doesn\\\'t care about alcohol use. USK is mostly concerned with children\\\\\\\'s psychology. PEGI does indeed have rules about drugs, including alcohol; the website says that alcohol requires a 16 rating, but Video Standards, one of the companies who assign the PEGI ratings, provides a clarification:
Although some use of tobacco and alcohol isn’t restricted to a particular age, the PEGI criteria prevents any kind of encouragement of these products being shown below the age of 16.
Balthus is 27 at the start and only mentions alcohol in passing, specifically noting that it wasn\\\'t served on account of most of the students being underage. His supports portray alcohol in a neutral manner at best, and the references to Manuela\\\'s drinking are consistently negative. Since the use of alcohol is not encouraged, indeed is somewhat discouraged, it does not violate PEGI\\\'s rules.\\\"
First of all, the link you posted redirected me to the site\\\'s homepage, and I googled \\\"video game standards alchohol\\\" and only found a bunch of journal articles. I did find this https://videostandards.org.uk/MzCms/ContentImage.ashx?cpath=000%5C000%5C948%5C941%5CRating+Drugs.pdf, which does back up what you say but is from 2014 and pretty vague. The example involving Manuela can be cut, but the one involving Balthus is more murky. Additionally, I think alcohol references can be added to \\\'\\\'Shadows of Valentia\\\'\\\' as Saber is introduced surrounded by various bottles, and Beer and Wine are items (albeit offered to shrines to grant a boost to stamina, though originally added to be consumed by older characters - its why all \\\'\\\'Shadows of Valentia\\\'\\\' characters have canon ages).
These are the ones that stood out to me, though I am talking from a PEGI viewpoint as it is in my region. Once we get these cleared up we can start with cutting the examples.
Right, because no 10-year-old girl has ever played wedding. There\\\'s nothing in the PEGI or ESRB ratings about underage girls wearing wedding dresses (I could find ratings for any other territories)\\\"
I remember this character being really controversial when the banner came out at the time for that reason. I don\\\'t know what things are like where you are, but girls usually wore white dresses as bridesmaids (though that is dying out) and certain religious ceremonies that are not weddings, and not when they are playing pretend. While there are no radars that explicitly ban this, I think it\\\'ll get re-added if it got cut anyway. Either this should get moved to something like Squick, Fridge or YMMV (if it isn\\\'t mentioned already) or should be rephrased to say that it isn\\\'t explicitly verboten by radars.
\\\"Yuri and Dorothea\\\'s A-support is disturbingly frank about the former\\\'s past as an underage prostitute. While past titles have alluded to prostitution and sex work in passing, it\\\'s never been the focal point of a character\\\'s story arc. Yuri:Back then, the Imperial capital was swarming with disgusting nobles, all of them vying for your attention [and] love. Many were willing to compromise with an inferior substitute. If they couldn\\\'t have you, perhaps someone else was capable of singing just as sweetly.
This is explicitly allowed under PEGI 12 and ESRB T, and irrelevant to USK 12.\\\"
References to child prostitution and paedophilia counts as radar-passing due to the nature of the subject. I hope I won\\\'t need to elaborate on why.
\\\"There are some very disturbing implications regarding Marianne\\\'s absence from the second half of the game if you haven\\\'t recruited her, given there\\\'s an extra chair in her room...
One, this is explicitly allowed under PEGI 12, ESRB T, and USK 12. Two, you\\\'re reading too much into it. Three, fucking seriously? Marianne maybe possibly (but probably not) having committed suicide is \\\"getting crap past the radar\\\", but until recently there was an entire Radar/ subpage for Fates that never once mentioned Ryoma\\\'s graphic seppukku?\\\"
I agree that this should be cut (for a start, if she dies pre-timeskip her ending states that she disappeared along with a single horse which implies that she\\\'s still alive - all the pre-timeskip deaths can be seen here https://imgur.com/a/AIbFwFT). However, I think Ryoma\\\'s death should be added as even though it is not graphic it is disturbing (IMO I think some users have forgotten that crap can include violent content).
\\\"The ESRB doesn\\\'t care about alcohol use. USK is mostly concerned with children\\\\\\\'s psychology. PEGI does indeed have rules about drugs, including alcohol; the website says that alcohol requires a 16 rating, but Video Standards, one of the companies who assign the PEGI ratings, provides a clarification:
Although some use of tobacco and alcohol isn’t restricted to a particular age, the PEGI criteria prevents any kind of encouragement of these products being shown below the age of 16.
Balthus is 27 at the start and only mentions alcohol in passing, specifically noting that it wasn\\\'t served on account of most of the students being underage. His supports portray alcohol in a neutral manner at best, and the references to Manuela\\\'s drinking are consistently negative. Since the use of alcohol is not encouraged, indeed is somewhat discouraged, it does not violate PEGI\\\'s rules.\\\"
First of all, the link you posted redirected me to the site\\\'s homepage, and I googled \\\"video game standards alchohol\\\" and only found a bunch of journal articles. I did find this https://videostandards.org.uk/MzCms/ContentImage.ashx?cpath=000%5C000%5C948%5C941%5CRating+Drugs.pdf, which does back up what you say but is from 2014 and pretty vague. The example involving Manuela can be cut, but the one involving Balthus is more murky. Additionally, I think alcohol references can be added to \\\'\\\'Shadows of Valentia\\\'\\\' as Saber is introduced surrounded by various bottles, and Beer and Wine are items (albeit offered to shrines to grant a boost to stamina, though originally added to be consumed by older characters - its why all \\\'\\\'Shadows of Valentia\\\'\\\' characters have canon ages).
These are the ones that stood out to me, though I am talking from a PEGI viewpoint as it is in my region. Once we get these cleared up we can start with cutting the examples.
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\\\"Fire Emblem Heroes features a yearly banner featuring brides and grooms. The Second Bridal Banner features Sanaki. Sanaki was 10 years old in Path of Radiance, and 13 in Radiant Dawn. She is unmistakably using her Path of Radiance hair design- the implications of a 10 year old getting married are... not ideal internationally.
Right, because no 10-year-old girl has ever played wedding. There\\\'s nothing in the PEGI or ESRB ratings about underage girls wearing wedding dresses (I could find ratings for any other territories)\\\"
I remember this character being really controversial when the banner came out at the time for that reason. I don\\\'t know what things are like where you are, but girls usually wore white dresses as bridesmaids (though that is dying out) and certain religious ceremonies that are not weddings, and not when they are playing pretend. While there are no radars that explicitly ban this, I think it\\\'ll get re-added if it got cut anyway. Either this should get moved to something like Squick, Fridge or YMMV (if it isn\\\'t mentioned already) or should be rephrased to say that it isn\\\'t explicitly verboten by radars.
\\\"Yuri and Dorothea\\\'s A-support is disturbingly frank about the former\\\'s past as an underage prostitute. While past titles have alluded to prostitution and sex work in passing, it\\\'s never been the focal point of a character\\\'s story arc. Yuri:Back then, the Imperial capital was swarming with disgusting nobles, all of them vying for your attention [and] love. Many were willing to compromise with an inferior substitute. If they couldn\\\'t have you, perhaps someone else was capable of singing just as sweetly.
This is explicitly allowed under PEGI 12 and ESRB T, and irrelevant to USK 12.\\\"
References to child prostitution and paedophilia counts as radar-passing due to the nature of the subject. I hope I won\\\'t need to elaborate on why.
\\\"There are some very disturbing implications regarding Marianne\\\'s absence from the second half of the game if you haven\\\'t recruited her, given there\\\'s an extra chair in her room...
One, this is explicitly allowed under PEGI 12, ESRB T, and USK 12. Two, you\\\'re reading too much into it. Three, fucking seriously? Marianne maybe possibly (but probably not) having committed suicide is \\\"getting crap past the radar\\\", but until recently there was an entire Radar/ subpage for Fates that never once mentioned Ryoma\\\'s graphic seppukku?\\\"
I agree that this should be cut (for a start, if she dies pre-timeskip her ending states that she disappeared along with a single horse which implies that she\\\'s still alive - all the pre-timeskip deaths can be seen here https://imgur.com/a/AIbFwFT). However, I think Ryoma\\\'s death should be added as even though it is not graphic it is disturbing (IMO I think some users have forgotten that crap can include violent content).
\\\"The ESRB doesn\\\'t care about alcohol use. USK is mostly concerned with children\\\\\\\'s psychology. PEGI does indeed have rules about drugs, including alcohol; the website says that alcohol requires a 16 rating, but Video Standards, one of the companies who assign the PEGI ratings, provides a clarification:
Although some use of tobacco and alcohol isn’t restricted to a particular age, the PEGI criteria prevents any kind of encouragement of these products being shown below the age of 16.
Balthus is 27 at the start and only mentions alcohol in passing, specifically noting that it wasn\\\'t served on account of most of the students being underage. His supports portray alcohol in a neutral manner at best, and the references to Manuela\\\'s drinking are consistently negative. Since the use of alcohol is not encouraged, indeed is somewhat discouraged, it does not violate PEGI\\\'s rules.\\\"
First of all, the link you posted redirected me to the site\\\'s homepage, and I googled \\\"video game standards alchohol\\\" and only found a bunch of journal articles. I did find this https://videostandards.org.uk/MzCms/ContentImage.ashx?cpath=000%5C000%5C948%5C941%5CRating+Drugs.pdf, which does back up what you say but is from 2014 and pretty vague. The example involving Manuela can be cut, but the one involving Balthus is more murky. Additionally, I think alcohol references can be added to \\\'\\\'Shadows of Valentia\\\'\\\' as Saber is introduced surrounded by various bottles, and Beer and Wine are items (albeit offered to shrines to grant a boost to stamina, though originally added to be consumed by older characters - its why all \\\'\\\'\\\'Shadows of Valentia\\\'\\\'\\\' characters have canon ages).
These are the ones that stood out to me, though I am talking from a PEGI viewpoint as it is in my region. Once we get these cleared up we can start with cutting the examples.
Right, because no 10-year-old girl has ever played wedding. There\\\'s nothing in the PEGI or ESRB ratings about underage girls wearing wedding dresses (I could find ratings for any other territories)\\\"
I remember this character being really controversial when the banner came out at the time for that reason. I don\\\'t know what things are like where you are, but girls usually wore white dresses as bridesmaids (though that is dying out) and certain religious ceremonies that are not weddings, and not when they are playing pretend. While there are no radars that explicitly ban this, I think it\\\'ll get re-added if it got cut anyway. Either this should get moved to something like Squick, Fridge or YMMV (if it isn\\\'t mentioned already) or should be rephrased to say that it isn\\\'t explicitly verboten by radars.
\\\"Yuri and Dorothea\\\'s A-support is disturbingly frank about the former\\\'s past as an underage prostitute. While past titles have alluded to prostitution and sex work in passing, it\\\'s never been the focal point of a character\\\'s story arc. Yuri:Back then, the Imperial capital was swarming with disgusting nobles, all of them vying for your attention [and] love. Many were willing to compromise with an inferior substitute. If they couldn\\\'t have you, perhaps someone else was capable of singing just as sweetly.
This is explicitly allowed under PEGI 12 and ESRB T, and irrelevant to USK 12.\\\"
References to child prostitution and paedophilia counts as radar-passing due to the nature of the subject. I hope I won\\\'t need to elaborate on why.
\\\"There are some very disturbing implications regarding Marianne\\\'s absence from the second half of the game if you haven\\\'t recruited her, given there\\\'s an extra chair in her room...
One, this is explicitly allowed under PEGI 12, ESRB T, and USK 12. Two, you\\\'re reading too much into it. Three, fucking seriously? Marianne maybe possibly (but probably not) having committed suicide is \\\"getting crap past the radar\\\", but until recently there was an entire Radar/ subpage for Fates that never once mentioned Ryoma\\\'s graphic seppukku?\\\"
I agree that this should be cut (for a start, if she dies pre-timeskip her ending states that she disappeared along with a single horse which implies that she\\\'s still alive - all the pre-timeskip deaths can be seen here https://imgur.com/a/AIbFwFT). However, I think Ryoma\\\'s death should be added as even though it is not graphic it is disturbing (IMO I think some users have forgotten that crap can include violent content).
\\\"The ESRB doesn\\\'t care about alcohol use. USK is mostly concerned with children\\\\\\\'s psychology. PEGI does indeed have rules about drugs, including alcohol; the website says that alcohol requires a 16 rating, but Video Standards, one of the companies who assign the PEGI ratings, provides a clarification:
Although some use of tobacco and alcohol isn’t restricted to a particular age, the PEGI criteria prevents any kind of encouragement of these products being shown below the age of 16.
Balthus is 27 at the start and only mentions alcohol in passing, specifically noting that it wasn\\\'t served on account of most of the students being underage. His supports portray alcohol in a neutral manner at best, and the references to Manuela\\\'s drinking are consistently negative. Since the use of alcohol is not encouraged, indeed is somewhat discouraged, it does not violate PEGI\\\'s rules.\\\"
First of all, the link you posted redirected me to the site\\\'s homepage, and I googled \\\"video game standards alchohol\\\" and only found a bunch of journal articles. I did find this https://videostandards.org.uk/MzCms/ContentImage.ashx?cpath=000%5C000%5C948%5C941%5CRating+Drugs.pdf, which does back up what you say but is from 2014 and pretty vague. The example involving Manuela can be cut, but the one involving Balthus is more murky. Additionally, I think alcohol references can be added to \\\'\\\'Shadows of Valentia\\\'\\\' as Saber is introduced surrounded by various bottles, and Beer and Wine are items (albeit offered to shrines to grant a boost to stamina, though originally added to be consumed by older characters - its why all \\\'\\\'\\\'Shadows of Valentia\\\'\\\'\\\' characters have canon ages).
These are the ones that stood out to me, though I am talking from a PEGI viewpoint as it is in my region. Once we get these cleared up we can start with cutting the examples.
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\\\"Fire Emblem Heroes features a yearly banner featuring brides and grooms. The Second Bridal Banner features Sanaki. Sanaki was 10 years old in Path of Radiance, and 13 in Radiant Dawn. She is unmistakably using her Path of Radiance hair design- the implications of a 10 year old getting married are... not ideal internationally.
Right, because no 10-year-old girl has ever played wedding. There\\\'s nothing in the PEGI or ESRB ratings about underage girls wearing wedding dresses (I could find ratings for any other territories)\\\"
I remember this character being really controversial when the banner came out at the time for that reason. I don\\\'t know what things are like where you are, but girls usually wore white dresses as bridesmaids (though that is dying out) and certain religious ceremonies that are not weddings, and not when they are playing pretend. While there are no radars that explicitly ban this, I think it\\\'ll get re-added if it got cut anyway. Either this should get moved to something like Squick, Fridge or YMMV (if it isn\\\'t mentioned already) or should be rephrased to say that it isn\\\'t explicitly verboten by radars.
\\\"Yuri and Dorothea\\\'s A-support is disturbingly frank about the former\\\'s past as an underage prostitute. While past titles have alluded to prostitution and sex work in passing, it\\\'s never been the focal point of a character\\\'s story arc. Yuri:Back then, the Imperial capital was swarming with disgusting nobles, all of them vying for your attention [and] love. Many were willing to compromise with an inferior substitute. If they couldn\\\'t have you, perhaps someone else was capable of singing just as sweetly.
This is explicitly allowed under PEGI 12 and ESRB T, and irrelevant to USK 12.\\\"
References to child prostitution and paedophilia counts as radar-passing due to the nature of the subject. I hope I won\\\'t need to elaborate on why.
\\\"There are some very disturbing implications regarding Marianne\\\'s absence from the second half of the game if you haven\\\'t recruited her, given there\\\'s an extra chair in her room...
One, this is explicitly allowed under PEGI 12, ESRB T, and USK 12. Two, you\\\'re reading too much into it. Three, fucking seriously? Marianne maybe possibly (but probably not) having committed suicide is \\\"getting crap past the radar\\\", but until recently there was an entire Radar/ subpage for Fates that never once mentioned Ryoma\\\'s graphic seppukku?\\\"
I agree that this should be cut (for a start, if she dies pre-timeskip her ending states that she disappeared along with a single horse which implies that she\\\'s still alive - all the pre-timeskip deaths can be seen here https://imgur.com/a/AIbFwFT). However, I think Ryoma\\\'s death should be added as even though it is not graphic it is disturbing (IMO I think some users have forgotten that crap can include violent content).
\\\"The ESRB doesn\\\'t care about alcohol use. USK is mostly concerned with children\\\\\\\'s psychology. PEGI does indeed have rules about drugs, including alcohol; the website says that alcohol requires a 16 rating, but Video Standards, one of the companies who assign the PEGI ratings, provides a clarification:
Although some use of tobacco and alcohol isn’t restricted to a particular age, the PEGI criteria prevents any kind of encouragement of these products being shown below the age of 16.
Balthus is 27 at the start and only mentions alcohol in passing, specifically noting that it wasn\\\'t served on account of most of the students being underage. His supports portray alcohol in a neutral manner at best, and the references to Manuela\\\'s drinking are consistently negative. Since the use of alcohol is not encouraged, indeed is somewhat discouraged, it does not violate PEGI\\\'s rules.\\\"
First of all, the link you posted redirected me to the site\\\'s homepage, and I googled \\\"video game standards alchohol\\\" and only found a bunch of journal articles. I did find this https://videostandards.org.uk/MzCms/ContentImage.ashx?cpath=000%5C000%5C948%5C941%5CRating+Drugs.pdf, which does back up what you say but is from 2014 and pretty vague. The example involving Manuela can be cut, but the one involving Balthus is more murky. Additionally, I think alcohol references can be added to \\\'\\\'Shadows of Valentia\\\'\\\' as Saber is introduced surrounded by various bottles, and Beer and Wine are items (albeit offered to shrines to grant a boost to stamina, though originally added to be consumed by older characters - its why all \\\'Shadows of Valentia\\\' characters have canon ages).
These are the ones that stood out to me, though I am talking from a PEGI viewpoint as it is in my region. Once we get these cleared up we can start with cutting the examples.
Right, because no 10-year-old girl has ever played wedding. There\\\'s nothing in the PEGI or ESRB ratings about underage girls wearing wedding dresses (I could find ratings for any other territories)\\\"
I remember this character being really controversial when the banner came out at the time for that reason. I don\\\'t know what things are like where you are, but girls usually wore white dresses as bridesmaids (though that is dying out) and certain religious ceremonies that are not weddings, and not when they are playing pretend. While there are no radars that explicitly ban this, I think it\\\'ll get re-added if it got cut anyway. Either this should get moved to something like Squick, Fridge or YMMV (if it isn\\\'t mentioned already) or should be rephrased to say that it isn\\\'t explicitly verboten by radars.
\\\"Yuri and Dorothea\\\'s A-support is disturbingly frank about the former\\\'s past as an underage prostitute. While past titles have alluded to prostitution and sex work in passing, it\\\'s never been the focal point of a character\\\'s story arc. Yuri:Back then, the Imperial capital was swarming with disgusting nobles, all of them vying for your attention [and] love. Many were willing to compromise with an inferior substitute. If they couldn\\\'t have you, perhaps someone else was capable of singing just as sweetly.
This is explicitly allowed under PEGI 12 and ESRB T, and irrelevant to USK 12.\\\"
References to child prostitution and paedophilia counts as radar-passing due to the nature of the subject. I hope I won\\\'t need to elaborate on why.
\\\"There are some very disturbing implications regarding Marianne\\\'s absence from the second half of the game if you haven\\\'t recruited her, given there\\\'s an extra chair in her room...
One, this is explicitly allowed under PEGI 12, ESRB T, and USK 12. Two, you\\\'re reading too much into it. Three, fucking seriously? Marianne maybe possibly (but probably not) having committed suicide is \\\"getting crap past the radar\\\", but until recently there was an entire Radar/ subpage for Fates that never once mentioned Ryoma\\\'s graphic seppukku?\\\"
I agree that this should be cut (for a start, if she dies pre-timeskip her ending states that she disappeared along with a single horse which implies that she\\\'s still alive - all the pre-timeskip deaths can be seen here https://imgur.com/a/AIbFwFT). However, I think Ryoma\\\'s death should be added as even though it is not graphic it is disturbing (IMO I think some users have forgotten that crap can include violent content).
\\\"The ESRB doesn\\\'t care about alcohol use. USK is mostly concerned with children\\\\\\\'s psychology. PEGI does indeed have rules about drugs, including alcohol; the website says that alcohol requires a 16 rating, but Video Standards, one of the companies who assign the PEGI ratings, provides a clarification:
Although some use of tobacco and alcohol isn’t restricted to a particular age, the PEGI criteria prevents any kind of encouragement of these products being shown below the age of 16.
Balthus is 27 at the start and only mentions alcohol in passing, specifically noting that it wasn\\\'t served on account of most of the students being underage. His supports portray alcohol in a neutral manner at best, and the references to Manuela\\\'s drinking are consistently negative. Since the use of alcohol is not encouraged, indeed is somewhat discouraged, it does not violate PEGI\\\'s rules.\\\"
First of all, the link you posted redirected me to the site\\\'s homepage, and I googled \\\"video game standards alchohol\\\" and only found a bunch of journal articles. I did find this https://videostandards.org.uk/MzCms/ContentImage.ashx?cpath=000%5C000%5C948%5C941%5CRating+Drugs.pdf, which does back up what you say but is from 2014 and pretty vague. The example involving Manuela can be cut, but the one involving Balthus is more murky. Additionally, I think alcohol references can be added to \\\'\\\'Shadows of Valentia\\\'\\\' as Saber is introduced surrounded by various bottles, and Beer and Wine are items (albeit offered to shrines to grant a boost to stamina, though originally added to be consumed by older characters - its why all \\\'Shadows of Valentia\\\' characters have canon ages).
These are the ones that stood out to me, though I am talking from a PEGI viewpoint as it is in my region. Once we get these cleared up we can start with cutting the examples.
