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** Most egregiously, the end of the otherwise quite decent second-season episode Epiphanies, in which [[spoiler: Laura Roslin was essentially [[ContractualImmortality shot in the cancer]]]] was the original point at which the show turned away from its DarkerAndEdgier \
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** Most egregiously, the end of the otherwise quite decent second-season episode Epiphanies, in which [[spoiler: Laura Roslin was essentially [[ContractualImmortality shot in the cancer]]]] was the original point at which the show turned away from its DarkerAndEdgier \\\"naturalistic science fiction\\\" premise and willingness to take risks. It\\\'s unsurprising that the show\\\'s quality suffered a major dip for the rest of the season.
** I thought the [[spoiler: destruction of the spiritual stuff as ambigious]] was a bad move, but what really pissed me off was the survivor\\\'s utterly fucking ridiculous decision to [[spoiler: abandon all technology. Yeah good luck surviving without medication for your chronic illnesses, you utter morons! Not to mention the fact that the inevitable collapse means the loss of all records from the events of the series, letting the whole shebang happen again, whereas building a new civilization founded on the knowledge of the journey would actually, I don\\\'t know, stand a chance at subverting the cycle?]]
** The destruction of the Pegasus always left a bad taste in my mouth, because of the utterly fucking stupid tactics Lee Adama used. Leaving all your Vipers behind? Taking Pegasus right into the middle of the Cylon fleet? And then losing it, after Pegasus had previously escaped a Cylon trap involving three basestars and \\\'\\\'being hit by multiple nuclear missiles\\\'\\\'? Under Lee\\\'s command, no less? It\\\'s true that the StatusQuoIsGod, but sacrificing a Battlestar that\\\'s bigger, more heavily-armed and boasting a better tactical advantage (the ability to make new Vipers) is just stupid all around. [[NiceJobBreakingItHero Nice job breaking it, Lee.]]
** \\\'\\\'Sacrifice\\\'\\\'. Just... \\\'\\\'Sacrifice\\\'\\\' - or rather, its final scenes: after nearly two seasons of Billy and Dualla\\\'s on/off relationship and the episode\\\'s opening scene where he gives her his graduation ring, [[spoiler: Billy gets gunned down by the terrorists. So in the end, while Billy lies on a slab at the morgue with no one but Laura to mourn him, Dualla goes and checks on poor Lee who wasn\\\'t even hurt badly. Granted, Billy\\\'s actor wanted out to star in his own series - which didn\\\'t really go anywhere for him - but the horrible lack of setup for this development (scenes teasing Lee and Dualla\\\'s future relationship were filmed but cut for time) coupled with how little Dualla had interacted with anyone else at a personal level made her look like a cold, heartless bed-jumper who seemed all too glad Billy was removed from the picture so the Lee/Dualla pairing could unabashedly burn on-screen time. This troper was just too glad to see her blow her brains out - again, little to no foreshadowing to that twist either - nearly two seasons later after serving no purpose other than as Lee\\\'s obstacle to overcome before hooking up with Starbuck... again.]]
*** Removing Billy was the biggest case of WRITER-INDUCED DieForOurShip this troper has ever seen in a show. And they expected you to take it completely seriously! Billy was one of the few genuinely kind-hearted characters, and he\\\'s gone with barely a word. The kicker: They never mention him more than once or twice afterwards, EVER again. Throughout the entire series. They act like he was never there and Lee/Dualla were supposed to be a couple from the get-go.
*** Anastasia Dualla is one of the series\\\' biggest DMoS given human form. At least the third season finale made Lee Adama\\\'s formerly unbearable character more dimension. That other bitch never had a chance.
** This troper was hooked on the original \\\"Battlestar: Galactica\\\", when Cmdr. Adama had a scene in the original episode where he was heartsick about leaving people behind to die because he simply didn\\\'t have room on the ships for them. Then I stopped watching the show completely when about 6-8 episodes later, they re-did \\\"The Dirty Dozen\\\" with a crew of \\\"the worst criminals in the galaxy\\\" who were being held on the \\\"prison ship\\\". If Adama had known about the prison ship in the original episode, he would have spaced these guys in a heartbeat to make room for more women and children. It represented a complete DMoS on the part of the writers and producers of the show.
[=folder:Buffy The Vampire Slayer=]
** And then sent her little sister to him for safety! In the same episode! Seriously!
*** As someone who can\\\'t get past that aspect of the Thomas Covenant books, I feel the need to defend Spike. In his mind, he wasn\\\'t raping Buffy. He was trying to engage in the same rough sex they had been having the entire season. I think the hypocrisy of this was only realized after the fact which is why it\\\'s not really addressed much after this episode. If everyone involved really felt he had been trying to rape her, don\\\'t you think Willow would have blown him the frack up?
** And you want to know what the worst part is? The very next episode, she was worrying about where he had gone to! Remember when this used to be a feminist show?
** From that same episode, [[spoiler:Tara\\\'s]] cruel, meaningless and wasted death.
*** [[spoiler:Tara]] was my favorite character. I felt betrayed for days after that.
*** Made even worse by the fact that she was moved to main cast credits for that episode. This troper threw an impromptu [[spoiler:\\\"Tara]]\\\'s a main character celebration\\\" before she died. Afterwards I had a terrible bout of [[HesJustHiding denial]] before an breaking down into an epic bitch fit.
*** Personally, I didn\\\'t mind. Her personality throughout S6 just annoyed me to no end.
*** At least that Season Six monstrosity was over in three minutes, how about a six hour stream of suck?... Smashed. Wrecked. Gone. Doublemeat Palace. Dead Things. As You Were. C-C-C-COMBO!
** That entire, sick Willow-is-a-junkie plotline. How could they do that to Willow? Let me just say \\\"Bored now.\\\"
*** The worst thing about that plotline is the underlying idea was actually good: Willow gained a great deal of power very quickly, and the idea of both having it go to her head and having her use it carelessly were set up well. And then they went from metaphor to literal, and... yeah.
*** About how Willow was there for Buffy after she was crying about Parker who she knew for like a week maybe, and then Buffy was bored about Willow being upset that Oz, Willow\\\'s longtime boyfriend left her. I know Buffy is supposed to be self centered but JESUS CHRIST, that is so awful.
*** Not to mention it adds a further WallBanger to the Spike/Buffy thing. You\\\'d think after the Parker ordeal Buffy would come to be a little more choosy about who she sleeps with.
** \\\'\\\'\\\'Get It Done\\\'\\\'\\\'. Not to mention that the Slayer\\\'s origins are actually based in what looked like rape, Buffy-Stalin\\\'s speech really got to me. Buff, honey, a scared, young girl who never wanted this just killed herself. Would you mind showing her a little respect and not call her an idiot? Please and thank you.
*** This was a horrible speech from a horrible episode. Not only does Buffy essentially mock the girl\\\'s death, but decides to tear the entire group down and dismisses even her core group\\\'s contributions throughout the show\\\'s run. It really showed that Buffy at best could be oblivious to the contributions of her group, but at worst could disregard or be downright ungrateful for her friends\\\' help. For me, Buffy\\\'s speech in this episode and her refusal in \\\'\\\'\\\'Empty Places\\\'\\\'\\\' to hear any alternative to her plan to fight it out at the vineyard (a plan that didn\\\'t seem to work out too well for the gang in the previous episode) made the mutiny against her seem somewhat justified.
**** Somewhat? Logically, it was definitely justified! She was being a terrible leader, and the fact that she turned out to be right, against all logic, was a moment of this for sure.
***** Even so, and all that may be true, however, after everything Buffy did for her and even committed suicide rather than allow Dawn to die, that ungrateful little [[TheScrappy brat]] turned against her sister and made her leave \\\'\\\'her own house\\\'\\\'. This troper barely tolerated Dawn to start with, but that was just unforgivable.
****** So, just because someone died for you means you should let them lead you all to a painful death?
******* Well it\\\'s not like Dawn was going to be involved in the campaign. Fine, she could have voted against the plan if she didn\\\'t agree with it, but she had no right to tell Buffy to leave the house. That coming from your own sister is a bitter pill to swallow. If one of the other girls had asked her to leave, Buffy could have defended her position, but because it was Dawn, Buffy was kind of powerless against it and it robbed her of any further willpower to keep fighting her corner. A bit of a low blow.
******** But Dawn didn\\\'t even tell Buffy to leave. Buffy threw a hissy fit and told her that she had to be in charge of everything or she would leave, Dawn just said \\\"OK then\\\".
-->\\\'\\\'\\\'Buffy:\\\'\\\'\\\' I can\\\'t stay here and watch [Faith] lead you into some disaster...
-->\\\'\\\'\\\'Dawn:\\\'\\\'\\\' Then you can\\\'t stay here.
** The \\\"loan shark\\\" with \\\'\\\'a fucking shark head, bad suit and stereotypical Mafioso accent\\\'\\\', trying to collect \\\'\\\'kittens\\\'\\\' from Spike to \\\'\\\'pay off Spike\\\'s gambling debts\\\'\\\'. The exchange from an earlier episode about playing poker with demons - with kittens as the stakes - was hilarious. How the idea of turning that joke \\\'\\\'into an actual plot-point\\\'\\\' (not to mention the fish-headed Mafioso demon) got past the story conference stage remains a mystery to me. \\\"Aw, hell,\\\" someone may have said, \\\"if we\\\'re gonna jump the shark, we might as well put the shark in the episode, too!\\\"
*** If I\\\'m not mistaken, that same episode also featured a \\\'\\\'Batman\\\'\\\' TV show-worthy freeze-ray, frosting a museum security guard who was \\\'\\\'featured on the TV news\\\'\\\' but yet was \\\'\\\'just being carried out\\\'\\\' as both Buffy and Spike arrived at the museum after \\\'\\\'walking across town\\\'\\\' to get there. All the good writers and show-runners must have been working on \\\'\\\'Firefly\\\'\\\' when that script got the green light... although how such howlers also made it past the cast and director is a riddle for the ages.
**** I don\\\'t think that was the same episode.
** Xander leaving Anya at the altar was the episode that did it for this troper. Seriously Joss Whedon, just because you [[DeusAngsMachina think \\\"gritty\\\" writing means making sure none of your characters ever get real happy endings]] doesn\\\'t justify welding an IdiotBall to Xander\\\'s face big enough for some serious CharacterDerailment. His later bs justifications of \\\"taking it too fast\\\" don\\\'t fit very well with other facts like how long the two had been living together, that they got a house together, and that XANDER made the proposal in the first place! This troper personally had to Handwave the whole episode as Xander suffering from magically-induced stupidity to get past it.
*** His fear for how it \\\"might\\\" turn out, if you think about it, are pretty much justified, seeing as his parents/the rest of his family came to the wedding...
*** This troper was FURIOUS after watching \\\"Hell\\\'s Bells.\\\" Breaking up a marriage that you asked for just because you * might* turn out to be a jerk when you\\\'re older does not a good reason make. On top of that, in later episodes Anya is treated as if SHE\\\'S the unreasonable one.
**** That\\\'s not to say that it was completely Xander\\\'s fault, either. Asking Xander to be perfectly okay with getting married after basicly being mind-raped is a little unreasonable. But then, it was expected that he\\\'d be okay sharing a house with someone who tried to rape and kill him.
* In \\\"Once More With Feeling\\\", Buffy sings \\\"So one by one, they turn from me. I guess my friends just can\\\'t face the cold. But why I froze, not one of them knows... and never can be told.\\\" What? Why you complaining about your friends not knowing how you feel when \\\'\\\'\\\'you don\\\'t tell them\\\'\\\'\\\'! They\\\'re not mind readers!
** Um... wasn\\\'t it obvious that she just didn\\\'t want them to feel guilty? She felt alone because no one knew, but she also didn\\\'t want to burden them with the knowledge.
** I thought the [[spoiler: destruction of the spiritual stuff as ambigious]] was a bad move, but what really pissed me off was the survivor\\\'s utterly fucking ridiculous decision to [[spoiler: abandon all technology. Yeah good luck surviving without medication for your chronic illnesses, you utter morons! Not to mention the fact that the inevitable collapse means the loss of all records from the events of the series, letting the whole shebang happen again, whereas building a new civilization founded on the knowledge of the journey would actually, I don\\\'t know, stand a chance at subverting the cycle?]]
** The destruction of the Pegasus always left a bad taste in my mouth, because of the utterly fucking stupid tactics Lee Adama used. Leaving all your Vipers behind? Taking Pegasus right into the middle of the Cylon fleet? And then losing it, after Pegasus had previously escaped a Cylon trap involving three basestars and \\\'\\\'being hit by multiple nuclear missiles\\\'\\\'? Under Lee\\\'s command, no less? It\\\'s true that the StatusQuoIsGod, but sacrificing a Battlestar that\\\'s bigger, more heavily-armed and boasting a better tactical advantage (the ability to make new Vipers) is just stupid all around. [[NiceJobBreakingItHero Nice job breaking it, Lee.]]
** \\\'\\\'Sacrifice\\\'\\\'. Just... \\\'\\\'Sacrifice\\\'\\\' - or rather, its final scenes: after nearly two seasons of Billy and Dualla\\\'s on/off relationship and the episode\\\'s opening scene where he gives her his graduation ring, [[spoiler: Billy gets gunned down by the terrorists. So in the end, while Billy lies on a slab at the morgue with no one but Laura to mourn him, Dualla goes and checks on poor Lee who wasn\\\'t even hurt badly. Granted, Billy\\\'s actor wanted out to star in his own series - which didn\\\'t really go anywhere for him - but the horrible lack of setup for this development (scenes teasing Lee and Dualla\\\'s future relationship were filmed but cut for time) coupled with how little Dualla had interacted with anyone else at a personal level made her look like a cold, heartless bed-jumper who seemed all too glad Billy was removed from the picture so the Lee/Dualla pairing could unabashedly burn on-screen time. This troper was just too glad to see her blow her brains out - again, little to no foreshadowing to that twist either - nearly two seasons later after serving no purpose other than as Lee\\\'s obstacle to overcome before hooking up with Starbuck... again.]]
*** Removing Billy was the biggest case of WRITER-INDUCED DieForOurShip this troper has ever seen in a show. And they expected you to take it completely seriously! Billy was one of the few genuinely kind-hearted characters, and he\\\'s gone with barely a word. The kicker: They never mention him more than once or twice afterwards, EVER again. Throughout the entire series. They act like he was never there and Lee/Dualla were supposed to be a couple from the get-go.
*** Anastasia Dualla is one of the series\\\' biggest DMoS given human form. At least the third season finale made Lee Adama\\\'s formerly unbearable character more dimension. That other bitch never had a chance.
** This troper was hooked on the original \\\"Battlestar: Galactica\\\", when Cmdr. Adama had a scene in the original episode where he was heartsick about leaving people behind to die because he simply didn\\\'t have room on the ships for them. Then I stopped watching the show completely when about 6-8 episodes later, they re-did \\\"The Dirty Dozen\\\" with a crew of \\\"the worst criminals in the galaxy\\\" who were being held on the \\\"prison ship\\\". If Adama had known about the prison ship in the original episode, he would have spaced these guys in a heartbeat to make room for more women and children. It represented a complete DMoS on the part of the writers and producers of the show.
[=folder:Buffy The Vampire Slayer=]
** And then sent her little sister to him for safety! In the same episode! Seriously!
*** As someone who can\\\'t get past that aspect of the Thomas Covenant books, I feel the need to defend Spike. In his mind, he wasn\\\'t raping Buffy. He was trying to engage in the same rough sex they had been having the entire season. I think the hypocrisy of this was only realized after the fact which is why it\\\'s not really addressed much after this episode. If everyone involved really felt he had been trying to rape her, don\\\'t you think Willow would have blown him the frack up?
** And you want to know what the worst part is? The very next episode, she was worrying about where he had gone to! Remember when this used to be a feminist show?
** From that same episode, [[spoiler:Tara\\\'s]] cruel, meaningless and wasted death.
*** [[spoiler:Tara]] was my favorite character. I felt betrayed for days after that.
*** Made even worse by the fact that she was moved to main cast credits for that episode. This troper threw an impromptu [[spoiler:\\\"Tara]]\\\'s a main character celebration\\\" before she died. Afterwards I had a terrible bout of [[HesJustHiding denial]] before an breaking down into an epic bitch fit.
*** Personally, I didn\\\'t mind. Her personality throughout S6 just annoyed me to no end.
*** At least that Season Six monstrosity was over in three minutes, how about a six hour stream of suck?... Smashed. Wrecked. Gone. Doublemeat Palace. Dead Things. As You Were. C-C-C-COMBO!
** That entire, sick Willow-is-a-junkie plotline. How could they do that to Willow? Let me just say \\\"Bored now.\\\"
*** The worst thing about that plotline is the underlying idea was actually good: Willow gained a great deal of power very quickly, and the idea of both having it go to her head and having her use it carelessly were set up well. And then they went from metaphor to literal, and... yeah.
*** About how Willow was there for Buffy after she was crying about Parker who she knew for like a week maybe, and then Buffy was bored about Willow being upset that Oz, Willow\\\'s longtime boyfriend left her. I know Buffy is supposed to be self centered but JESUS CHRIST, that is so awful.
*** Not to mention it adds a further WallBanger to the Spike/Buffy thing. You\\\'d think after the Parker ordeal Buffy would come to be a little more choosy about who she sleeps with.
** \\\'\\\'\\\'Get It Done\\\'\\\'\\\'. Not to mention that the Slayer\\\'s origins are actually based in what looked like rape, Buffy-Stalin\\\'s speech really got to me. Buff, honey, a scared, young girl who never wanted this just killed herself. Would you mind showing her a little respect and not call her an idiot? Please and thank you.
*** This was a horrible speech from a horrible episode. Not only does Buffy essentially mock the girl\\\'s death, but decides to tear the entire group down and dismisses even her core group\\\'s contributions throughout the show\\\'s run. It really showed that Buffy at best could be oblivious to the contributions of her group, but at worst could disregard or be downright ungrateful for her friends\\\' help. For me, Buffy\\\'s speech in this episode and her refusal in \\\'\\\'\\\'Empty Places\\\'\\\'\\\' to hear any alternative to her plan to fight it out at the vineyard (a plan that didn\\\'t seem to work out too well for the gang in the previous episode) made the mutiny against her seem somewhat justified.
**** Somewhat? Logically, it was definitely justified! She was being a terrible leader, and the fact that she turned out to be right, against all logic, was a moment of this for sure.
***** Even so, and all that may be true, however, after everything Buffy did for her and even committed suicide rather than allow Dawn to die, that ungrateful little [[TheScrappy brat]] turned against her sister and made her leave \\\'\\\'her own house\\\'\\\'. This troper barely tolerated Dawn to start with, but that was just unforgivable.
****** So, just because someone died for you means you should let them lead you all to a painful death?
******* Well it\\\'s not like Dawn was going to be involved in the campaign. Fine, she could have voted against the plan if she didn\\\'t agree with it, but she had no right to tell Buffy to leave the house. That coming from your own sister is a bitter pill to swallow. If one of the other girls had asked her to leave, Buffy could have defended her position, but because it was Dawn, Buffy was kind of powerless against it and it robbed her of any further willpower to keep fighting her corner. A bit of a low blow.
******** But Dawn didn\\\'t even tell Buffy to leave. Buffy threw a hissy fit and told her that she had to be in charge of everything or she would leave, Dawn just said \\\"OK then\\\".
-->\\\'\\\'\\\'Buffy:\\\'\\\'\\\' I can\\\'t stay here and watch [Faith] lead you into some disaster...
-->\\\'\\\'\\\'Dawn:\\\'\\\'\\\' Then you can\\\'t stay here.
** The \\\"loan shark\\\" with \\\'\\\'a fucking shark head, bad suit and stereotypical Mafioso accent\\\'\\\', trying to collect \\\'\\\'kittens\\\'\\\' from Spike to \\\'\\\'pay off Spike\\\'s gambling debts\\\'\\\'. The exchange from an earlier episode about playing poker with demons - with kittens as the stakes - was hilarious. How the idea of turning that joke \\\'\\\'into an actual plot-point\\\'\\\' (not to mention the fish-headed Mafioso demon) got past the story conference stage remains a mystery to me. \\\"Aw, hell,\\\" someone may have said, \\\"if we\\\'re gonna jump the shark, we might as well put the shark in the episode, too!\\\"
*** If I\\\'m not mistaken, that same episode also featured a \\\'\\\'Batman\\\'\\\' TV show-worthy freeze-ray, frosting a museum security guard who was \\\'\\\'featured on the TV news\\\'\\\' but yet was \\\'\\\'just being carried out\\\'\\\' as both Buffy and Spike arrived at the museum after \\\'\\\'walking across town\\\'\\\' to get there. All the good writers and show-runners must have been working on \\\'\\\'Firefly\\\'\\\' when that script got the green light... although how such howlers also made it past the cast and director is a riddle for the ages.
**** I don\\\'t think that was the same episode.
** Xander leaving Anya at the altar was the episode that did it for this troper. Seriously Joss Whedon, just because you [[DeusAngsMachina think \\\"gritty\\\" writing means making sure none of your characters ever get real happy endings]] doesn\\\'t justify welding an IdiotBall to Xander\\\'s face big enough for some serious CharacterDerailment. His later bs justifications of \\\"taking it too fast\\\" don\\\'t fit very well with other facts like how long the two had been living together, that they got a house together, and that XANDER made the proposal in the first place! This troper personally had to Handwave the whole episode as Xander suffering from magically-induced stupidity to get past it.
*** His fear for how it \\\"might\\\" turn out, if you think about it, are pretty much justified, seeing as his parents/the rest of his family came to the wedding...
*** This troper was FURIOUS after watching \\\"Hell\\\'s Bells.\\\" Breaking up a marriage that you asked for just because you * might* turn out to be a jerk when you\\\'re older does not a good reason make. On top of that, in later episodes Anya is treated as if SHE\\\'S the unreasonable one.
**** That\\\'s not to say that it was completely Xander\\\'s fault, either. Asking Xander to be perfectly okay with getting married after basicly being mind-raped is a little unreasonable. But then, it was expected that he\\\'d be okay sharing a house with someone who tried to rape and kill him.
* In \\\"Once More With Feeling\\\", Buffy sings \\\"So one by one, they turn from me. I guess my friends just can\\\'t face the cold. But why I froze, not one of them knows... and never can be told.\\\" What? Why you complaining about your friends not knowing how you feel when \\\'\\\'\\\'you don\\\'t tell them\\\'\\\'\\\'! They\\\'re not mind readers!
** Um... wasn\\\'t it obvious that she just didn\\\'t want them to feel guilty? She felt alone because no one knew, but she also didn\\\'t want to burden them with the knowledge.
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** Most egregiously, the end of the otherwise quite decent second-season episode Epiphanies, in which [[spoiler: Laura Roslin was essentially [[ContractualImmortality shot in the cancer]]]] was the original point at which the show turned away from its DarkerAndEdgier \
to:
** Most egregiously, the end of the otherwise quite decent second-season episode Epiphanies, in which [[spoiler: Laura Roslin was essentially [[ContractualImmortality shot in the cancer]]]] was the original point at which the show turned away from its DarkerAndEdgier \\\"naturalistic science fiction\\\" premise and willingness to take risks. It\\\'s unsurprising that the show\\\'s quality suffered a major dip for the rest of the season.
** I thought the [[spoiler: destruction of the spiritual stuff as ambigious]] was a bad move, but what really pissed me off was the survivor\\\'s utterly fucking ridiculous decision to [[spoiler: abandon all technology. Yeah good luck surviving without medication for your chronic illnesses, you utter morons! Not to mention the fact that the inevitable collapse means the loss of all records from the events of the series, letting the whole shebang happen again, whereas building a new civilization founded on the knowledge of the journey would actually, I don\\\'t know, stand a chance at subverting the cycle?]]
** The destruction of the Pegasus always left a bad taste in my mouth, because of the utterly fucking stupid tactics Lee Adama used. Leaving all your Vipers behind? Taking Pegasus right into the middle of the Cylon fleet? And then losing it, after Pegasus had previously escaped a Cylon trap involving three basestars and \\\'\\\'being hit by multiple nuclear missiles\\\'\\\'? Under Lee\\\'s command, no less? It\\\'s true that the StatusQuoIsGod, but sacrificing a Battlestar that\\\'s bigger, more heavily-armed and boasting a better tactical advantage (the ability to make new Vipers) is just stupid all around. [[NiceJobBreakingItHero Nice job breaking it, Lee.]]
** \\\'\\\'Sacrifice\\\'\\\'. Just... \\\'\\\'Sacrifice\\\'\\\' - or rather, its final scenes: after nearly two seasons of Billy and Dualla\\\'s on/off relationship and the episode\\\'s opening scene where he gives her his graduation ring, [[spoiler: Billy gets gunned down by the terrorists. So in the end, while Billy lies on a slab at the morgue with no one but Laura to mourn him, Dualla goes and checks on poor Lee who wasn\\\'t even hurt badly. Granted, Billy\\\'s actor wanted out to star in his own series - which didn\\\'t really go anywhere for him - but the horrible lack of setup for this development (scenes teasing Lee and Dualla\\\'s future relationship were filmed but cut for time) coupled with how little Dualla had interacted with anyone else at a personal level made her look like a cold, heartless bed-jumper who seemed all too glad Billy was removed from the picture so the Lee/Dualla pairing could unabashedly burn on-screen time. This troper was just too glad to see her blow her brains out - again, little to no foreshadowing to that twist either - nearly two seasons later after serving no purpose other than as Lee\\\'s obstacle to overcome before hooking up with Starbuck... again.]]
*** Removing Billy was the biggest case of WRITER-INDUCED DieForOurShip this troper has ever seen in a show. And they expected you to take it completely seriously! Billy was one of the few genuinely kind-hearted characters, and he\\\'s gone with barely a word. The kicker: They never mention him more than once or twice afterwards, EVER again. Throughout the entire series. They act like he was never there and Lee/Dualla were supposed to be a couple from the get-go.
*** Anastasia Dualla is one of the series\\\' biggest DMoS given human form. At least the third season finale made Lee Adama\\\'s formerly unbearable character more dimension. That other bitch never had a chance.
** This troper was hooked on the original \\\"Battlestar: Galactica\\\", when Cmdr. Adama had a scene in the original episode where he was heartsick about leaving people behind to die because he simply didn\\\'t have room on the ships for them. Then I stopped watching the show completely when about 6-8 episodes later, they re-did \\\"The Dirty Dozen\\\" with a crew of \\\"the worst criminals in the galaxy\\\" who were being held on the \\\"prison ship\\\". If Adama had known about the prison ship in the original episode, he would have spaced these guys in a heartbeat to make room for more women and children. It represented a complete DMoS on the part of the writers and producers of the show.
[=folder:Buffy The Vampire Slayer=]
** And then sent her little sister to him for safety! In the same episode! Seriously!
*** As someone who can\\\'t get past that aspect of the Thomas Covenant books, I feel the need to defend Spike. In his mind, he wasn\\\'t raping Buffy. He was trying to engage in the same rough sex they had been having the entire season. I think the hypocrisy of this was only realized after the fact which is why it\\\'s not really addressed much after this episode. If everyone involved really felt he had been trying to rape her, don\\\'t you think Willow would have blown him the frack up?
** And you want to know what the worst part is? The very next episode, she was worrying about where he had gone to! Remember when this used to be a feminist show?
** From that same episode, [[spoiler:Tara\\\'s]] cruel, meaningless and wasted death.
*** [[spoiler:Tara]] was my favorite character. I felt betrayed for days after that.
*** Made even worse by the fact that she was moved to main cast credits for that episode. This troper threw an impromptu [[spoiler:\\\"Tara]]\\\'s a main character celebration\\\" before she died. Afterwards I had a terrible bout of [[HesJustHiding denial]] before an breaking down into an epic bitch fit.
*** Personally, I didn\\\'t mind. Her personality throughout S6 just annoyed me to no end.
*** At least that Season Six monstrosity was over in three minutes, how about a six hour stream of suck?... Smashed. Wrecked. Gone. Doublemeat Palace. Dead Things. As You Were. C-C-C-COMBO!
** That entire, sick Willow-is-a-junkie plotline. How could they do that to Willow? Let me just say \\\"Bored now.\\\"
*** The worst thing about that plotline is the underlying idea was actually good: Willow gained a great deal of power very quickly, and the idea of both having it go to her head and having her use it carelessly were set up well. And then they went from metaphor to literal, and... yeah.
** I thought the [[spoiler: destruction of the spiritual stuff as ambigious]] was a bad move, but what really pissed me off was the survivor\\\'s utterly fucking ridiculous decision to [[spoiler: abandon all technology. Yeah good luck surviving without medication for your chronic illnesses, you utter morons! Not to mention the fact that the inevitable collapse means the loss of all records from the events of the series, letting the whole shebang happen again, whereas building a new civilization founded on the knowledge of the journey would actually, I don\\\'t know, stand a chance at subverting the cycle?]]
** The destruction of the Pegasus always left a bad taste in my mouth, because of the utterly fucking stupid tactics Lee Adama used. Leaving all your Vipers behind? Taking Pegasus right into the middle of the Cylon fleet? And then losing it, after Pegasus had previously escaped a Cylon trap involving three basestars and \\\'\\\'being hit by multiple nuclear missiles\\\'\\\'? Under Lee\\\'s command, no less? It\\\'s true that the StatusQuoIsGod, but sacrificing a Battlestar that\\\'s bigger, more heavily-armed and boasting a better tactical advantage (the ability to make new Vipers) is just stupid all around. [[NiceJobBreakingItHero Nice job breaking it, Lee.]]
** \\\'\\\'Sacrifice\\\'\\\'. Just... \\\'\\\'Sacrifice\\\'\\\' - or rather, its final scenes: after nearly two seasons of Billy and Dualla\\\'s on/off relationship and the episode\\\'s opening scene where he gives her his graduation ring, [[spoiler: Billy gets gunned down by the terrorists. So in the end, while Billy lies on a slab at the morgue with no one but Laura to mourn him, Dualla goes and checks on poor Lee who wasn\\\'t even hurt badly. Granted, Billy\\\'s actor wanted out to star in his own series - which didn\\\'t really go anywhere for him - but the horrible lack of setup for this development (scenes teasing Lee and Dualla\\\'s future relationship were filmed but cut for time) coupled with how little Dualla had interacted with anyone else at a personal level made her look like a cold, heartless bed-jumper who seemed all too glad Billy was removed from the picture so the Lee/Dualla pairing could unabashedly burn on-screen time. This troper was just too glad to see her blow her brains out - again, little to no foreshadowing to that twist either - nearly two seasons later after serving no purpose other than as Lee\\\'s obstacle to overcome before hooking up with Starbuck... again.]]
*** Removing Billy was the biggest case of WRITER-INDUCED DieForOurShip this troper has ever seen in a show. And they expected you to take it completely seriously! Billy was one of the few genuinely kind-hearted characters, and he\\\'s gone with barely a word. The kicker: They never mention him more than once or twice afterwards, EVER again. Throughout the entire series. They act like he was never there and Lee/Dualla were supposed to be a couple from the get-go.
*** Anastasia Dualla is one of the series\\\' biggest DMoS given human form. At least the third season finale made Lee Adama\\\'s formerly unbearable character more dimension. That other bitch never had a chance.
** This troper was hooked on the original \\\"Battlestar: Galactica\\\", when Cmdr. Adama had a scene in the original episode where he was heartsick about leaving people behind to die because he simply didn\\\'t have room on the ships for them. Then I stopped watching the show completely when about 6-8 episodes later, they re-did \\\"The Dirty Dozen\\\" with a crew of \\\"the worst criminals in the galaxy\\\" who were being held on the \\\"prison ship\\\". If Adama had known about the prison ship in the original episode, he would have spaced these guys in a heartbeat to make room for more women and children. It represented a complete DMoS on the part of the writers and producers of the show.
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** And then sent her little sister to him for safety! In the same episode! Seriously!
*** As someone who can\\\'t get past that aspect of the Thomas Covenant books, I feel the need to defend Spike. In his mind, he wasn\\\'t raping Buffy. He was trying to engage in the same rough sex they had been having the entire season. I think the hypocrisy of this was only realized after the fact which is why it\\\'s not really addressed much after this episode. If everyone involved really felt he had been trying to rape her, don\\\'t you think Willow would have blown him the frack up?
** And you want to know what the worst part is? The very next episode, she was worrying about where he had gone to! Remember when this used to be a feminist show?
** From that same episode, [[spoiler:Tara\\\'s]] cruel, meaningless and wasted death.
*** [[spoiler:Tara]] was my favorite character. I felt betrayed for days after that.
*** Made even worse by the fact that she was moved to main cast credits for that episode. This troper threw an impromptu [[spoiler:\\\"Tara]]\\\'s a main character celebration\\\" before she died. Afterwards I had a terrible bout of [[HesJustHiding denial]] before an breaking down into an epic bitch fit.
*** Personally, I didn\\\'t mind. Her personality throughout S6 just annoyed me to no end.
*** At least that Season Six monstrosity was over in three minutes, how about a six hour stream of suck?... Smashed. Wrecked. Gone. Doublemeat Palace. Dead Things. As You Were. C-C-C-COMBO!
** That entire, sick Willow-is-a-junkie plotline. How could they do that to Willow? Let me just say \\\"Bored now.\\\"
*** The worst thing about that plotline is the underlying idea was actually good: Willow gained a great deal of power very quickly, and the idea of both having it go to her head and having her use it carelessly were set up well. And then they went from metaphor to literal, and... yeah.
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** While the ending was indeed a huge leap away from the gritty realism, the most baffling part for this troper was the resolution of the \'secret of the opera house\'. They spend two fracking seasons foreshadowing it with prophetic dreams, as something where Hera gets abducted by 6 and Baltar, and what comes off it in the end? [[spoiler: Not only is it a minimal threat for Hera (the abduction she was just rescued from was a lot longer and more serious, and Cavil using a girl 1/4th his size as a human shield is pointless, even if he could have reasonably killed her without totaly screwing his own race), it is not only over in a few minutes (lengthened by a forgettable speach from Baltar that [[CharacterDerailment really shouldn\'t have impressed Cavil]]), but also has NO effect on the story whatsoever. Before the scene, the Cylons wanted to destroy Galactica. During the scene, they call a truce, but it\'s blown and they go right back to wanting to destroy Galactica.]]
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** While the ending was indeed a huge leap away from the gritty realism, the most baffling part for this troper was the resolution of the \\\'secret of the opera house\\\'. They spend two fracking seasons foreshadowing it with prophetic dreams, as something where Hera gets abducted by 6 and Baltar, and what comes off it in the end? [[spoiler: Not only is it a minimal threat for Hera (the abduction she was just rescued from was a lot longer and more serious, and Cavil using a girl 1/4th his size as a human shield is pointless, even if he could have reasonably killed her without totaly screwing his own race), it is not only over in a few minutes (lengthened by a forgettable speach from Baltar that [[CharacterDerailment really shouldn\\\'t have impressed Cavil]]), but also has NO effect on the story whatsoever. Before the scene, the Cylons wanted to destroy Galactica. During the scene, they call a truce, but it\\\'s blown and they go right back to wanting to destroy Galactica.]]
** Most egregiously, the end of the otherwise quite decent second-season episode Epiphanies, in which [[spoiler: Laura Roslin was essentially [[ContractualImmortality shot in the cancer]]]] was the original point at which the show turned away from its DarkerAndEdgier \\\"naturalistic science fiction\\\" premise and willingness to take risks. It\\\'s unsurprising that the show\\\'s quality suffered a major dip for the rest of the season.
** I thought the [[spoiler: destruction of the spiritual stuff as ambigious]] was a bad move, but what really pissed me off was the survivor\\\'s utterly fucking ridiculous decision to [[spoiler: abandon all technology. Yeah good luck surviving without medication for your chronic illnesses, you utter morons! Not to mention the fact that the inevitable collapse means the loss of all records from the events of the series, letting the whole shebang happen again, whereas building a new civilization founded on the knowledge of the journey would actually, I don\\\'t know, stand a chance at subverting the cycle?]]
** The destruction of the Pegasus always left a bad taste in my mouth, because of the utterly fucking stupid tactics Lee Adama used. Leaving all your Vipers behind? Taking Pegasus right into the middle of the Cylon fleet? And then losing it, after Pegasus had previously escaped a Cylon trap involving three basestars and \\\'\\\'being hit by multiple nuclear missiles\\\'\\\'? Under Lee\\\'s command, no less? It\\\'s true that the StatusQuoIsGod, but sacrificing a Battlestar that\\\'s bigger, more heavily-armed and boasting a better tactical advantage (the ability to make new Vipers) is just stupid all around. [[NiceJobBreakingItHero Nice job breaking it, Lee.]]
** \\\'\\\'Sacrifice\\\'\\\'. Just... \\\'\\\'Sacrifice\\\'\\\' - or rather, its final scenes: after nearly two seasons of Billy and Dualla\\\'s on/off relationship and the episode\\\'s opening scene where he gives her his graduation ring, [[spoiler: Billy gets gunned down by the terrorists. So in the end, while Billy lies on a slab at the morgue with no one but Laura to mourn him, Dualla goes and checks on poor Lee who wasn\\\'t even hurt badly. Granted, Billy\\\'s actor wanted out to star in his own series - which didn\\\'t really go anywhere for him - but the horrible lack of setup for this development (scenes teasing Lee and Dualla\\\'s future relationship were filmed but cut for time) coupled with how little Dualla had interacted with anyone else at a personal level made her look like a cold, heartless bed-jumper who seemed all too glad Billy was removed from the picture so the Lee/Dualla pairing could unabashedly burn on-screen time. This troper was just too glad to see her blow her brains out - again, little to no foreshadowing to that twist either - nearly two seasons later after serving no purpose other than as Lee\\\'s obstacle to overcome before hooking up with Starbuck... again.]]
*** Removing Billy was the biggest case of WRITER-INDUCED DieForOurShip this troper has ever seen in a show. And they expected you to take it completely seriously! Billy was one of the few genuinely kind-hearted characters, and he\\\'s gone with barely a word. The kicker: They never mention him more than once or twice afterwards, EVER again. Throughout the entire series. They act like he was never there and Lee/Dualla were supposed to be a couple from the get-go.
*** Anastasia Dualla is one of the series\\\' biggest DMoS given human form. At least the third season finale made Lee Adama\\\'s formerly unbearable character more dimension. That other bitch never had a chance.
** This troper was hooked on the original \\\"Battlestar: Galactica\\\", when Cmdr. Adama had a scene in the original episode where he was heartsick about leaving people behind to die because he simply didn\\\'t have room on the ships for them. Then I stopped watching the show completely when about 6-8 episodes later, they re-did \\\"The Dirty Dozen\\\" with a crew of \\\"the worst criminals in the galaxy\\\" who were being held on the \\\"prison ship\\\". If Adama had known about the prison ship in the original episode, he would have spaced these guys in a heartbeat to make room for more women and children. It represented a complete DMoS on the part of the writers and producers of the show.
** Most egregiously, the end of the otherwise quite decent second-season episode Epiphanies, in which [[spoiler: Laura Roslin was essentially [[ContractualImmortality shot in the cancer]]]] was the original point at which the show turned away from its DarkerAndEdgier \\\"naturalistic science fiction\\\" premise and willingness to take risks. It\\\'s unsurprising that the show\\\'s quality suffered a major dip for the rest of the season.
** I thought the [[spoiler: destruction of the spiritual stuff as ambigious]] was a bad move, but what really pissed me off was the survivor\\\'s utterly fucking ridiculous decision to [[spoiler: abandon all technology. Yeah good luck surviving without medication for your chronic illnesses, you utter morons! Not to mention the fact that the inevitable collapse means the loss of all records from the events of the series, letting the whole shebang happen again, whereas building a new civilization founded on the knowledge of the journey would actually, I don\\\'t know, stand a chance at subverting the cycle?]]
** The destruction of the Pegasus always left a bad taste in my mouth, because of the utterly fucking stupid tactics Lee Adama used. Leaving all your Vipers behind? Taking Pegasus right into the middle of the Cylon fleet? And then losing it, after Pegasus had previously escaped a Cylon trap involving three basestars and \\\'\\\'being hit by multiple nuclear missiles\\\'\\\'? Under Lee\\\'s command, no less? It\\\'s true that the StatusQuoIsGod, but sacrificing a Battlestar that\\\'s bigger, more heavily-armed and boasting a better tactical advantage (the ability to make new Vipers) is just stupid all around. [[NiceJobBreakingItHero Nice job breaking it, Lee.]]
** \\\'\\\'Sacrifice\\\'\\\'. Just... \\\'\\\'Sacrifice\\\'\\\' - or rather, its final scenes: after nearly two seasons of Billy and Dualla\\\'s on/off relationship and the episode\\\'s opening scene where he gives her his graduation ring, [[spoiler: Billy gets gunned down by the terrorists. So in the end, while Billy lies on a slab at the morgue with no one but Laura to mourn him, Dualla goes and checks on poor Lee who wasn\\\'t even hurt badly. Granted, Billy\\\'s actor wanted out to star in his own series - which didn\\\'t really go anywhere for him - but the horrible lack of setup for this development (scenes teasing Lee and Dualla\\\'s future relationship were filmed but cut for time) coupled with how little Dualla had interacted with anyone else at a personal level made her look like a cold, heartless bed-jumper who seemed all too glad Billy was removed from the picture so the Lee/Dualla pairing could unabashedly burn on-screen time. This troper was just too glad to see her blow her brains out - again, little to no foreshadowing to that twist either - nearly two seasons later after serving no purpose other than as Lee\\\'s obstacle to overcome before hooking up with Starbuck... again.]]
*** Removing Billy was the biggest case of WRITER-INDUCED DieForOurShip this troper has ever seen in a show. And they expected you to take it completely seriously! Billy was one of the few genuinely kind-hearted characters, and he\\\'s gone with barely a word. The kicker: They never mention him more than once or twice afterwards, EVER again. Throughout the entire series. They act like he was never there and Lee/Dualla were supposed to be a couple from the get-go.
*** Anastasia Dualla is one of the series\\\' biggest DMoS given human form. At least the third season finale made Lee Adama\\\'s formerly unbearable character more dimension. That other bitch never had a chance.
** This troper was hooked on the original \\\"Battlestar: Galactica\\\", when Cmdr. Adama had a scene in the original episode where he was heartsick about leaving people behind to die because he simply didn\\\'t have room on the ships for them. Then I stopped watching the show completely when about 6-8 episodes later, they re-did \\\"The Dirty Dozen\\\" with a crew of \\\"the worst criminals in the galaxy\\\" who were being held on the \\\"prison ship\\\". If Adama had known about the prison ship in the original episode, he would have spaced these guys in a heartbeat to make room for more women and children. It represented a complete DMoS on the part of the writers and producers of the show.
