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I admit I'm not quite seeing what you feel is Spider-Man
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I admit I\'m not quite seeing what you feel is Spider-Man \"clearly humiliating\" Bucky/Falcon.
I rewatched the Spidey/Bucky/Falcon fight scene prior to this reply and I saw the points I had raised.
a) Spidey initially has the advantage due to his superior strength/agility.
b) Bucky/Falcon are primarily focusing on trying to escape and want to get away from Spidey as quickly as possible.
c) As the fight continues, Falcon/Bucky as more experience fighters, start adapting to Spidey\'s abilities.
d) A new observation I had is that Falcon is hindered by
having to fly within an enclosed terminal that\'s not very high or wide, thus his flying ability is at a disadvantage. This gives Spidey a big advantage over Falcon that he did not have when dealing with the Vulture.
Their fight shows a give and take in the melee. Spidey starts with an advantage, then Bucky/Falcon double-team him, then Spidey gets a good web shot into Falcon\'s thrusters causing a crash. Spidey gets in a good web-swing that knocks Bucky/Falcon down to the next level and are then partially webbed up. However, Falcon has adapted to Spidey\'s attack and summons Redwing to entangle his arm and drag him out of the terminal before Spidey can fully web them up.
I agree that there is a bit of BadassDecay between \'\'Civil War\'\' (which is Spidey\'s introduction to the MCU and they were wanting to show him off a bit) and \'\'Homecoming\'\' (which had a more John Hughes high school film vibe).
However, I don\'t feel it\'s drastic enough to be considered a ret-con and as I pointed out earlier, the portrayal of Spidey\'s competency (due to his inexperience) is actually pretty consistent between these two films. I outlined my objective reasoning in the first part of this discussion.
Thus I felt the trope is properly qualified as a DownplayedExample of BadassDecay and altered the example to justify that.
I rewatched the Spidey/Bucky/Falcon fight scene prior to this reply and I saw the points I had raised.
a) Spidey initially has the advantage due to his superior strength/agility.
b) Bucky/Falcon are primarily focusing on trying to escape and want to get away from Spidey as quickly as possible.
c) As the fight continues, Falcon/Bucky as more experience fighters, start adapting to Spidey\'s abilities.
d) A new observation I had is that Falcon is hindered by
having to fly within an enclosed terminal that\'s not very high or wide, thus his flying ability is at a disadvantage. This gives Spidey a big advantage over Falcon that he did not have when dealing with the Vulture.
Their fight shows a give and take in the melee. Spidey starts with an advantage, then Bucky/Falcon double-team him, then Spidey gets a good web shot into Falcon\'s thrusters causing a crash. Spidey gets in a good web-swing that knocks Bucky/Falcon down to the next level and are then partially webbed up. However, Falcon has adapted to Spidey\'s attack and summons Redwing to entangle his arm and drag him out of the terminal before Spidey can fully web them up.
I agree that there is a bit of BadassDecay between \'\'Civil War\'\' (which is Spidey\'s introduction to the MCU and they were wanting to show him off a bit) and \'\'Homecoming\'\' (which had a more John Hughes high school film vibe).
However, I don\'t feel it\'s drastic enough to be considered a ret-con and as I pointed out earlier, the portrayal of Spidey\'s competency (due to his inexperience) is actually pretty consistent between these two films. I outlined my objective reasoning in the first part of this discussion.
Thus I felt the trope is properly qualified as a DownplayedExample of BadassDecay and altered the example to justify that.
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I admit I'm not quite seeing what you feel is Spider-Man
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I admit I\'m not quite seeing what you feel is Spider-Man \"clearly humiliating\" Bucky/Falcon.
I rewatched the Spidey/Bucky/Falcon fight scene prior to this reply and I saw the points I had raised.
a) Spidey initially has the advantage due to his superior strength/agility.
b) Bucky/Falcon are primarily focusing on trying to escape and want to get away from Spidey as quickly as possible.
c) As the fight continues, Falcon/Bucky as more experience fighters, start adapting to Spidey\'s abilities.
d) A new observation I had is that Falcon is hindered by
having to fly within an enclosed terminal that\'s not very high or wide, thus his flying ability is at a disadvantage. This gives Spidey a big advantage over Falcon that he did not have when dealing with the Vulture.
Their fight shows a give and take in the melee. Spidey starts with an advantage, then Bucky/Falcon double-team him, then Spidey gets a good web shot into Falcon\'s thrusters causing a crash. Spidey gets in a good web-swing that knocks Bucky/Falcon down to the next level and are then partially webbed up. However, Falcon has adapted to Spidey\'s attack and summons Redwing to entangle his arm and drag him out of the terminal before Spidey can fully web them up.
I agree that there is a BadassDecay between \'\'Civil War\'\' (which is Spidey\'s introduction to the MCU and they were wanting to show him off a bit) and \'\'Homecoming\'\' (which had a more John Hughes high school film vibe).
However, I don\'t feel it\'s drastic enough to be considered a ret-con and as I pointed out earlier, the portrayal of Spidey\'s competency (due to his inexperience) is actually pretty consistent between these two films. I outlined my objective reasoning in the first part of this discussion.
Thus I felt the trope is properly qualified as a DownplayedExample of BadassDecay and altered the example to justify that.
I rewatched the Spidey/Bucky/Falcon fight scene prior to this reply and I saw the points I had raised.
a) Spidey initially has the advantage due to his superior strength/agility.
b) Bucky/Falcon are primarily focusing on trying to escape and want to get away from Spidey as quickly as possible.
c) As the fight continues, Falcon/Bucky as more experience fighters, start adapting to Spidey\'s abilities.
d) A new observation I had is that Falcon is hindered by
having to fly within an enclosed terminal that\'s not very high or wide, thus his flying ability is at a disadvantage. This gives Spidey a big advantage over Falcon that he did not have when dealing with the Vulture.
Their fight shows a give and take in the melee. Spidey starts with an advantage, then Bucky/Falcon double-team him, then Spidey gets a good web shot into Falcon\'s thrusters causing a crash. Spidey gets in a good web-swing that knocks Bucky/Falcon down to the next level and are then partially webbed up. However, Falcon has adapted to Spidey\'s attack and summons Redwing to entangle his arm and drag him out of the terminal before Spidey can fully web them up.
I agree that there is a BadassDecay between \'\'Civil War\'\' (which is Spidey\'s introduction to the MCU and they were wanting to show him off a bit) and \'\'Homecoming\'\' (which had a more John Hughes high school film vibe).
However, I don\'t feel it\'s drastic enough to be considered a ret-con and as I pointed out earlier, the portrayal of Spidey\'s competency (due to his inexperience) is actually pretty consistent between these two films. I outlined my objective reasoning in the first part of this discussion.
Thus I felt the trope is properly qualified as a DownplayedExample of BadassDecay and altered the example to justify that.
Changed line(s) 1 from:
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I admit I'm not quite seeing what you feel is Spider-Man
to:
I admit I\'m not quite seeing what you feel is Spider-Man \"clearly humiliating\" Bucky/Falcon.
I rewatched the Spidey/Bucky/Falcon fight scene prior to this reply and I saw the points I had raised.
a) Spidey initially has the advantage due to his superior strength/agility.
b) Bucky/Falcon are primarily focusing on trying to escape and want to get away from Spidey as quickly as possible.
c) As the fight continues, Falcon/Bucky as more experience fighters, start adapting to Spidey\'s abilities.
d) A new observation I had is that Falcon is hindered by
having to fly within an enclosed terminal that\'s not very high or wide, thus his flying ability is at a disadvantage.
Their fight shows a give and take in the melee. Spidey starts with an advantage, then Bucky/Falcon double-team him, then Spidey gets a good web shot into Falcon\'s thrusters causing a crash. Spidey gets in a good web-swing that knocks Bucky/Falcon down to the next level and are then partially webbed up. However, Falcon has adapted to Spidey\'s attack and summons Redwing to entangle his arm and drag him out of the terminal before Spidey can fully web them up.
I agree that there is a BadassDecay between \'\'Civil War\'\' (which is Spidey\'s introduction to the MCU and they were wanting to show him off a bit) and \'\'Homecoming\'\' (which had a more John Hughes high school film vibe).
However, I don\'t feel it\'s drastic enough to be considered a ret-con and as I pointed out earlier, the portrayal of Spidey\'s competency (due to his inexperience) is actually pretty consistent between these two films. I outlined my objective reasoning in the first part of this discussion.
Thus I felt the trope is properly qualified as a DownplayedExample of BadassDecay and altered the example to justify that.
I rewatched the Spidey/Bucky/Falcon fight scene prior to this reply and I saw the points I had raised.
a) Spidey initially has the advantage due to his superior strength/agility.
b) Bucky/Falcon are primarily focusing on trying to escape and want to get away from Spidey as quickly as possible.
c) As the fight continues, Falcon/Bucky as more experience fighters, start adapting to Spidey\'s abilities.
d) A new observation I had is that Falcon is hindered by
having to fly within an enclosed terminal that\'s not very high or wide, thus his flying ability is at a disadvantage.
Their fight shows a give and take in the melee. Spidey starts with an advantage, then Bucky/Falcon double-team him, then Spidey gets a good web shot into Falcon\'s thrusters causing a crash. Spidey gets in a good web-swing that knocks Bucky/Falcon down to the next level and are then partially webbed up. However, Falcon has adapted to Spidey\'s attack and summons Redwing to entangle his arm and drag him out of the terminal before Spidey can fully web them up.
I agree that there is a BadassDecay between \'\'Civil War\'\' (which is Spidey\'s introduction to the MCU and they were wanting to show him off a bit) and \'\'Homecoming\'\' (which had a more John Hughes high school film vibe).
However, I don\'t feel it\'s drastic enough to be considered a ret-con and as I pointed out earlier, the portrayal of Spidey\'s competency (due to his inexperience) is actually pretty consistent between these two films. I outlined my objective reasoning in the first part of this discussion.
Thus I felt the trope is properly qualified as a DownplayedExample of BadassDecay and altered the example to justify that.
