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Remenber when I said about SJW being dramatic? I still remenber how some feminist said blurred lines was the most sexist song in the US, I hear the song and....really? THAT is the most sexist song? considering how here in latin america have tu suffer with reggeaton(a sexist genre if it was one) I almost said "check your privilage". ughh

As far I remenber feminist SWJ have some problem with trangender people and trans male misoginy, or something about it, Tumblr can be weird

Untrue. I can tell you it's quite the opposite.

Yeah, the SJ people I follow/hear from have no problem with trans people. The closest thing I can think of that you could be referring to is when the person who actually is a transman talks about how being perceived as male rather than female has tangible social advantages that they noticed when they transitioned.

That depends, again, with the usage of the terms SJ or SJW. Most non-shithead people are fine with trans people.

TERFs are not that uncommon in Tumblr, sadly.

edited 20th Nov '14 2:29:27 PM by LogoP

Please, look up the term truscum and how it's used then come bad and tell about how not-transphobic SJ Ws are.

edited 20th Nov '14 2:48:57 PM by shoboni

Uh... 'truscum' is a word used for trans people who bully other trans people for not being 'trans enough'. I'm not sure why disagreeing with that is such a heinous thing.

TER Fs and SJ people are not the same group. In my experience they despise each other. Just because they're all on Tumblr doesn't mean they're the same.

edited 20th Nov '14 2:51:32 PM by LoniJay

Oh boy, here we go.

Ooh! I could tell you about that! But then I'd get banned for importing drama when I show how I learned about it.

So instead, My new favorite Tumblr blog

edited 20th Nov '14 2:53:55 PM by maxwellelvis

No, it's not. It's used to attack people that think being trans isn't a choice and that you have to have dysphoria to be transgender. The people that use it are often those that wear other people's identities as fashion statements.

Also, in any other case we'd call someone that thinks gender or sexuality is a choice a bigot but I guess SJ Ws can get away with because they're "progressive".

Also, SJ Ws don't belong in SJ either but that doesn't mean they aren't in there crapping the place up for everyone else.

edited 20th Nov '14 2:55:35 PM by shoboni

Um, those people are basically calling transgender people diseased. From my experience anyways.

No they're not, and thank you for insulting everyone who has any kind of medical condition that deals with the mind from depression to autism by calling them "diseased", I'm sure that's not insulting at all.

You also just implied gender-reassignment surgery(the treatment for dysphoria via matching the body to the gender identity) is purely cosmetic and has no medical value because someone can just decide they don't want to be trans and thus don't need it.

edited 20th Nov '14 3:01:18 PM by shoboni

Uh. That is not my experience. I've never seen any SJ types claim that being trans is a choice. EDIT: Whoa, dude, I have never seen anybody claim that ever. Nobody says that. I don't think you know what these 'SJW' you hate actually believe.

Generally the way it goes that I've seen is that 'truscum' claim that if you haven't had surgery to give you the organs you want, or at least are planning to or would like to have surgery in the future, then you aren't a 'real' trans person. Whereas SJ people focus more on your gender identity (i.e. mental) and don't actually care what you have or want to have in your pants.

It's an argument about what exactly the definition of 'trans' is, but I don't think you could use it to claim SJ people are 'transphobic'. They're fine with trans people.

I admit I'm somewhat hesitant to get into a discussion on this, though, because trans stuff is not really an area that I make a habit of talking about (clueless cis person).

edited 20th Nov '14 3:07:49 PM by LoniJay

Leaving aside all adjectives, since this isn't really my fight anyway: truscum is the first-pejorative-then-appropriated term for those who believe you need gender dysphoria to be trans. Yes?

Did I say they're diseased? No. No I didn't.

edited 20th Nov '14 3:09:48 PM by maxwellelvis

Except I've repeatedly seen the exact opposite of what you described and seen posts saying cis-people should choose to be trans come across my dash all the time and see people called truscum for saying it requires dysphoria all the time(just ask the trans-mod on Ugh Social Justice, one of the RSJ blogs)

Never have I seen someone claim you have to want surgery to be trans, just that you have to dysphoria(because that's kind of the point, you gender doesn't match your physical sex)

Yes, and it's often used as an insult by SJ Ws now.

You said saying someone has to have dysphoria means that, thus implying you consider having it being diseased.

edited 20th Nov '14 3:13:16 PM by shoboni

"Truscum" = trans medicalist, i.e. it's a medical condition with certain diagnostic criteria

That sums it up well(and is true)

No. I. Didn't. I said that people who insist you have to have dysphoria in order to count are basically calling transgenders diseased.

Except the main diagnostic criteria in question isn't present in all trans people. Hi, one of those without dysphoria speaking. See, nonbinary gender identities make the truth a hell of a lot more nuanced than the essentialism of such diagnostic criteria. Yes, I know there's the issue of coverage for gender identity related healthcare. That this essentialism is often a requirement for that coverage is an issue with healthcare systems.

I'm still not sure why thinking the definition of trans should be broader means you're transphobic, though.

No, they're not saying that anymore than people saying you can't choose to be gay are saying gay people are sick or there wouldn't trans-people saying it.

Except there's still some dysphoria present, even if it's not something people experience 24.7, and how can you be trans without dysphoria? I would think not having your gender identity match your physical sex would cause that be default because it means discomfort with your biological sex.

edited 20th Nov '14 3:31:48 PM by shoboni

Maybe it's a bad idea to tell someone, if they say they don't have some disorder, that no, they really do. Just putting that out there.

edited 20th Nov '14 3:35:35 PM by maxwellelvis

I can tell you I have never experienced anything I could say was dysphoria in my life. I still don't identify as the gender I was assigned at birth. Now I usually don't label myself as transgender, but nonbinary identities are still trans identities.

ETA: Okay, to your edit, remember that gender and sex are separate. I am perfectly comfortable with my sex.

edited 20th Nov '14 3:33:59 PM by Sixthhokage1

Then maybe it's a bad idea to say you can choose to be trans and give bigots that would say things like "you can choose not to", more ammo?

I'd argue not identifying with your physical sex and having discomfort as a result is the definition and acting like having a disorder is so bad is further stigmatizing mental health issues and discouraging people from seeking treatment for mental disorders in general.

Then I'm struggling with how having a different gender and sex doesn't cause discomfort or some kind of dissonance. I would argue under those that being Trans and being NB are two different things and not everyone NB person is trans.

edited 20th Nov '14 3:41:10 PM by shoboni