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[003] HighCrate Current Version
22nd Nov '16 at 07:23:27 AM
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* AchillesHeel: Pharah's main gimmick is [[DeathFromAbove staying airborne and bombarding enemies from above.]] While this makes her relatively untouchable to most heroes (due to the majority of heroes having close-medium engagement range), snipers (and [=McCree=], to an extent) could take her out with ease as their weapons have pinpoint accuracy and suffer no damage falloff. Worse still, staying airborne means having no cover.
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* AchillesHeel: Pharah\'s main gimmick is [[DeathFromAbove staying airborne and bombarding enemies from above.]] While this makes her relatively untouchable to most heroes (due to the majority of heroes having close-medium engagement range), snipers (and [=McCree=], to an extent) could take her out with ease as their weapons have pinpoint accuracy and suffer no damage falloff. Worse still, staying airborne means having no cover.
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AchillesHeel is about a character who is otherwise NighInvulnerable having a specific weakness. I'd argue that Pharah isn't NighInvulnerable at all; she's strong only in specific situations that take best advantage of her flight, namely maps with very high or no ceiling. Put her in an enclosed space and she dies very quickly no matter who she's fighting.
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AchillesHeel is about a character who is otherwise NighInvulnerable having a specific weakness. I\'d argue that Pharah isn\'t NighInvulnerable at all; she\'s powerful only in specific situations that take best advantage of her flight, namely maps with very high or no ceiling. Put her in an enclosed space and she dies very quickly no matter who she\'s fighting.
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Additional niggles: this is phrased as though [=McCree=] has no damage falloff, but he does, meaning he's only deadly to Pharah within a certain range (longer than most but shorter than snipers'), and it's inaccurate to say that she has no cover in the air; several maps such as Numbani have tall buildings that she can hide behind.
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Additional niggles: this is phrased as though [=McCree=] has no damage falloff, but he does, meaning he\'s only deadly to Pharah within a certain range (longer than most but shorter than snipers\'), and it\'s inaccurate to say that she has no cover in the air; several maps such as Numbani have tall buildings that she can hide behind.
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* LogicalWeakness: Pharah's greatest strength is her ability to fly above the battlefield and rain down DeathFromAbove safely outside the range of the majority of the game's characters, but this positioning also makes her a prime target for snipers.
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* LogicalWeakness: Pharah\'s greatest strength is her ability to fly above the battlefield and rain down DeathFromAbove safely outside the range of the majority of the game\'s characters, but this positioning also makes her a prime target for snipers.
[002] wrm5
29th Mar '16 at 11:59:07 AM
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But turning into political debate isn't
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But turning into political debate isn\'t \"devolving.\" Political and ideological debate are important. They help us to grow and to learn, and to \"evolve\" into something more than what we are. By removing anything that can lead to a political debate all you\'re really doing is helping to propagate the dumbing down of society.

Though that\'s more of a problem I have with TVTropes in general... and to be fair, I get it. This is an entertainment site, not a politics site.

That said, what you\'re still failing to realize is this: \'\'StrawmanHasAPoint is a YMMV trope\'\'. Yes, my arguments are subjective. \'\'\'\'\'THAT\'S WHAT MAKES IT YMMV.\'\'\'\'\' It\'s opinion. She failed to prove to a significant portion of the audience, including me, that he\'s wrong. YMMV is all about opinions. Arguing that an opinion-based entry is invalid because it relies on opinion is like arguing that the ocean can\'t be comprised of water because it\'s too wet.

As for it being about politics... when we say that we don\'t want politics on the site, what we mean is that we don\'t want mindless political bickering on the site. Trying to proactively nuke any and all political things is idiotic, because in the end \'\'anything\'\' based on opinion could be argued to be \"political\" and could potentially turn into bickering.

And frankly, what\'s the fear? If it does turn into mindless bickering and edit-warring, well, that\'s what we have mods for. Do you know how much work it takes for them to fix such a war? NONE. Check it out - click - click - click - done. People are suspended, problems are reverted.

There\'s no need for this \"shoot first, ask questions never\" approach.
[001] wrm5
29th Mar '16 at 11:57:06 AM
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But turning into political debate isn't
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But turning into political debate isn\'t \"devolving.\" Political and ideological debate are important. They help us to grow and to learn, and to \"evolve\" into something more than what we are. By removing anything that can lead to a political debate all you\'re really doing is helping to propagate the dumbing down of society.

Though that\'s more of a problem I have with TVTropes in general... and to be fair, I get it. This is an entertainment site, not a politics site.

That said, what you\'re still failing to realize is this: \'\'StrawmanHasAPoint is a YMMV trope\'\'. Yes, my arguments are subjective. \'\'\'\'\'THAT\'S WHAT MAKES IT YMMV.\'\'\'\'\' It\'s opinion. She failed to prove to a significant portion of the audience, including me, that he\'s wrong. YMMV is all about opinions. Arguing that an opinion-based entry is invalid because it relies on opinion is like arguing that the ocean can\'t be comprised of water because it\'s too wet.

As for it being about politics... when we say that we don\'t want politics on the site, what we mean is that we don\'t want mindless political bickering on the site. Trying to proactively nuke any and all political things is idiotic, because in the end \'\'anything\'\' based on opinion could be argued to be \"political\" and could potentially turn into bickering.

And frankly, what\'s the fear? If it does turn into mindless bickering and edit-warring, well, that\'s what we have mods for. Do you know how much work it takes for them to fix such a war? NONE. Check it out - click - click - click - done. People are suspended, problems are reverted.

There\'s no need for this \"shoot first, ask questions never\" approach.

EDIT: Also, nice job comparing me to Neo-Nazis in your second post there. Very classy. And you wonder why I don\'t like you...

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