One Piece

Dump Akainu into the ocean, have a sigh of relief and then watch him build an island to stand on, framed by a massive explosion of steam?

Pretty damn cool.

edited 18th Apr '15 4:26:58 PM by Adannor

Well, it was more for the sheer humiliation of it, and less for the plausibility factor.

Have someone (maybe Nami) hit him with one of the sea stone things when he isn't looking, then push him into the water. He'd never see it coming.

huh.would seastone cuffs nullify the water weakness?

As I understand it, Devil Fruit powers stop working in Sea-Water instantly don't they?

So even if he did start evaporating the water once tossed in, if it was in a deep enough part, it would cut out eventually, the residual heat would die down, and he'd be unable to move at all, so I think it could work.

Truthfully, killing a devil fruit user by drowning them is something that might actually happen. The danger of the sea for these people has been stated, but this would remind us of how deadly it really is for them.

It's not that the powers stop working, it's that the user becomes to weak to use them. Luffy doesn't suddenly stop being made of rubber he just becomes to weak to stretch himself away.

But the thing is that he was a palamaric devil fruit which modifies the body, so it will still be rubber, just that he can't use it himself. For the other guy, I assume his power is from a logia fruit so the only thing that might still be in effect is any heat that he had on him before he fell in and if anything pieces him, it will just go though him.

That's why he should instead shoot a ton of magma into the sea to make a small island for himself.

In general water will completely nullify a fruit power. Luffy is an odd case due to the nature of his fruit, and chopper seems to have spent so long in his hybrid form that his body registers it as default now.

I'd say it's best classed as "it weakens them and prevents them from controlling their power," otherwise Chopper would lose all human intelligence the instant he hit the water. Brook would die. So it can't be that it shuts off the power, just that it prevents you from using it.

Brook commented on how he was losing more of his strength the higher the water got in that cage on Fishman Island. And I know it's been said somewhere that they get basically paralyzed when they're waist deep in water. I don't believe anything has ever been said about the power actually going away in water.

edited 19th Apr '15 10:55:03 AM by LSBK

One of the openings hinted that the power doesn't completely go away when they're in water (aside from confirmation we've already had with Luffy and Chopper). Share the World UROUGE]], a surfing Luffy slips and falls into the water. Chopper and Brook jump in to save him. Ussop and Sanji (I think) then have to jump in and save them. If Brook's power went away whenever he was submerged in water, he'd be dead.

Well, Deader than Dead.

edited 19th Apr '15 11:59:55 AM by wanderlustwarrior

So it's been a while since I asked this:

What crew spot is left to fill:

We got Captain, First Mate (more or less Zoro), Navigator, Sharpshooter (or whatever you call the guy who aims the canons or whatever), Cook, Doctor, Shipwright, and Doctor. Robin is an Archeologist and an Assassin, both of which aren't traditional roles on a ship, but she's there anyway. I have no idea what Jinbe will be when he joins.

What's left, or is there really any role to fill at all? Maybe if someone joins next, they'll do so because they can, or maybe no one else will be a permanent member, and they'll be part of a extended fleet, like people theorized the members of the tournament would be.

It's just good to talk about something like this.

I think it's better to think in terms of what a possible crew member can actually do when we meet them than having a role in mind before we even get to the characters.

Jinbe has several qualities that could make him very useful even if you can't give him a defined role (though apparently he's a good helmsmen so there's that) I mean, Robin mockingly said her position would be assassin and her real thing is archeology, but she's never done the former for the crew and the later usually ever comes up when it's about poneglyphs. And Zoro has no role other than "cool swordsmen who can fight".

I'm not expecting either Jinbe or the likely one other crew member that comes after him to fill any specific role. They'll be on the ship because they want to be, the others want them there, and they can fight. And most importantly because Oda wants them there.

I don't know. I know officially Zoro is the the tough Swordsman, but as Luffy's first recruit, and the guy who usually takes out the second strongest member of an enemy group, he feels like the First Mate to me, or the closest thing to one.

Maybe, but that's not his "official" position and that's not the reason Luffy asked him to join. He wanted a "champion", that title could be filled by anyone strong enough to take it, not specifically a swordsmen.

@wander: I'm pretty sure the gag with those three jumping into the water and needing to be rescued happened at some point in the manga, too. Dashed if I can remember when, though.

edited 19th Apr '15 3:32:57 PM by rikalous

It happened when they first meet Duval.

It's also happened with just Chopper a few times before they met Brook.

It's a wonder none of them have died yet.

Well the basis always seemed clear: permanent passive powers don't go away, but the user becomes too weak to move or activate them.
So because a Logia isn't always made out of their element, they'd be screwed if they actually get submerged.

Although for some there may be some question. I.e. if Kilo Kilo user has set to extra light but gets pushed in, do they float up or do they reset to their default weight?

edited 19th Apr '15 5:28:24 PM by Adannor

For that matter, what about Logia that float? Ice floats, for one.

Not turned into their element when dunked: no floating.

And if it doesn't deactivate, a lot of them going to kinda face a new problem of dissolving.

Luffy's fruit power stays around because his fruit's power activated the moment he ate it, and never needed to activate again.

Jinbe could be the "lifeguard" considering 4/9 (not including ni be) of the group is useless in water and the others while not useless don't have the mobility that Jinbe has. Either that or he could be the world experienced person giving advice of the politic and culture of each island and how the island relationship with the world is considering is former title and good relationship with the fish men royal family is. You could say that the culture and politics advice is taking up by robin but she doesn't have politic experience and with the straw hats crew relationship with the navi is, it would be nice to have that kind of person on your ship.

Nah, Robin's already Ms Exposition, we don't need him for that.

Lifeguard is a better role, or "frogman" (to use a role from more modern naval outfits).