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He wants to do that on the penalty of Parson intruding on his territory, so he'll have both of them. As long as she belongs to GK, she functions as the bait. As long as the bait is not taken, she needs to stay non-claimed.

Lilith doesn't seem to have damaged any Charlescomm units here, so why would units be owed to Charlie? I mean, if units were really owed to Charlie, he could just take Parson.

Also, I didn't really notice before, but Marie says it's not time to use the scroll yet, which indicates that there's another unit she wants to heal with it. Lilith? More explosions coming through the portal?

Probably warlords and casters are ineligible (because Wanda would be extremely juicy too). Or his cost is incalculably high.

I'm basing this off the fact that Jack said the treasury is empty. And last we heard, there wasn't enough to fully cover the minimum penalty. So presumably CC should have been able to claim some of GK's units (in fact, Parson mentioned that apparently it would be enough to cost them a city).

Do we know if it's literally empty? Maybe he meant it's still empty, and nobody got any money from that shot. After all, Lilith was the one who fired it so it looks like Charlescomm isn't liable for hurting Gobwin Knob units, and none of the archons look harmed either.

Jack pulled up with an update, which means treasury's situation has changed. To empty. He didn't look like he was delivering good news either.

The treasury was already empty. Parson asked him what the treasury situation was and he replied that it was empty, meaning they know that Lilith was not harmed by Charlescomm but nothing else.

Last time we got an explicit account of the treasury it was at eighty-eight thousand. Lilith didn't attack any other Archons after that up until the RPG shot, so she must have hit something. Exactly what GK lost we'll find out later.

Edit: Oh, and causing material harm to the units, ''cities, property, or other assets'' of the other party counts as a treaty violation. I'm pretty sure blowing a giant hole in the base with a siege weapon and disabling the entire tower counts as "material harm" to the city of Charlescomm, so that was probably one treaty violation, and the treasury is empty (not just "almost empty") due to that, plus 412,000 Schmuckers worth of units/cities lost to make up for the treasury not holding enough to pay the full penalty. It does seem that she managed to avoid harming any other Charlescomm units, luckily for her.

However, gaining the guns and the corpse is probably worth it, especially if Lilith can get herself hurt and earn it all back again.

I'm interested by the fact that Charlie didn't take Lilith back. Perhaps he was distracted by the explosion and didn't specify? Or what Adannor suggested, that he still wants Lilith as an enemy unit to bait Parson into coming through the portal.

edited 8th Dec '15 12:12:09 PM by Shinziril

Which is basically empty. Remember, they had several million schmuckers before this and were the richest side apart from Charlescomm.

It was nearly empty. Parson didn't ask Jack about treasury, Jack went up to him first to inform of it, which implies that the status changed.

Also "no changes" wouldn't get the same reaction.

Reading it again, guess so. That's odd.

Charlie seemed to be unwell after being dumped offdish. He may not be able to claim his compensation yet.

The contract works automatically, requiring no active effort on the part of either signatory to enforce its terms. Charlie is incapacitated, however. Permanently. It's part of his cheating death deal with regard to the poppies.

edited 8th Dec '15 2:32:29 PM by Fighteer

True but if there's a choice aspect to the picking of what he gets then it may require his input for that aspect.

Oooh, remember how Charlie reacted when Lilith started talking about how he looks? She may be able to taunt the archons in the portal room with that now.

Well, for the time being, it looks as if Gobwin Knob is trading a boopload of firepower for a very significant material penalty in ways we don't yet know.

edited 10th Dec '15 10:05:46 PM by Fighteer

It also confirms that non-monetary penalties have to be requested "Manually" as it were.

Makes me wonder how long you get to claim them. Could someone plausibly hold off until an attack was underway and then claim significant units from the attacking force as back-pay?

A-ha, so GK didn't loose any units yet, Charlis needs to present the claim once he's online.

Now I wonder if they can pay the rest of cash if they get some in a hurry (loan from thinkamancers perhaps)

At the risk of Tempting Fate, how bad can the claim be anyway? At least, compared to what we already know about it. Parson already knows Charlie's going to claim some of GK's cities/units (maybe even claim Parson himself, unless he's considered too expensive), it's hard to see how the claim could be much worse than that...unless perhaps he doesn't know Charlie can choose what to claim.

On a side note, Marie mentioned that it's still not time to use the mass Healomancy scroll yet. Which might imply there's worse to come in just this day...

edited 12th Dec '15 4:39:05 AM by ashnazg

Well for example he can claim the dragon which Stanley rode out on.

edited 12th Dec '15 5:03:49 AM by Adannor

It all depends on the value of units/cities.

Stanley is the leader of GK, and an Arkentool wielder. He can't be claimed (this would end his side), and even if he could be claimed his value is just too high (way beyond 412k smuckers).

Wanda can't be claimed either: she, alone, is worth several millions (heck, she probably has more worth than Stanley thanks to her decrypted army).

Parson is probably worth quite a few millions too (if only because of the cost of his summoning spell), so he should be OK.

Now, the casters: Maggie, Jack, Sizemore, Ace. Depending on how much they are worth, they could very well be claimed by Charlescomm. And they all could share important intel about GK (unless they are able to keep such intel secret thanks to previous Loyalty or something else). Not to mention that Parson will not like it at all if Charlie decides to pick any of them (he is close to all of them, and GK needs Ace to replicate the guns - also, Ace is decrypted).

What's left? Artemis (a Warlord is a valuable unit - and she is decrypted), Dwagons, Elves, other units.

edited 12th Dec '15 8:58:10 AM by NonoRobot

The story likes taking away Parson's advantages, so I could see all the decrypted magic kingdom units getting snatched up. Which would be a very bad thing to happen right now.

If Charlie claims any of the units in the MK it could change the game significantly.

But the other thing we don't know is what happens to his outstanding claim if Lilith is damaged by his side.

edited 12th Dec '15 10:48:54 AM by Michael

He was talking about claiming Lilith before, so that's probably part of the plan. She's probably not enough to cover the entire debt, though. They're really gonna need to goad the Archons into attacking before Charlie gets a chance to do anything, though- there are a lot of really nasty things Charlie might be about to do.

I'm not sure claiming Lilith would help at this point. She might kill herself if he did or immediately turn.

Oh, come to think of it, the Loyalty mechanic basically guarantees that Charlie can't take too valuable of a unit with this. Except maybe Wanda.