Fire Emblem

Dumb question:

Do the extended Stat caps for Limit breaker go away if you remove it?

I mean, will their stats all go down by ten, or is it permanent once you've capped their stats while their at that point?

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Ding dong, you are wrong. He and Takumi were headed to Izumo along with some of the Hoshido army for unknown reasons and got separated during a battle with one of them falling into the Giant Chasm. That hardly counts as him 'buggering off without telling anyone' since people knew where he was prior to the battle. After that he did run off alone but could you really blame him for that when he was alone with no allies and his best option was to seek out the resistance?

Nope. Attacking the first large force they saw was entirely Kamui's plan as they're the one who brings up fighting them first. Hell his plan clearly wasn't dumb since it actually worked up to the point I'm at (the start of Chapter 20).

You forgot two things:

• The reason that Ryoma didn't contact the Hoshidans with the Avatar was probably because he didn't want to alert the Nohrians about the Hoshidans' alliance with the people of Cheve, lest Garon bring the full might of the Nohrian kingdom on the resistance.
• Storming an enemy kingdom with the monarch leading the charge is an age old '"Fire Emblem'' tradition. Also, if storming the kingdom goes poorly, it's all the player's fault anyway.

Sure, if your king is killed then things may go badly during the transfer of power, but can you trust a man who'd send others to fight and die where he wouldn't?

It's been fun.

but can you trust a man who'd send others to fight and die where he wouldn't?

Yes I would. That's what generals are for.

Dopants: He meant what he said and he said what he meant, a Ninety is faithful 100%.

I thought generals were meant to be physical meatshields, what with their high defense and all.

You need to remember, armies are like fifty guys tops in FE.

I sure said that!

Well, not really...but then again, no one really cares about the green NPCs, right?

That's more then enough when you are against someone with no healer. Oh, Ch 12 is gonna be such a pain it looks like.

No idea of what is going on.

That's why i liked Fire Emblem Tellius, for the most part the monarchs weren't on the front lines, even though they were all some degree of Badass anyway.

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Nope. They got into a fight with the Nohrians near the border, which happened to be near Izumo and the way the game frames it, it was not long after initial border skirmish. With word of mouth as slow as it is, he would have been missing for some time, so probably off in Cheve. And yes, post-battle, he totally buggered off without telling anyone. Running straight into enemy territory is hardly the best option, even if the resistance is a thing. There's no guarantee that they'd have the capacity to help him, or even trust this strange new guy, for that matter. And he's just one guy, so he goes off and finds the resistance and then what?

He certainly didn't object to it. Plus, he was the one who decided to charge into Nohr using the hidden tunnel in the first place. I've already brought up why their murdering their way through Nohr is dumb as hell too. Hint, hint: Leo swapped sides and bailed them out immensely by giving them the super plot device that teleports them to the Rainbow Sage. Had they gone through with the plan as was without Leo unexpectedly intervening, Xander would have destroyed them.

The fact remains that he was an idiot charging off into Nohrian territory by himself. The communication problem is entirely self-created and his own damn fault because he shouldn't have even been there in the first place.

Declaring that it's tradition doesn't make him look any less of a moron than the first three times you said it. Try again.

If his plan had ended catastrophically (reminder: it would have without Leo), that's two potential kings, three potential queens and Corrin dead. Six monarchs dead. Power transfer would be more than a little rough.

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Oh. That's great.

I guess I can remove it from some of the guys I've been using it on then.

Funny thing. Frederick hasn't capped any of his stats. It using a few items didn't do it.

I guess I can try re-classing him again, but I'm not sure if I want to. I've been doing this long enough to be honest.

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Fred's not really a good choice for Apotheosis. His EXP gain is pretty slow, which is why you're running into the issues you are. I'd recommend finding another character to fill the role you had planned for him.

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Damn. And I already put so much time into him too.

Then again, his stats are pretty high. I might still be able to use him for support.

Hmm. I'll see who I can find. I suppose I could work with Chrom. All this won't mean a thing if he gets MDK'ed out of nowhere.

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Seriously, at this point I'm pretty certain you're engaging in Ron the Death Eater. Nothing you've said has really proven that Ryoma was acting as recklessly as Shiro was in his paralogue. Charging into enemy territory by himself is reckless, but nowhere near as bad as what Shiro did. After all, Ryoma was cautious enough that the Nohrians had no idea he was in the area. That alone already shows that he didn't do something like charging up to Castle Krakenberg all by his lonesome armed only with the Raijinto.

Look, you are free to hate Ryoma all you want. I'm not going to take that from you. But don't say for a fact that he's a reckless idiot, because you have yet to establish it as absolute fact in a convincing way. There are many ways to interpret his actions; where you see extreme recklessness, I see as drastic decisions that paid off precisely because he didn't go about things with the extreme recklessness you are accusing him of.

edited 28th May '16 8:13:53 PM by dragonfire5000

Uh, no, I'm really not. You're using the trope wrong. I'm not pegging Ryoma as evil, just a reckless idiot. You've basically failed to actually respond to my points, making broad, sweeping invalidations without offering any counterpoints.

What the hell? So charging headlong into territory full of trained enemy soldiers is somehow less reckless than standing up to a gang of bandits? Both are suicidally stupid, yes, but I fail to see how the army is the less dangerous choice. Your logic baffles me.

Cautious or lucky? All it would have taken is one perceptive scout to ruin his day and even if he was cautious, being discovered isn't always avoidable and going behind enemy lines by himself was a huge, unnecessary risk. There's a reason soldiers work as teams.

I have Saizo on my side. Full stop.

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Nope. Check the scripts. It's outright said that Takumi and Ryoma were headed to Izumo with some troops when the fight happened.

You left out the part where he only led them through the tunnel because their safe house was under attack and it was their only method of escape without fighting their way through Nohr's army. That hardly counts as reckless.

You don't know that. The only thing that is confirmed in that scene is that doing so makes the travel time faster/makes it so the group doesn't have to backtrack.

Okay, I admit I forgot about that bit.

Which would have been fine if they didn't decide to press deeper into Nohrian territory. But they did, which made the situation no better than if they he tried to escape. In fact, it put them deeper behind enemy lines, which is much worse. Had they not engaged the other Nohrian forces, you might have had a point.

Actually, I do, for spoilery reasons. It's established later on that even with the Rainbow Sage's power, Corrin is no match for Xander. It takes Xander basically throwing his life away for Corrin to beat him. Imagine if Corrin didn't even have the Rainbow Sage's power. It's basically only another deus ex in Elise that prevents Xander from utterly murdering them. Aside from the spoilers, there's the fact that post-Rainbow Sage, they re-arrive at their initial spot after the Nohrian army had zeroed in on them and missed them because deus ex teleportation scroll. Again, imagine if the Nohrian army had actually found them there instead of them getting bailed out by Leo.

edited 28th May '16 8:49:36 PM by KuroiTsubasaTenshi

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How am I using the trope wrong? I've responded to your points perfectly fine, offering my interpretations of Ryoma's actions and showing why I think that they're not as bad as you are making them out to be. You have yet to offer any concrete proof that my interpretations are less valid than yours.

So do you have any proof that he was just lucky and not cautious? Concrete proof that Ryoma wasn't being careful, supported by stuff that happened in the game and is not colored by one's dislike for the character? Because if you don't, my interpretations of his actions are no less valid than yours.

The guy who was going to blow himself up, along with two of his comrades, and potentially the youngest royal sibling of Hoshido in an attempt to get rid of four people? Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's not so much as a full stop as a complete dive off a cliff.

edited 28th May '16 8:56:53 PM by dragonfire5000

Because Ron the Death Eater is for reinterpreting good-aligned characters as evil? I already explained this in the quote. You're the one trying to prove me wrong. It's not on me to provide anything other than counterarguments. I've refuted everything you've come at me with.

Ask Saizo. Aside from that, you also ignored the part where I addressed the case where I assumed he was trying to use some measure of caution. So let me spell it out again: a reckless, idiotic idea approached with caution is still a reckless, idiotic idea.

Consider that Ryoma is reckless enough for this same guy to call him reckless.

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I suspect some of what Ryoma does with the resistance is a leftover from a time when Scarlet actually mattered in the script.

I sure said that!

Wait, Scarlet mattering was actually a thing? Or is that speculation?

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Speculation. I need to be clear, I'm no data miner or leaker, I just try to make educated guesses.

I sure said that!

Hm, could have sworn that Ron the Death Eater also included purposefully reinterpreting a character as worse than they are in canon. That one's on me then. I apologize.

But you haven't refuted all of my points. Again, all you've shown are your reasons why you interpret Ryoma's actions as reckless and idiotic. I've pointed out how his actions weren't the product of extreme recklessness and the thoughts that could've been behind them. It's fine if you want to interpret Ryoma as idiotically reckless; after all, your interpretations are no less valid than my own. Just don't go about saying how it's an absolute fact when other interpretations are just as valid as yours.

Well, first of all, there's what I said here: as a response to you handwaving away Saizo's assessment of his own master. Whether you like it or not, it's there. And while I feel that's far too little calling out, it's still something and if we're only going on concrete stuff, that's all we really have.

And one other logical conclusion I want to draw here. It is actual fact that Ryoma wanders, all by himself, into hostile territory full of trained soldiers, yes? Similarly, it is fact that Shiro wanders, all by himself, into hostile territory full of unknown dangers. Regardless of the end results, both are huge risks. Therefore, the second cannot reasonably be called reckless without the first being called the same.

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