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In TV tropes about Mary Sue, there is a line that says ( As this essay reveals, suspiciously Mary Sue-like characters were noted in subscriber-submitted articles for 19th-century childrens\' magazines, making this trope Older Than You Think. )

In TV tropes about Mary Sue, there is a line that says ( As this essay reveals, suspiciously Mary Sue-like characters were noted in subscriber-submitted articles for 19th-century childrens\' magazines, making this trope Older Than You Think. )

In TV tropes about Mary Sue, there is a line that says ( As this essay reveals, suspiciously Mary Sue-like characters were noted in subscriber-submitted articles for 19th-century childrens\' magazines, making this trope Older Than You Think. )

Before that line there was this line first : ( The name \"Mary Sue\" comes from the 1974 Star Trek fanfic A Trekkie\'s Tale. Originally written as a parody of the standard Self-Insert Fic of the time (as opposed to any particular traits), the name was quickly adopted by the Star Trek fanfiction community. Its original meaning mostly held that it was an Always Female Author Avatar, regardless of character role or perceived quality )

The essay reveals was this : http://www.merrycoz.org/papers/MARYSUE.xhtml
While the \" older than you think \" was this : http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/OlderThanTheyThink


And that what they wrote in the first link - The essay reveals - In the 19-cetunry part was this : ( Nineteenth-century versions appear in the pages of Robert Merry’s Museum. Founded in 1841 by Samuel Goodrich, by the time the magazine was absorbed by the Youth’s Companion in 1872 it had featured works by every major nineteenth-century American writer for children, from Goodrich to Alcott, Jacob Abbott, Mary Mapes Dodge, and Sophie May. It also published works by lesser literary lights, most notably the subscribers themselves, who made the magazine their own from 1857 to 1868. While boys tended to write non-fiction articles, girls most often wrote stories and poems—some about wonderful girls whose accomplishments and charms are tangibly appreciated by those around them. Emily Martin, who in 1862 saves a sleeping Indian chief from certain death by bear; Maia, whose gentleness and kindness are extolled by animals and elves in 1858; Unella, a white child raised by Native Americans in 1865, so lovable that she holds the entire village in a gentle thralldom; even little Ellen, who dies beautifully of her mother’s thoughtlessness in 1849—all have elements we associate with Mary Sue. )



Note : if you want to know more about that to help me, here is Mary Sue trope link http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MarySue )

fom what I understand, Mary Sues were pretty much older than we think and they were always there, but the term and the trope it self created in 70\'s by a fan or fans while in 19-th-century there was just too perfect characters without the name of this trope nor those definition of what a Mary Sue as now the fans made up, so simply there was Mary Sues in 19-th-century NOT the name of this term/trope or the definitions of it, there was no made up word for it nor a definitions by the fans unlike now, so the term is originally made up by someone but the \" too \" perfect was still there in the past, making this trope old and making the origins of Mary Sues old, not because the definitions or the term of Mary Sue was there but because there was too perfect characters back then, even without a name made up, it since we have a word for it we call old too prefect characters a Mary Sues.

Please answer me with a short question if I get it right or wrong without more information about that, or about this trope or this term, the only one thing I need to know did I get it right or wrong ? Since I\'m not too good at English

In TV tropes about Mary Sue, there is a line that says ( As this essay reveals, suspiciously Mary Sue-like characters were noted in subscriber-submitted articles for 19th-century childrens\' magazines, making this trope Older Than You Think. )
Before that line there was this line first : ( The name \"Mary Sue\" comes from the 1974 Star Trek fanfic A Trekkie\'s Tale. Originally written as a parody of the standard Self-Insert Fic of the time (as opposed to any particular traits), the name was quickly adopted by the Star Trek fanfiction community. Its original meaning mostly held that it was an Always Female Author Avatar, regardless of character role or perceived quality )
The essay reveals was this : http://www.merrycoz.org/papers/MARYSUE.xhtml
While the \" older than you think \" was this : http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/OlderThanTheyThink


And that what they wrote in the first link - The essay reveals - In the 19-cetunry part was this : ( Nineteenth-century versions appear in the pages of Robert Merry’s Museum. Founded in 1841 by Samuel Goodrich, by the time the magazine was absorbed by the Youth’s Companion in 1872 it had featured works by every major nineteenth-century American writer for children, from Goodrich to Alcott, Jacob Abbott, Mary Mapes Dodge, and Sophie May. It also published works by lesser literary lights, most notably the subscribers themselves, who made the magazine their own from 1857 to 1868. While boys tended to write non-fiction articles, girls most often wrote stories and poems—some about wonderful girls whose accomplishments and charms are tangibly appreciated by those around them. Emily Martin, who in 1862 saves a sleeping Indian chief from certain death by bear; Maia, whose gentleness and kindness are extolled by animals and elves in 1858; Unella, a white child raised by Native Americans in 1865, so lovable that she holds the entire village in a gentle thralldom; even little Ellen, who dies beautifully of her mother’s thoughtlessness in 1849—all have elements we associate with Mary Sue. )


Note : if you want to know more about that to help me, here is Mary Sue trope link http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MarySue )

fom what I understand, Mary Sues were pretty much older than we think and they were always there, but the term and the trope it self created in 70\'s by a fan or fans while in 19-th-century there was just too perfect characters without the name of this trope nor those definition of what a Mary Sue as now the fans made up, so simply there was Mary Sues in 19-th-century NOT the name of this term/trope or the definitions of it, there was no made up word for it nor a definitions by the fans unlike now, so the term is originally made up by someone but the \" too \" perfect was still there in the past, making this trope old and making the origins of Mary Sues old, not because the definitions or the term of Mary Sue was there but because there was too perfect characters back then, even without a name made up, it since we have a word for it we call old too prefect characters a Mary Sues.

Please answer me with a short question if I get it right or wrong without more information about that, or about this trope or this term, the only one thing I need to know did I get it right or wrong ? Since I\'m not too good at English

In TV tropes about Mary Sue, there is a line that says ( As this essay reveals, suspiciously Mary Sue-like characters were noted in subscriber-submitted articles for 19th-century childrens\' magazines, making this trope Older Than You Think. )
Before that line there was this line first : ( The name \"Mary Sue\" comes from the 1974 Star Trek fanfic A Trekkie\'s Tale. Originally written as a parody of the standard Self-Insert Fic of the time (as opposed to any particular traits), the name was quickly adopted by the Star Trek fanfiction community. Its original meaning mostly held that it was an Always Female Author Avatar, regardless of character role or perceived quality )
The essay reveals was this : http://www.merrycoz.org/papers/MARYSUE.xhtml
While the \" older than you think \" was this : http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/OlderThanTheyThink
From what I understood the trope name it self or the term name it self wasn\'t there in 19-th-century, because from reading the first link they meant that the too perfect characters was there back then but the term Mary Sue it self wasn\'t created yet, but there was Mary Sues without the term being there, is that right ? Did I get it right ?.
And that what they wrote in the first link - The essay reveals - In the 19-cetunry part was this : ( Nineteenth-century versions appear in the pages of Robert Merry’s Museum. Founded in 1841 by Samuel Goodrich, by the time the magazine was absorbed by the Youth’s Companion in 1872 it had featured works by every major nineteenth-century American writer for children, from Goodrich to Alcott, Jacob Abbott, Mary Mapes Dodge, and Sophie May. It also published works by lesser literary lights, most notably the subscribers themselves, who made the magazine their own from 1857 to 1868. While boys tended to write non-fiction articles, girls most often wrote stories and poems—some about wonderful girls whose accomplishments and charms are tangibly appreciated by those around them. Emily Martin, who in 1862 saves a sleeping Indian chief from certain death by bear; Maia, whose gentleness and kindness are extolled by animals and elves in 1858; Unella, a white child raised by Native Americans in 1865, so lovable that she holds the entire village in a gentle thralldom; even little Ellen, who dies beautifully of her mother’s thoughtlessness in 1849—all have elements we associate with Mary Sue. )


Note : if you want to know more about that to help me, here is Mary Sue trope link http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MarySue )

fom what I understand, Mary Sues were pretty much older than we think and they were always there, but the term and the trope it self created in 70\'s by a fan or fans while in 19-th-century there was just too perfect characters without the name of this trope nor those definition of what a Mary Sue as now the fans made up, so simply there was Mary Sues in 19-th-century NOT the name of this term/trope or the definitions of it, there was no made up word for it nor a definitions by the fans unlike now, so the term is originally made up by someone but the \" too \" perfect was still there in the past, making this trope old and making the origins of Mary Sues old, not because the definitions or the term of Mary Sue was there but because there was too perfect characters back then, even without a name made up, it since we have a word for it we call old too prefect characters a Mary Sues.

Please answer me with a short question if I get it right or wrong without more information about that, or about this trope or this term, the only one thing I need to know did I get it right or wrong ? Since I\'m not too good at English

In TV tropes about Mary Sue, there is a line that says ( As this essay reveals, suspiciously Mary Sue-like characters were noted in subscriber-submitted articles for 19th-century childrens\' magazines, making this trope Older Than You Think. )
Before that line there was this line first : ( The name \"Mary Sue\" comes from the 1974 Star Trek fanfic A Trekkie\'s Tale. Originally written as a parody of the standard Self-Insert Fic of the time (as opposed to any particular traits), the name was quickly adopted by the Star Trek fanfiction community. Its original meaning mostly held that it was an Always Female Author Avatar, regardless of character role or perceived quality )
The essay reveals was this : http://www.merrycoz.org/papers/MARYSUE.xhtml
While the \" older than you think \" was this : http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/OlderThanTheyThink
From what I understood the trope name it self or the term name it self wasn\'t there in 19-th-century, because from reading the first link they meant that the too perfect characters was there back then but the term Mary Sue it self wasn\'t created yet, but there was Mary Sues without the term being there, is that right ? Did I get it right ?.
And that what they wrote in the first link - The essay reveals - In the 19-cetunry part was this : ( Nineteenth-century versions appear in the pages of Robert Merry’s Museum. Founded in 1841 by Samuel Goodrich, by the time the magazine was absorbed by the Youth’s Companion in 1872 it had featured works by every major nineteenth-century American writer for children, from Goodrich to Alcott, Jacob Abbott, Mary Mapes Dodge, and Sophie May. It also published works by lesser literary lights, most notably the subscribers themselves, who made the magazine their own from 1857 to 1868. While boys tended to write non-fiction articles, girls most often wrote stories and poems—some about wonderful girls whose accomplishments and charms are tangibly appreciated by those around them. Emily Martin, who in 1862 saves a sleeping Indian chief from certain death by bear; Maia, whose gentleness and kindness are extolled by animals and elves in 1858; Unella, a white child raised by Native Americans in 1865, so lovable that she holds the entire village in a gentle thralldom; even little Ellen, who dies beautifully of her mother’s thoughtlessness in 1849—all have elements we associate with Mary Sue. )
which means from my understanding that there was Mary Sues in 19-century but the term it self the name of this trope it self wasn\'t there, the Mary Sue characters was there back then in 19-th-century making Mary Sue thing older than we think but not the name \" Mary Sue \" there was just too perfect characters nothing more or less, which means too perfect characters was always there, which we call them in our days Mary Sue by a someone in a fandom and the silly things start to came out after 70\'s and some people took this term too far, so since we have a term of too perfect character, even in 19-century, characters who are too perfect we can call them in our days Mary Sues, even if the term wasn\'t there back then, but the too perfect was still there, so originally the term Is made up, the too perfect was there even before the reason of this term came out in 70\'s, Mary Sues was still there even without the name of the trope or the term in the 19-th-century I really hope you answer me with simple small answer, thank you.
Note : if you want to know more about that to help me, here is Mary Sue trope link http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MarySue )

Please answer me with a short question if I get it right or wrong without more information about that, or about this trope or this term, the only one thing I need to know did I get it right or wrong ? Since I\'m not too good at English, so I don\'t want nothing more than an answer that tells me if I get it right or wrong that Mary Sues were pretty much older than we think and they were always there, but the term and the trope it self created in 70\'s by a fan or fans while in 19-th-century there was just too perfect characters without the name of this trope nor those definition of what a Mary Sue as now the fans made up, so simply there was Mary Sues in 19-th-century NOT the name of this term/trope or the definitions of it, there was no made up word for it nor a definitions by the fans unlike now, so the term is made up by someone but the \" too \" perfect was still there in the past, making this trope old, not because the definitions or the term of Mary Sue was there but because there was Mary Sues traits back then, even without a name made up, it since we have a word for it we call old too prefect characters a Mary Sues.

In TV tropes about Mary Sue, there is a line that says ( As this essay reveals, suspiciously Mary Sue-like characters were noted in subscriber-submitted articles for 19th-century childrens\' magazines, making this trope Older Than You Think. )
Before that line there was this line first : ( The name \"Mary Sue\" comes from the 1974 Star Trek fanfic A Trekkie\'s Tale. Originally written as a parody of the standard Self-Insert Fic of the time (as opposed to any particular traits), the name was quickly adopted by the Star Trek fanfiction community. Its original meaning mostly held that it was an Always Female Author Avatar, regardless of character role or perceived quality )
The essay reveals was this : http://www.merrycoz.org/papers/MARYSUE.xhtml
While the \" older than you think \" was this : http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/OlderThanTheyThink
From what I understood the trope name it self or the term name it self wasn\'t there in 19-th-century, because from reading the first link they meant that the too perfect characters was there back then but the term Mary Sue it self wasn\'t created yet, but there was Mary Sues without the term being there, is that right ? Did I get it right ?.
And that what they wrote in the first link - The essay reveals - In the 19-cetunry part was this : ( Nineteenth-century versions appear in the pages of Robert Merry’s Museum. Founded in 1841 by Samuel Goodrich, by the time the magazine was absorbed by the Youth’s Companion in 1872 it had featured works by every major nineteenth-century American writer for children, from Goodrich to Alcott, Jacob Abbott, Mary Mapes Dodge, and Sophie May. It also published works by lesser literary lights, most notably the subscribers themselves, who made the magazine their own from 1857 to 1868. While boys tended to write non-fiction articles, girls most often wrote stories and poems—some about wonderful girls whose accomplishments and charms are tangibly appreciated by those around them. Emily Martin, who in 1862 saves a sleeping Indian chief from certain death by bear; Maia, whose gentleness and kindness are extolled by animals and elves in 1858; Unella, a white child raised by Native Americans in 1865, so lovable that she holds the entire village in a gentle thralldom; even little Ellen, who dies beautifully of her mother’s thoughtlessness in 1849—all have elements we associate with Mary Sue. )
which means from my understanding that there was Mary Sues in 19-century but the term it self the name of this trope it self wasn\'t there, the Mary Sue characters was there back then in 19-th-century making Mary Sue thing older than we think but not the name \" Mary Sue \" there was just too perfect characters nothing more or less, which means too perfect characters was always there, which we call them in our days Mary Sue by a someone in a fandom and the silly things start to came out after 70\'s and some people took this term too far, so since we have a term of too perfect character, even in 19-century, characters who are too perfect we can call them in our days Mary Sues, even if the term wasn\'t there back then, but the too perfect was still there, so originally the term Is made up, the too perfect was there even before the reason of this term came out in 70\'s, Mary Sues was still there even without the name of the trope or the term in the 19-th-century I really hope you answer me with simple small answer, thank you.
Note : if you want to know more about that to help me, here is Mary Sue trope link http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MarySue )

Please answer me with a short question if I get it right or wrong without more information about that, or about this trope or this term, the only one thing I need to know did I get it right or wrong ? Since I\'m not too good at English, so I don\'t want nothing more than an answer that tells me if I get it right or wrong that Mary Sues were pretty much older than we think and they were always there, but the term and the trope it self created in 70\'s by a fan or fans while in 19-th-century there was just too perfect characters without the name of this trope nor those definition of what a Mary Sue as now the fans made up, so simply there was Mary Sues in 19-th-century NOT the name of this term/trope or the definitions of it, there was no made up word for it nor a definitions by the fans unlike now, so the term is made up by someone but the \" too \" perfect was still there in the past.

In TV tropes about Mary Sue, there is a line that says ( As this essay reveals, suspiciously Mary Sue-like characters were noted in subscriber-submitted articles for 19th-century childrens\' magazines, making this trope Older Than You Think. )
Before that line there was this line first : ( The name \"Mary Sue\" comes from the 1974 Star Trek fanfic A Trekkie\'s Tale. Originally written as a parody of the standard Self-Insert Fic of the time (as opposed to any particular traits), the name was quickly adopted by the Star Trek fanfiction community. Its original meaning mostly held that it was an Always Female Author Avatar, regardless of character role or perceived quality )
The essay reveals was this : http://www.merrycoz.org/papers/MARYSUE.xhtml
While the \" older than you think \" was this : http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/OlderThanTheyThink
From what I understood the trope name it self or the term name it self wasn\'t there in 19-th-century, because from reading the first link they meant that the too perfect characters was there back then but the term Mary Sue it self wasn\'t created yet, but there was Mary Sues without the term being there, is that right ? Did I get it right ?.
And that what they wrote in the first link - The essay reveals - In the 19-cetunry part was this : ( Nineteenth-century versions appear in the pages of Robert Merry’s Museum. Founded in 1841 by Samuel Goodrich, by the time the magazine was absorbed by the Youth’s Companion in 1872 it had featured works by every major nineteenth-century American writer for children, from Goodrich to Alcott, Jacob Abbott, Mary Mapes Dodge, and Sophie May. It also published works by lesser literary lights, most notably the subscribers themselves, who made the magazine their own from 1857 to 1868. While boys tended to write non-fiction articles, girls most often wrote stories and poems—some about wonderful girls whose accomplishments and charms are tangibly appreciated by those around them. Emily Martin, who in 1862 saves a sleeping Indian chief from certain death by bear; Maia, whose gentleness and kindness are extolled by animals and elves in 1858; Unella, a white child raised by Native Americans in 1865, so lovable that she holds the entire village in a gentle thralldom; even little Ellen, who dies beautifully of her mother’s thoughtlessness in 1849—all have elements we associate with Mary Sue. )
which means from my understanding that there was Mary Sues in 19-century but the term it self the name of this trope it self wasn\'t there, the Mary Sue characters was there back then in 19-th-century making Mary Sue thing older than we think but not the name \" Mary Sue \" there was just too perfect characters nothing more or less, which means too perfect characters was always there, which we call them in our days Mary Sue by a someone in a fandom and the silly things start to came out after 70\'s and some people took this term too far, so since we have a term of too perfect character, even in 19-century, characters who are too perfect we can call them in our days Mary Sues, even if the term wasn\'t there back then, but the too perfect was still there, so originally the term Is made up, the too perfect was there even before the reason of this term came out in 70\'s, Mary Sues was still there even without the name of the trope or the term in the 19-th-century I really hope you answer me with simple small answer, thank you.
Note : if you want to know more about that to help me, here is Mary Sue trope link http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MarySue )

Please answer me with a short question if I get it right or wrong without more information about that, or about this trope or this term, the only one thing I need to know did I get it right or wrong ? Since I\'m not too good at English, so I don\'t want nothing more than an answer that tells me if I get it right or wrong that Mary Sues were pretty much older than we think and they were always there, but the term and the trope it self created in 70\'s by a fan or fans while in 19-th-century there was just too perfect characters without the name of this trope nor those definition of what a Mary Sue as now the fans made up, so simply there was Mary Sues in 19-th-century NOT the name of this term/trope or the definitions of it, there was no made up word for it nor a definitions by the fans unlike now.

In TV tropes about Mary Sue, there is a line that says ( As this essay reveals, suspiciously Mary Sue-like characters were noted in subscriber-submitted articles for 19th-century childrens\' magazines, making this trope Older Than You Think. )
Before that line there was this line first : ( The name \"Mary Sue\" comes from the 1974 Star Trek fanfic A Trekkie\'s Tale. Originally written as a parody of the standard Self-Insert Fic of the time (as opposed to any particular traits), the name was quickly adopted by the Star Trek fanfiction community. Its original meaning mostly held that it was an Always Female Author Avatar, regardless of character role or perceived quality )
The essay reveals was this : http://www.merrycoz.org/papers/MARYSUE.xhtml
While the \" older than you think \" was this : http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/OlderThanTheyThink
From what I understood the trope name it self or the term name it self wasn\'t there in 19-th-century, because from reading the first link they meant that the too perfect characters was there back then but the term Mary Sue it self wasn\'t created yet, but there was Mary Sues without the term being there, is that right ? Did I get it right ?.
And that what they wrote in the first link - The essay reveals - In the 19-cetunry part was this : ( Nineteenth-century versions appear in the pages of Robert Merry’s Museum. Founded in 1841 by Samuel Goodrich, by the time the magazine was absorbed by the Youth’s Companion in 1872 it had featured works by every major nineteenth-century American writer for children, from Goodrich to Alcott, Jacob Abbott, Mary Mapes Dodge, and Sophie May. It also published works by lesser literary lights, most notably the subscribers themselves, who made the magazine their own from 1857 to 1868. While boys tended to write non-fiction articles, girls most often wrote stories and poems—some about wonderful girls whose accomplishments and charms are tangibly appreciated by those around them. Emily Martin, who in 1862 saves a sleeping Indian chief from certain death by bear; Maia, whose gentleness and kindness are extolled by animals and elves in 1858; Unella, a white child raised by Native Americans in 1865, so lovable that she holds the entire village in a gentle thralldom; even little Ellen, who dies beautifully of her mother’s thoughtlessness in 1849—all have elements we associate with Mary Sue. )
which means from my understanding that there was Mary Sues in 19-century but the term it self the name of this trope it self wasn\'t there, the Mary Sue characters was there back then in 19-th-century making Mary Sue thing older than we think but not the name \" Mary Sue \" there was just too perfect characters nothing more or less, which means too perfect characters was always there, which we call them in our days Mary Sue by a someone in a fandom and the silly things start to came out after 70\'s and some people took this term too far, so since we have a term of too perfect character, even in 19-century, characters who are too perfect we can call them in our days Mary Sues, even if the term wasn\'t there back then, but the too perfect was still there, so originally the term Is made up, the too perfect was there even before the reason of this term came out in 70\'s, Mary Sues was still there even without the name of the trope or the term in the 19-th-century I really hope you answer me with simple small answer, thank you.
Note : if you want to know more about that to help me, here is Mary Sue trope link http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MarySue )

Please answer me with a short question if I get it right or wrong without more information about that, or about this trope or this term, the only one thing I need to know did I get it right or wrong ? Since I\'m not too good at English, so I don\'t want nothing more than an answer that tells me if I get it right or wrong that Mary Sues were pretty much older than we think and they were always there, but the term and the trope it self created in 70\'s by a fan or fans while in 19-th-century there was just too perfect characters without the name of this trope nor those definition of what a Mary Sue as now the fans made up, so simply there was Mary Sues in 19-th-century , NOT the name of this term/trope or the definitions of it, there was not made up word for it nor a definitions by the fans unlike now.

In TV tropes about Mary Sue, there is a line that says ( As this essay reveals, suspiciously Mary Sue-like characters were noted in subscriber-submitted articles for 19th-century childrens\' magazines, making this trope Older Than You Think. )
Before that line there was this line first : ( The name \"Mary Sue\" comes from the 1974 Star Trek fanfic A Trekkie\'s Tale. Originally written as a parody of the standard Self-Insert Fic of the time (as opposed to any particular traits), the name was quickly adopted by the Star Trek fanfiction community. Its original meaning mostly held that it was an Always Female Author Avatar, regardless of character role or perceived quality )
The essay reveals was this : http://www.merrycoz.org/papers/MARYSUE.xhtml
While the \" older than you think \" was this : http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/OlderThanTheyThink
From what I understood the trope name it self or the term name it self wasn\'t there in 19-th-century, because from reading the first link they meant that the too perfect characters was there back then but the term Mary Sue it self wasn\'t created yet, but there was Mary Sues without the term being there, is that right ? Did I get it right ?.
And that what they wrote in the first link - The essay reveals - In the 19-cetunry part was this : ( Nineteenth-century versions appear in the pages of Robert Merry’s Museum. Founded in 1841 by Samuel Goodrich, by the time the magazine was absorbed by the Youth’s Companion in 1872 it had featured works by every major nineteenth-century American writer for children, from Goodrich to Alcott, Jacob Abbott, Mary Mapes Dodge, and Sophie May. It also published works by lesser literary lights, most notably the subscribers themselves, who made the magazine their own from 1857 to 1868. While boys tended to write non-fiction articles, girls most often wrote stories and poems—some about wonderful girls whose accomplishments and charms are tangibly appreciated by those around them. Emily Martin, who in 1862 saves a sleeping Indian chief from certain death by bear; Maia, whose gentleness and kindness are extolled by animals and elves in 1858; Unella, a white child raised by Native Americans in 1865, so lovable that she holds the entire village in a gentle thralldom; even little Ellen, who dies beautifully of her mother’s thoughtlessness in 1849—all have elements we associate with Mary Sue. )
which means from my understanding that there was Mary Sues in 19-century but the term it self the name of this trope it self wasn\'t there, the Mary Sue characters was there back then in 19-th-century making Mary Sue thing older than we think but not the name \" Mary Sue \" there was just too perfect characters nothing more or less, which means too perfect characters was always there, which we call them in our days Mary Sue by a someone in a fandom and the silly things start to came out after 70\'s and some people took this term too far, so since we have a term of too perfect character, even in 19-century, characters who are too perfect we can call them in our days Mary Sues, even if the term wasn\'t there back then, but the too perfect was still there, so originally the term Is made up, the too perfect was there even before the reason of this term came out in 70\'s, Mary Sues was still there even without the name of the trope or the term in the 19-th-century I really hope you answer me with simple small answer, thank you.
Note : if you want to know more about that to help me, here is Mary Sue trope link http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MarySue )

Please answer me with a short question if I get it right or wrong without more information about that, or about this trope or this term, the only one thing I need to know did I get it right or wrong ? Since I\'m not too good at English, so I don\'t want nothing more than an answer that tells me if I get it right or wrong that Mary Sues were pretty much older than we think and they were always there, but the term and the trope it self created in 70\'s while in 19-th-century there was just too perfect characters without the name of this trope nor those definition of what a Mary Sue as now the fans made up, so simply there was Mary Sues, NOT the name of this term/trope or the definitions of it.

In TV tropes about Mary Sue, there is a line that says ( As this essay reveals, suspiciously Mary Sue-like characters were noted in subscriber-submitted articles for 19th-century childrens\' magazines, making this trope Older Than You Think. )
Before that line there was this line first : ( The name \"Mary Sue\" comes from the 1974 Star Trek fanfic A Trekkie\'s Tale. Originally written as a parody of the standard Self-Insert Fic of the time (as opposed to any particular traits), the name was quickly adopted by the Star Trek fanfiction community. Its original meaning mostly held that it was an Always Female Author Avatar, regardless of character role or perceived quality )
The essay reveals was this : http://www.merrycoz.org/papers/MARYSUE.xhtml
While the \" older than you think \" was this : http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/OlderThanTheyThink
From what I understood the trope name it self or the term name it self wasn\'t there in 19-th-century, because from reading the first link they meant that the too perfect characters was there back then but the term Mary Sue it self wasn\'t created yet, but there was Mary Sues without the term being there, is that right ? Did I get it right ?.
And that what they wrote in the first link - The essay reveals - In the 19-cetunry part was this : ( Nineteenth-century versions appear in the pages of Robert Merry’s Museum. Founded in 1841 by Samuel Goodrich, by the time the magazine was absorbed by the Youth’s Companion in 1872 it had featured works by every major nineteenth-century American writer for children, from Goodrich to Alcott, Jacob Abbott, Mary Mapes Dodge, and Sophie May. It also published works by lesser literary lights, most notably the subscribers themselves, who made the magazine their own from 1857 to 1868. While boys tended to write non-fiction articles, girls most often wrote stories and poems—some about wonderful girls whose accomplishments and charms are tangibly appreciated by those around them. Emily Martin, who in 1862 saves a sleeping Indian chief from certain death by bear; Maia, whose gentleness and kindness are extolled by animals and elves in 1858; Unella, a white child raised by Native Americans in 1865, so lovable that she holds the entire village in a gentle thralldom; even little Ellen, who dies beautifully of her mother’s thoughtlessness in 1849—all have elements we associate with Mary Sue. )
which means from my understanding that there was Mary Sues in 19-century but the term it self the name of this trope it self wasn\'t there, the Mary Sue characters was there back then in 19-th-century making Mary Sue thing older than we think but not the name \" Mary Sue \" there was just too perfect characters nothing more or less, which means too perfect characters was always there, which we call them in our days Mary Sue by a someone in a fandom and the silly things start to came out after 70\'s and some people took this term too far, so since we have a term of too perfect character, even in 19-century, characters who are too perfect we can call them in our days Mary Sues, even if the term wasn\'t there back then, but the too perfect was still there, so originally the term Is made up, the too perfect was there even before the reason of this term came out in 70\'s, Mary Sues was still there even without the name of the trope or the term in the 19-th-century I really hope you answer me with simple small answer, thank you.
Note : if you want to know more about that to help me, here is Mary Sue trope link http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MarySue )

Please answer me with a short question if I get it right or wrong without more information about that, or about this trope or this term, the only one thing I need to know did I get it right or wrong ? Since I\'m not too good at English, so I don\'t want nothing more than an answer that tells me if I get it right or wrong that Mary Sues were pretty much older than we think and they were always there, but the term and the trope it self created in 70\'s while in 19-th-century there was just too perfect characters without the name of this trope nor those definition of what a Mary Sue as now the fans made up, so simply there was Mary Sues, NOT the name of this term/trope or the definitions.

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