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MajorTom Eye'm the cutest! Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#124051: Mar 3rd 2015 at 6:57:12 PM

Liar. We both know you were thinking about scratching an itch.

EDIT: Why hello thar incomprehensible pagetopper!

edited 3rd Mar '15 6:57:49 PM by MajorTom

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#124052: Mar 3rd 2015 at 6:59:54 PM

Its like running your hand through your hair. Except instead of hair its half of your soul. And instead of your hand, you're sitting on it.

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Durazno Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#124053: Mar 3rd 2015 at 7:01:35 PM

[up][up]Youmu scratches her ghost half and lets out a deep sigh. "That hits the spot! Stupid bugs."

This raises many questions.

Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
One Winged Egret
#124054: Mar 3rd 2015 at 7:43:01 PM

Whenever I start to think that there is no less qualified than I to be working photoshop magic on scanslations, I remember that I got an 'A' in Computer Art in high school. Mostly for playing around on the computers. I'm pretty sure I beat Fire Emblem 6 in that class.

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atrican Warning! from Dumpster of History Since: Jun, 2012
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#124055: Mar 3rd 2015 at 9:18:10 PM

Keep in mind that prior to IAMP, Tasofro was known for stuff like Eternal Fighter Zero, which took a bunch of dating sim characters and put them into a fighting game because it was funny. Their specialty was essentially fighting game parodies of existing franchises. Viewed from that light, it makes sense that IAMP was a more traditional fighter, because it would naturally have been seen as a parody of Touhou moreso than a part of it.
EFZ was the only thing Tasofro had been making up until IAMP - they still kept updating EFZ some time after IAMP. According to Unabara, they considered making IAMP using the Astra Super Stars movement system (HM's system) from the very beginning; in his heart, that should be how a Touhou game plays. You can say they were not daring enough when making IAMP, but you can't say they were making a parody of Touhou in any meaningful sense of the word.

If you want to make the parody argument, the later Touhou fighting games seem to contain many more Tasofro-directed references to other fighting games than IAMP.

edited 3rd Mar '15 9:26:45 PM by atrican

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Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
One Winged Egret
#124056: Mar 3rd 2015 at 9:40:55 PM

Parody has many meaningful senses of the word. The one that comes to mind is "distorted imitation". Parodies don't have to be funny or anything. In this case, the fact that it's a fighting game with Touhou characters is enough to say it's a parody, or at least would be seen as such. IAMP's story is also notably half-assed compared to its successors.

atrican Warning! from Dumpster of History Since: Jun, 2012
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#124057: Mar 4th 2015 at 6:49:52 AM

I'm not too interested in talking about fighting game mechanics, but you sure have a funny way of saying "one of the most well-realized stories in the 20 years of Touhou Project".

Some Japanes fan(s?) have built an illustrated encyclopedia of Touhou. While all the wikis and fansites in different languages have done plenty of work, I still think their ebooks look pretty neat. Download the .zip file for the whole package (except for the changelog .txt).

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Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
One Winged Egret
#124058: Mar 4th 2015 at 11:04:11 AM

I'll admit that it's been years since I played the game, but "unknown character appears for the sole purpose of gathering a bunch of other characters against their will and thereby making them fight" is what I would consider the archetypical fighting game throwaway plot.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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Frostav Since: Nov, 2014
#124060: Mar 4th 2015 at 12:16:59 PM

Kasen is a hermit.

Most fans think that she's an oni,

Oni are youkai, and hermits are delicious to youkai because their flesh ascends a youkai to a higher form.

wild mass guessKasen gave in to her youkai instincts once and ate her arm and is now atoning for it (or at least ashamed of it.

This might be the dumbest theory I have ever come up with for anything, but it almost, almost makes sense. I mean, it's obviously not true, because it's patently ridiculous, but sometimes the fun in WMG'ing is seeing how absurd a theory can get if you take everything at face value.

Maybe ZUN could clear these things up if he didn't insist on endless Slice of Life adventures every chapter. Seriously ZUN. PLOT. It's been 24 chapters. Can we have a conflict that lasts longer than 2 chapters?

edited 4th Mar '15 12:18:35 PM by Frostav

Varśnāmi, nūdhrēmnāyīm eyī —"With the pen, I reach satisfaction"
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#124061: Mar 4th 2015 at 12:24:16 PM

Its implied that her arm is missing rather than gone. Whenever a mysterious arm shows up she goes to check it out.

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Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
One Winged Egret
#124062: Mar 4th 2015 at 12:27:12 PM

Also she's not a real hermit so I doubt she tastes delicious.

Frostav Since: Nov, 2014
#124063: Mar 4th 2015 at 12:30:26 PM

...I forgot about that.

But once again, we still know like...nothing about Kasen outside of vague implications. That works for when you're building a world, like what ZUN does with P Mi SS and So PM and the character profiles, but when you're writing an actual story you can't just endlessly string the reader along with tantalizing implications. We know that she's a hermit and a beastmaster with a ton of esoteric knowledge, and...what else?

His style also doesn't work when you add so many implications towards one thing that it's pretty much confirmed for a reveal. Kasen has had so many situations that imply she's an oni that there's practically no way she can be something else. At this point The Reveal will become The Un-Twist.

Looking back on it, "youkai hermit ate their own arm and is atoning for it" is actually a pretty cool character concept, but it's a bit too grimdark for canon Touhou.

[up]Wait, what?

I thought she was a hermit like Seiga. I've only read up to ch24.

edited 4th Mar '15 12:31:12 PM by Frostav

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Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
One Winged Egret
#124064: Mar 4th 2015 at 12:35:16 PM

In chapter 18, Komachi straight up asks her why she's pretending to be a hermit. If anyone would know the truth of the matter, it's Komachi. Also, rereading that chapter, I am a bad writer.

As for the "reveal" that Kasen is an oni, obviously it's not meant to be a twist at this point. It's more of a running gag. The comic assumes you know that she's an oni and works from there. The mystery is more about what her specific motivations are vis-a-vis her arm and breaking Gensokyo's barrier.

edited 4th Mar '15 12:38:03 PM by Clarste

AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
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#124065: Mar 4th 2015 at 12:36:21 PM

She's a rather hermit-like totally-not-an-oni, though.

Post-[up]-edit-edit: For some reason, people always seem to think that something that hasn't been explicitly stated will be a grand reveal when it's finally stated, rather than just confirming what was already assumed to be understood.

edited 4th Mar '15 12:43:28 PM by AnotherDuck

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Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
One Winged Egret
#124066: Mar 4th 2015 at 12:42:29 PM

Given who the other hermits are in this series, I would think she's actually not very hermit-like at all.

Otherarrow Since: Jul, 2010
#124067: Mar 4th 2015 at 12:45:53 PM

I think someone pointed out that Kasen is trying her hardest to act like the stereotype of what hermits act like, basically she is pretending using second hand knowledge as the basis for her charade.

It's a open secret for a reason.

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AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
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#124068: Mar 4th 2015 at 12:45:55 PM

I'm not sure there are many characters who're good to stand in place of a typical whatever it is they are. Or rather, we should probably never judge how typical someone is just going by the examples we've seen.

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#124069: Mar 4th 2015 at 1:06:22 PM

Right now I'd say Miko is the most hermit-like hermit, since she explicitly has 'become Celestial' as her endgoal.

Or at least, that's what she says. Politicians, you just can't trust them.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#124070: Mar 4th 2015 at 1:14:41 PM

[up][up] Except Nitori. She's so kappa.

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#124071: Mar 4th 2015 at 1:23:32 PM

At this point, the thing about Kasen is not trying to figure out who she really is, but about the details of who she really is. Is she just a regular oni, or something else (like a kishin)? Is her horns cut off or does she have small, round horns? What motivated her to pretend to be a hermit. Stuff like that.

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asterism from the place I'm at Since: Apr, 2011 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#124072: Mar 4th 2015 at 1:25:08 PM

Ibaraki-Douji was Shuten-Douji's second in command. Either his son or his wife or his lover or any combination.

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#124073: Mar 4th 2015 at 1:44:43 PM

Who's the girl next door living in a haunted mansion...?

Seriously though, The Witches' Ball in the style of Ashley's Song. It's great.

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AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
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#124074: Mar 4th 2015 at 1:51:36 PM

Interesting song. And funnily enough, the first picture in that video showed up on my background just now.

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