The Dresden Files

Wait, what's this theory again?

I assume standard Mary Sue stuff.

Sure sounds like it

edited 26th Sep '17 5:31:44 AM by HailMuffins

@rik: As others have mentioned, the point is that you can sweep the unsavory stuff Hades did under the rug without too much trouble, but they haven't made big enough rugs for Zeus. True, there are plenty of Olympians, but considering by and large we've only gotten one or two reps for major pantheons (Hades, Odin, so on), if they include the Olympians further they're probably gonna include them all, and will have to deal with the fact that a majority of them are petty assholes.

Given Dresdenverse concepts about the power of belief and memory, I wonder if Tom Hiddleston made Dresdenverse Loki stronger.

Probably not much more than Marvel did before

A better question would be: is Thor gonna have red hair or blond hair when he appears?

Strawberry Blonde

Betterer quetion: Did Thor REALLY challenge Jesus to a duel?

Where's that from?

Heard about it. Apparently, there's a story (probably from when Christianity was first moving up north) that Thor had challenged Jesus to a duel, and The Latter failed to show up.

I can see Thor at his prime challenging Michael to a duel and getting his ass kicked.

Could be simbolic of how the old Norse religions gave way to Christianity in the Middle Ages. A Batalha do Apocalipse did something similar, where the Angels went to war with all manner of pagan gods, winning in the West but being defeated in the East

edited 26th Sep '17 5:38:27 PM by HailMuffins

In more popular references to that: Magnus Chase And The Gods Of Asgard

eh, again: White God does not automatically equate Christianity (or the other Abrahamic), until proven otherwise I assume it's more a unintended side effect.

As for Michael Vs Thor, the White God's people don't really seem the type to waste time on upmanship so I doubt they'd fight just to show who's better

edited 27th Sep '17 2:19:41 AM by 3of4

Also, even in his prime Thor had maybe two million worshippers at the height of his influence.

At that point, the White God was already the dominant religion in continental Europe and had been for centuries.

If we assume that worship = power/responsibility, then Michael would still absolutely whoop Thor's ass.

edited 27th Sep '17 3:35:58 AM by math792d

You're also assuming that Michael is able to channel/benefit from all of that power. Michael and the other Knights are more agents of the divine rather than directly empowered avatars. Where as in a hypothetical matchup Thor would have access to his full array of power.

Also one of the benefits the Knights gets seems to be that probability bends in their favour a lot of the time (eg Michael not getting hit in the heart when he was shot) and Mjollnir is enchanted to never miss. It could be a case of God: Sorry dude, multiplying a zero chance of that thing missing is still zero. I'm not going to lie, it's going to hurt.

I'm pretty sure we're talking about Michael the archangel, not Michael the carpenter with the suspiciously apropos name.

And Michael the archangel generally has some levels on Thor in Shin Megami Tensei, so clearly the match is in the former's favor.

Michael Carpenter in his prime managed to kill a dragon, so I'd give him at least some chance against Thor.

That would imply the dragon ever had a chance against Thor. It depends on the dragon and where he descended from. If the World Serpent had babies, then yes, Michael killing a kid of the World Serpent would put him high on the power levels. I forget, do we really ever see his powers brought to bear against anything except for the Denarians?

Michael killed a Dragon (the upper case is important), so yeah, I'd say he has a pretty good chance of fighting Thor if the latter gets within range of the Sword of the Cross' power.

It also depends on Thor being in the wrong, or at least going against the White God's principles.

Just to clerify: I was talking about Michael the Archangel.

Now, It's important to remember the Knights only have that much power when thay are on special missions from God. It's not something they can use as they wish.

and the Dragon in question had very much been Corrupted and turned to human sacrifice and cultism.

If it's the angel, I'm pretty sure he'd kick Thor's ass, if he had the agency.

At the risk of pointing out the obvious, the Dresden Files takes place in a world where the Judeao-Christian mythos is actually true while pagan religions are apparently real but not true. In the case of being that Hecate is a former fairy who ascended according to Bob. Likewise, Odin is a King of Winter but not ruler of the cosmos. In this reality, Odin or Zeus didn't make the world but Yahweh.

Which is just how the universe rolls, same way as Eru in The Lord of the Rings or Supernatural.

So, yeah, my money is Michael.

edited 28th Sep '17 12:49:26 PM by CharlesPhipps

Odin was a god at one point, he just retired. The whole Kris Kringle thing came after.

He points out in Skin Game that he's two different entities legally residing in the same body.