BlazBlue: General thread.

Notably, he didn't say anything about Teru-

OH MY GOD HE IS TERUMI

All the people I've seen who loathe anime are also homophobic.

Oh wait. This is the same guy who said that Sakurai lied when he said that they never deliberately give any characters any kind of preference, because Meta Knight was overpowered in Super Smash Bros Brawl. As we all know, it's completely impossible to make honest mistakes in the development process. He also said that accepting Marth or Jigglypuff in Smash Bros because they're popular in Japan is bullshit because why should we care what the Japanese think?! I mean, it's not like it's a Japanese game, designed to appeal to its home country as well as other countries.

Up top, it says is looks at video games in a "different" way, so he likely is a troll.

edited 21st Jul '14 6:10:28 PM by doctrainAUM

TERUMIIIIIII

Anyway, something I thought of.

Doesn't Hazama have a life-link with Noel?

I actually read that blog, but not starting with Blaz Blue. No, I saw all the shit he had to spew about Sonic (both Lost World and Sonic Boom, or Lost Mind and Sonic Doom as he calls them). How strange Weiss compared him to Terumi; if you ask me, after a few reads, both of them become predictable.

I said Terumi but i meant Hazama,because i have this habit of calling Hazama "Terumi". But i get what you mean.

edited 21st Jul '14 5:56:46 PM by Weiss

...They are the same guy and have only a minute different in mannerisms (Terumi is more aggressive).

Why make the distinction? Characterwise, they are more or less interchangeable.

Next you are going to apologize for talking about Tsubaki, as a character and not a fighter, when you meant Izayoi?

....Sorry, nitpick, I know.

"Reminds me of people who look at an abstract painting and shout, 'THAT'S NOT ART!'"

THAT'S ME!

I laughed at the Hellboy thing, though......

Technically speaking, Hazama & Terumi are different characters now, whether we like it or not.

Speaking of, man using Hazama as the Training Dummy for Ragna will never get old, doing combos feels so satisfying when he's shout the meanest of shit.

I always use Platinum as a training dummy. Sometimes I even wait for her to say "Don't underestimate Luna!" so I can whup her pedophile-magnet ass twelve ways to Sunday.

Eh? From my understanding, even in CP, Hazama and Terumi are still the same guy, just...there is two of them at once. Because plot.

The version I've been told is that the figure identified as "Terumi" is Terumi from the Dark War, while "Hazama" is Terumi in the present day, and they exist alongside each other because plot. Hakuman using Time Killer on one also kills the other, so even the setting considers them the same guy.

This is how it goes: Terumi is a ghost. Hazama, like Kazuma, is an artificial body for Terumi to inhabit, but is in fact sentient on his own and possibly even had his own life previously.

The version I've heard is that Hazama was created for the sole purpose of Terumi having a body to inhabit when Takamegahara released him from the boundary. For all we know, Relius didn't even bother turning the thing on until he had to (since it's established that the two don't actually like each other. I don't think Relius could stand hanging out with a Terumi unless he needed to. Maybe that's why Kazuma was made opposite in personality.)

Also, I am pretty sure that Terumi without a body is pretty much incapable of inhabiting the physical world on his own. At most, he can nibble on memories and possess people. Also, Relius had to out and out kill Hazama in order for Terumi to even leave the body (he got better).

Also note that, unlike Kazuma, Hazama and Terumi are exactly alike in personality, and, again, the setting itself considers them the same guy. Hakuman using Time Killer on Terumi causes Hazama to drop dead (though there does seem to be a delay). If they are indeed separate people somehow, clones or no, Hakuman Time Killering Terumi shouldn't have effected Hazama at all.

That's like if he used the move on Nu, and suddenly Noel dropped dead.

(Also, this is an aside, but I think the original intention was for Kazama to be Hazama pre-Terumi possession, considering their similar names and how Hazama even turns into Kazama when Amane'd, but further expansion on the Six Heroes plot rendered this unworkable, since they established that the Kazama body was killed in order to seal Terumi into the Boundary. The introduction that Hazama was a second clone Terumi body seems to be a kinda "just roll with it" deal. Relius is bad with names it seems.)

edited 21st Jul '14 7:15:42 PM by Otherarrow

From what I saw, Hazama got stabbed by Platinum, which stunned Terumi, leaving him wide open for Time Killer.

Also, it was specifically stated that Terumi was seperated from Hazama, while at the same time still being bound to Hazama.

That is confusing. So they feel each other's pain and Time Killer erases them both...but Terumi is split off from Hazama (who is otherwise Terumi in every way, give or take an allergy to cats) and they are considered separate characters except when they aren't....I dunno what to take from that.

Also, the story already established that time travel clones were a thing, so was creating a plot hole by tech babbling a separate Terumi really necessary when you could, I dunno, get a time travel clone of Terumi from the Dark War? (Who happens to look and act identical to the separate Terumi, down to the coat, despite ALSO being in a cloned body)

Blaz Blue's plot is a mess.

edited 21st Jul '14 7:23:01 PM by Otherarrow

In the Six Heroes story route, "Hazama" is identified as the body, but everyone else just treats him and Terumi as the same. There's a clear difference in personality though.

I dunno, I really do question the logic of making those two seperate when the cast doesn't even really acknowledge it.

No. It was specifically stated that just normally separating him from Hazama would let him get away easily and make him very hard to kill, so that's why they made him still bound to Hazama, but separated. This was mentioned in the Six Heroes story.

So why did Jin ask Hakumen if Hazama existed in his timeline, or if it really was "Hazama"?

How confusing. So...uhh...Hazama and Terumi are interchangeable, until they aren't?

Also, how different are they? CS likewise had Hazama-as-Hazama and Hazama-as-Terumi as pretty much identical characterwise, at most, Terumi was less restrained (because he had no more reason to be).

Also, sorry if this is a dumb question, but why is Terumi-the-separate-guy-maybe even in story mode outside of flashback stuff? Does he accomplish anything, or is he literally just there to shill the DLC, then die? Would the main story be changed significantly at all by removing him and putting Hazama in his place?

I got to wondering, since all of this Hazama/Terumi stuff seems really convoluted and I honestly can't think of why it's necessary.

I don't know if it'll help, but back in pre-CT times, Jin was on one side of a barrier Celica erected and Terumi on the other; the barrier was there to keep unwanted guests like Terumi out. This was a problem for him, since even if he could go through as he is, Celica's anti-seithr power would cause him to shut down, so he needed Jin to shear it using Yukianesa (how Saya got her hands on it, we don't know, but Jin got it from her). While Jin did that, he leapt on the blade to eject from the Hazama body, hijacked Jin's body, and the rest was history.

Basically, even if the Hazama body is utterly destroyed, Terumi could find refuge in another body, and having to kill him by fragging every potential body is impractical; to circumvent this, Rachel and Trinity use Jubei's Sekigan to observe Terumi's consciousness and give it physical form so they can kill him with much less mess. Kind of like the ending to La-Mulana, for those who have played it.

Ah I see. OK, now it makes more sense to me.

Before, it was like "Terumi is separate and he is now solid despite him being incorporeal outside of Hazama body in all other appearances" but now it's like...OK, they actually used magic whatever to make Terumi corporal, so they could kill him without him body jumping.

...though I am not sure how that was necessary, since Hakuman's Time Killer just flat out killed his existence period, to the point where even his clone dropped dead.

It still seems like a "if you just were going to do this, why do all the runaround of doing all that other stuff?" It makes the "let's give Terumi two bodies, more or less" plot seem pointless and just plain dangerous.

Okay, here is the gist of it.

Terumi has a TON of insurance with his name on it. In his natural state, he is basically untoucahble as a ghost, which he is basically all the time. In order to do the stuff he does, he needs a body. A willing person at that. Almost all of Terumis actions have been done through Hazama, a body made just for Terumi by Relius.

What Rachel did was switch things up a bit by basically making Hazama Terumi and Terumi Hazama. Because ghost Terumi is no longer a ghost, all his insurance means didly squat, and now he can actually be killed. Hazama also cannot live without Terumi, so that's why they both go ka poof.

Baka Tsuki has Phase Shift 1 translated. Might help explain a few bits.

Yea, that's the gist of it. Hazama and Terumi's minds are still merged, even if they're bodies aren't. And they take "focus" depending on who's in control, like when Terumi was fighting Hakumen in the CP true ending, Hazama didn't notice when Trinity snuck up on him. Or why when Hazama got spellbound by Trinity, Terumi was also immobilized.

Basically, it's Synchronization.

So basically...they are still one guy. Just in two bodies.

And since it's still one mind, one of them just kinda zones out while the other is doing stuff, and any pain one feels is felt by the other. If one dies, the other dies.

I think I gotcha.