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[004] Dirtyblue929

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->\\\'\\\'\\\"Even though Miles has the passion, drive, and desire to carry out his promise to Blond Peter, the Spider-Gang realizes he\\\\\\\'s too inexperienced with his powers and would be a liability in the field, likely getting himself killed. Miles was willing to risk his life toward this goal and the gang said that\\\\\\\'s not enough.\\\"\\\'\\\'

That is... very much missing the point of that entire part of the movie? It\\\'s not that he\\\'s too inexperienced - the \\\"What\\\'s up Danger\\\" moment doesn\\\'t come after he spends hours practicing his powers.

The whole point is that he \\\'\\\'lacks\\\'\\\' the passion, drive, and desire beyond a superficial level: he\\\'s initially confident when helping Peter at Alchemax and meeting the other Spiders in the lair, but when confronted with the difficulties of being a hero (nearly getting caught, being confronted about his experience), he starts to panic and chickens out. It isn\\\'t about him \\\"accepting that he\\\'s special\\\" or \\\"embracing his powers\\\", it\\\'s about him gaining the confidence to go out and be a hero despite the fact that he has zero experience. He\\\'s accepting that he has a responsibility to good, which is a pretty universally applicable aesop that is nothing new for Spider-Man.

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\\\'\\\'\\\"however the movie SHOWS a contrary message regarding those who actually wear the spider-man mask (or mecha). That group absolutely has to have superpowers to have any chance of infiltrating King-Pin\\\\\\\'s lair and stopping the Super-Collider and the Spider-Gang came across those powers by the \\\\\\\"radioactive spider lottery\\\\\\\" rather than choice and determination.\\\"\\\'\\\'

By this logic something like half of all superhero stories have {{Broken Aesop}}s.

[003] Dirtyblue929

21st Jan '20 at 08:53:29 AM

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->\\\'\\\'\\\"Even though Miles has the passion, drive, and desire to carry out his promise to Blond Peter, the Spider-Gang realizes he\\\\\\\'s too inexperienced with his powers and would be a liability in the field, likely getting himself killed. Miles was willing to risk his life toward this goal and the gang said that\\\\\\\'s not enough.\\\"\\\'\\\'

That is... very much missing the point of that entire part of the movie? It\\\'s not that he\\\'s too inexperienced - the \\\"What\\\'s up Danger\\\" moment doesn\\\'t come after he spends hours practicing his powers.

The whole point is that he \\\'\\\'lacks\\\'\\\' the passion, drive, and desire beyond a superficial level: he\\\'s initially confident when helping Peter at Alchemax and meeting the other Spiders in the lair, but when confronted with the difficulties of being a hero (nearly getting caught, being confronted about his experience), he starts to panic and chickens out. It isn\\\'t about him \\\"accepting that he\\\'s special\\\" or \\\"embracing his powers\\\", it\\\'s about him gaining the confidence to go out and be a hero despite the fact that he has zero experience. He\\\'s accepting that he has a responsibility to good, which is a pretty universally applicable aesop that is nothing new for Spider-Man.

I\\\'d also like to add that if we follow your logic on this then something like half of all superhero stories have {{Broken Aesop}}s.

[002] Dirtyblue929

21st Jan '20 at 08:50:56 AM

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Regardless of that I feel you two are taking an overly-literal approach to the film\'s message and the trope itself for starters, but regardless of that, I will concede that there\'s only really two major muggle characters who perform heroics. I do seem to recall a scene of Rio Morales helping evacuate a hospital during the final supercollider sequence but it\'s been a while since I watched the film.

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I feel you two are taking an overly-literal approach to the film\\\'s message and the trope itself for starters, but regardless of that, I will concede that there\\\'s only really two major muggle characters who perform heroics. I do seem to recall a scene of Rio Morales helping evacuate a hospital during the final supercollider sequence but it\\\'s been a while since I watched the film.

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->\\\'\\\'\\\"Even though Miles has the passion, drive, and desire to carry out his promise to Blond Peter, the Spider-Gang realizes he\\\\\\\'s too inexperienced with his powers and would be a liability in the field, likely getting himself killed. Miles was willing to risk his life toward this goal and the gang said that\\\\\\\'s not enough.\\\"\\\'\\\'

That is... very much missing the point of that entire part of the movie? It\\\'s not that he\\\'s too inexperienced - the \\\"What\\\'s up Danger\\\" moment doesn\\\'t come after he spends hours practicing his powers.

The whole point is that he \\\'\\\'lacks\\\'\\\' the passion, drive, and desire beyond a superficial level: he\\\'s initially confident when helping Peter at Alchemax and meeting the other Spiders in the lair, but when confronted with the difficulties of being a hero (nearly getting caught, being confronted about his experience), he starts to panic and chickens out. It isn\\\'t about him \\\"accepting that he\\\'s special\\\" or \\\"embracing his powers\\\", it\\\'s about him gaining the confidence to go out and be a hero despite the fact that he has zero experience. He\\\'s accepting that he has a responsibility to good, which is a pretty universally applicable aesop that is nothing new for Spider-Man.

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