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[002] LastChronicler Current Version
21st Aug '16 at 09:45:58 PM
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To put it plainly, I've seen a few incorrect and misleading statements and assertions made on this page; specifically to do with Italian and English longsword.
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To put it plainly, I\'ve seen a few incorrect and misleading statements and assertions made on this page; specifically to do with Italian and English longsword.
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I recently edited the Italian longsword section to remove some baseless speculation on Fiore being a student of Liechtenauer, German and Italian longsword systems being 'very closely related' (How so? And in comparison to what?), and an assertion that German, Italian and English longsword arts aren't any different. All of the above points are quite controversial, to say the least:
* There's no evidence whatsoever that I've ever seen that Fiore ever studied with or under Johannes Liechtenauer.
* German and Italian longsword naturally have similarities, but significant differences too, and it's not very accurate to say/imply that they're interchangeable.
* Following on from the above point, not only is it rather debatable to reduce 'German' and 'Italian' systems to being practically identical, it's rather generous to even say that we ''have'' an English system of longsword today, given how fragmented our few sources on the subject are.
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I recently edited the Italian longsword section to remove some baseless speculation on Fiore being a student of Liechtenauer, German and Italian longsword systems being \'very closely related\' (How so? And in comparison to what?), and an assertion that German, Italian and English longsword arts aren\'t any different. All of the above points are quite controversial, to say the least:
* There\'s no evidence whatsoever that I\'ve ever seen that Fiore ever studied with or under Johannes Liechtenauer.
* German and Italian longsword naturally have similarities, but significant differences too, and it\'s not very accurate to say/imply that they\'re interchangeable.
* Following on from the above point, not only is it rather debatable to reduce \'German\' and \'Italian\' systems to being practically identical, it\'s rather generous to even say that we \'\'have\'\' an English system of longsword today, given how fragmented our few sources on the subject are.
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If I'm being too critical, I apologise, but given the care and attention to detail that has been given to the rest of the topics discussed on the European Swordsmanship page, I don't think that it's particularly helpful to simplify some systems to the point where we're just equating them to another system and leaving it at that.
On that note, I added what little I could to the Italian longsword section, but my knowledge of it is limited and I can do little more than parrot comments made by instructors who teach it. It's ready for people who know more to add more.
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If I\'m being too critical, I apologise, but given the care and attention to detail that has been given to the rest of the topics discussed on the European Swordsmanship page, I don\'t think that it\'s particularly helpful to simplify some systems to the point where we\'re just equating them to another system and leaving it at that.

On that note, I added what little I could to the Italian longsword section, but my knowledge of it is limited and I can do little more than parrot comments made by instructors who teach it. It\'s ready for people who know more to add more.
[001] LastChronicler
21st Aug '16 at 09:44:37 PM
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To put it plainly, I've seen a few incorrect and misleading statements and assertions made on this page; specifically to do with Italian and English longsword. I realise that this is only a TVTropes Useful Notes page, but I still have issues with it.
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To put it plainly, I\'ve seen a few incorrect and misleading statements and assertions made on this page; specifically to do with Italian and English longsword.
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I recently edited the Italian longsword section to remove some baseless speculation on Fiore being a student of Liechtenauer, German and Italian longsword systems being 'very closely related' (How so? And in comparison to what?), and an assertion that German, Italian and English longsword arts aren't any different. All of the above points are quite controversial, to say the least:
* There's no evidence whatsoever that I've ever seen that Fiore ever studied with or under Johannes Liechtenauer.
* German and Italian longsword naturally have similarities, but significant differences too, and it's not very accurate to say/imply that they're interchangeable.
* Following on from the above point, not only is it rather debatable to reduce 'German' and 'Italian' systems to being practically identical, it's rather generous to even say that we ''have'' an English system of longsword today, given how fragmented our few sources on the subject are.
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I recently edited the Italian longsword section to remove some baseless speculation on Fiore being a student of Liechtenauer, German and Italian longsword systems being \'very closely related\' (How so? And in comparison to what?), and an assertion that German, Italian and English longsword arts aren\'t any different. All of the above points are quite controversial, to say the least:
* There\'s no evidence whatsoever that I\'ve ever seen that Fiore ever studied with or under Johannes Liechtenauer.
* German and Italian longsword naturally have similarities, but significant differences too, and it\'s not very accurate to say/imply that they\'re interchangeable.
* Following on from the above point, not only is it rather debatable to reduce \'German\' and \'Italian\' systems to being practically identical, it\'s rather generous to even say that we \'\'have\'\' an English system of longsword today, given how fragmented our few sources on the subject are.
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If I'm being too critical, I apologise, but given the care and attention to detail that has been given to the rest of the topics discussed on the European Swordsmanship page, I don't think that it's particularly helpful to simplify some systems to the point where we're just equating them to another system and leaving it at that.
On that note, I added what little I could to the Italian longsword section, but my knowledge of it is limited and I can do little more than parrot comments made by instructors who teach it. It's ready for people who know more to add more.
to:
If I\'m being too critical, I apologise, but given the care and attention to detail that has been given to the rest of the topics discussed on the European Swordsmanship page, I don\'t think that it\'s particularly helpful to simplify some systems to the point where we\'re just equating them to another system and leaving it at that.
On that note, I added what little I could to the Italian longsword section, but my knowledge of it is limited and I can do little more than parrot comments made by instructors who teach it. It\'s ready for people who know more to add more.

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