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[001] KingZeal Current Version
13th May '16 at 04:57:21 PM
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Goku is unquestionably a {{Determinator}}. The only times (I'm aware of) that he's decided to stop fighting a villain is if he knows a better way to beat them. When Frieza proves how much he outclasses Goku, Goku gets an entire pep talk from Vegeta and then a HeroicSecondWind, saying he doesn't care how much stronger Frieza is and that he won't let him win.
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Goku is unquestionably a {{Determinator}}. The only times (I\'m aware of) that he\'s decided to stop fighting a villain is if he knows a better way to beat them. When Frieza proves how much he outclasses Goku, Goku gets an entire pep talk from Vegeta and then a HeroicSecondWind, saying he doesn\'t care how much stronger Frieza is and that he won\'t let him win.
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That was the absolute last time (as far as I'm aware) that Goku was so grossly outclassed and had no backup plan.
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That was the absolute last time (as far as I\'m aware) that Goku was so grossly outclassed and had no backup plan.
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As for Vegeta? I'd say no. Vegeta fought on Earth not out of sheer determination, but because he was convinced he was still stronger than everyone else. Even without his Ozaru form, Goku was down, and he was still stronger than Krillin, Gohan and Yajirobe combined. When Gohan turned Ozaru, he still thought he could win as long as he cut off his tail. After being crushed by Gohan, though? Nope. He ran.
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As for Vegeta? I\'d say no. Vegeta fought on Earth not out of sheer determination, but because he was convinced he was still stronger than everyone else. Even without his Ozaru form, Goku was down, and he was still stronger than Krillin, Gohan and Yajirobe combined. When Gohan turned Ozaru, he still thought he could win as long as he cut off his tail. After being crushed by Gohan, though? Nope. He ran.
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# Completely lost the will to fight Broly.
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# He tried to take Cell out with a SuicideAttack, but I hesitate to call that an example of determination.
# He FINALLY showed determination (I'd call it CharacterDevelopment) against Kid Buu, not staying down no matter how badly he was beaten.
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# He tried to take Buu out with a SuicideAttack, but I hesitate to call that an example of determination.
# He FINALLY showed determination (I\'d call it CharacterDevelopment) against Kid Buu, not staying down no matter how badly he was beaten.
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If we're talking about non-combat instance, Vegeta shows his determination in the following ways:
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If we\'re talking about non-combat instance, Vegeta shows his determination in the following ways:
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And I'd say that's about it.
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In this case, I\'m seeing \"Determinator\" as \"unwilling to stop giving it their all, even when there is no chance to win\". Goku has that, but Vegeta doesn\'t. Goku will still fight even if there is absolutely no hope. Vegeta won\'t.

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