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Jhiday (Don’t ask)
#51: May 11th 2010 at 10:53:39 PM

Did that whole sketch-thing ever make sense?
Wasn't this eventually explained as sketches from the victim in case #4, who was keeping an eye on Phoenix for plot reasons ?

Blazinghydra Since: Feb, 2010
#52: May 12th 2010 at 4:34:43 PM

Except those turned out to not have been drawn by the person who was said to be keeping a close eye on Phoenix. And even so, that wouldn't explain why the sketches were of Apollo's stuff rather than Phoenix.

I just figure it was a Shocking Swerve they were going to have go somewhere, but forgot. That, or the real artist just had a crush on Apollo. Take your pick, really.

...I assume we're not too worried about spoilers for Apollo Justice here?

slowzombie Platypus! from Way up North Since: Jan, 2001
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#53: May 12th 2010 at 5:19:47 PM

Not all that worried no, I probably should add a spoiler warning, since I keep referring back to previous games like nobody's business. Anyway, yeah, the whole thing struck me as odd, but then again, last case of that game just never got along all that well, so the whole paintings thing only resurfaces occasionally.

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#54: May 13th 2010 at 6:11:08 AM

The explanation is that Misham was keeping an eye on Phoenix, and was sketching Apollo's cases because Apollo was working out of Phoenix's old office. And it was Drew who did those sketches, Vera just did the paintings.

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slowzombie Platypus! from Way up North Since: Jan, 2001
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#55: May 26th 2010 at 7:12:35 AM

So, we're finally back, folks, time to solve this murder and, hopefully, not be whipped too much. Edgeworth wants to know why Gumshoe is at the twin embassies today, and apparently he was there to guard the place on account of the announced Yatagarasu robbery. Edgeworth points out that Gumshoe yet again proved unable to stop the formidable cock-up, and that this will reflect poorly on his next salary review. Gumshoe is, as he probably should be, worried about how another salary cut would put him in danger of crossing the poverty line. Edgeworth, being Edgeworth, doesn't seem too bothered by this, but enough of that, time to do some investigating.

Being the investigation pragmatist that I am, I check out the body of the late Mr. Coachen. Turns out he was killed by a stab to the neck, which would imply that the dude who killed this guy knows what he, or she, was doing, but this being case 5, a murder did by a bumbling amateur would be just uncalled for. Also, it was lucky that the fire didn't spread to the corpse, as that'd make identification a pain in the ass. I'm guessing this will be important later. Anyway, nooks and crannies are to be inspected, so let's get to it. The murder weapon appears to be a highly ornate knife that's found just next to the body, covered in blood. Also, the handle has a sort of a butterfly motif going for it, wait, didn't one of the two countries have a butterfly as a central motif? I'm certain we'll have to get back to that, because we get a butterfly motif logic and the knife in our evidence folder. Next up on my list is an object in Manny's pocket that seems awfully familiar. Yes, it's the Yatagarasu's Key from case 4. Considering how similar this thing is to a butterfly knife, I'm now imagining the Yatagarasu to be a spy, just thought I'd mention it. So, small flashback to case 4, and Gumshoe is clueless as ever, but that's OK, 'cause he wasn't around at that time, and not all that many people were told the details.

So, it's up to Edgeworth to show Gumshoe what the deal with the knife is, and when we enter evidence inspection mode, I notice that there's a butterfly-esque thing on the tip of the key. Hm, interesting. Anyway, with a click of a button, the key transforms to a knife, just like magic, to paraphrase Gumshoe. Edgeworth confirms that this is the same knife, since there's a vine design engraved along the blade, which he recognizes, this was the knife Calisto stole. Well, that certainly points fairly unambiguously towards one killer, but I've been wrong before, not often about killers in Ace Attorney cases, but it happens. Edgeworth seems to think that the discovery of this means that it's time to look into Cohdopia a little more closely. Franzy suggests talking to Mr. Paleano, since he was a prime candidate to being the next Cohdopian ambassador back before the country tore itself in two. Well, that'll surely be delightful.

That's all from the body, though, as Edgeworth seems to find him familiar, probably due to him being slightly involved in case 4, but he doesn't seem to remember at the moment. Next up, we have the mandatory "you can't go here yet"-block, as Interpol is still investigating one bit of the office. Also, we see the butterfly motif again on the wall. Inspecting it reveals that, indeed, Babahls national symbol is a butterfly. Logic GET. And it's Logic Tiem, I think. Yes, the butterfly motifs seem to imply that the knife's from B, and I guess the fact that it says so on it does nothing to discredit this theory. Some more checking, and we've stumbled into Ambassador Paleano's knife collection. Turns out there was three ornate knives with a butterfly motif, although they're more like hiltless blades now, since the fire burned the hilts away, the sole exception being the middle knife, which seems to be missing, or burned away entirely. Paleano is distressed that his beautiful knives are in such a sorry state, at least compared to a similar set of A-themed knives, which I assume are not quite as... burned.

Interestingly enough, it would seem that the handles can be taken off the knives and reattached easily. I can't imagine this becoming important at all, no siree. The statue thing, the Primidux Statue, is off-limits unless they've got some serious evidence that it needs to be examined. Right. Well, that's about it, time to talk to Paleano. Paleano, like most famous people in fiction, doesn't know how the hell he'll manage without his assistant, Mr. Coachen, but Edgeworth thinks there's no need to worry about his schedule for the next few hours, as he'll most likely be speaking to the police. Also, Paleano gives Edgey some B-related Cupons which Edgeworth is reluctant to accept. So, let's ask this guy about the victim. Yay. Basically, Manny made things go round in B, doing everything from managing the economy to printing out tourism-related material, this being one of the nation's biggest source of income.

Edgeworth asks why he finds Mr. Coachen so familiar, and yes, Paleano tells us that indeed, this pinnacle of effectivity and helpfulness was a part of the KG-8 Incident. Surely, Ambassador, you jest. Anyway, after having being deemed not guilty, Manny got on with his life and started working in the B embassy. Of course, I get the feeling it's not quite as rosy as this, but that's pretty much par for the course at this point. Apparently, Manny was also heading a renovation project aiming to pimp up the embassy. But enough about that, let's talk about Cohdopia, and the knife-key that used to belong to the Cohdopian embassy. In case you missed it, Paleano points out the butterfly design, but Edgeworth also notes that the key is more than meets the eye. Paleaon also points out that the knife has the shape of a flower, these two being the national symbol of Cohdopia back when it still existed. Paleano concludes that Manny must've used the key back when the embassy was for one country. Logic! Well, Paleaon is unfamiliar with the fact that the key was stolen by the alleged Yatagarasu, but, as we know, it was. That's it for Manny though, let's have a looksee elsewhere.

Ooh, it's Franzytime. Franzy demands that Edgeworth talks to her with respect, since she's supposed to be his boss now. Edgeworth notices that this fact seems to make Franziska happier than it should. Shippers might regard this as a motherload of sorts, I'm thinking it's just Franzy extending the everlasting "Daddy loves me more"-competition that undoubtably raged in the Von Karma household back in the day, but hey, that's just me. Anyway, Edgeworth also wonders why Franzy is home at this date, logic get! Franzy was investigating in Embassy A, where the Yatagarasu was supposed to strike. There were no fires over there, but something or other happened. It couldn't have been that big of a deal, though, because Franziska gladly left that task to Lang to come over to B to investigate the ruckus there. Oh, spiffy, Lang is here. Wouldn't be the same without Lang. I miss his themesong already.

Anyway, yes, Franzy points out that our suspect is Kay, Edgeworth brings her up to speed as to who this girl is, and that indeed, she's looking for the one who killed her father. Six fingers are optional. Anyway, Gumshoe thinks that the alleged Yatagarasu is keeping one step ahead of our heroes, granting us the "Stealing of Secret"-logic, and pointing out that there haven't been any actual stealing as far as anyone knows. Well, that is odd, don't you think? Well, it's logic time. Hm, Franzy's back in town, the Yatagarasu is stealing secrets from a foreign embassy. Yes, Edgeworth suspects that Franzy's smuggling ring might have a higher-up in the embassy. So yes, Franzy's been following leads, and she ended up with a Cohdopian document, implying that the head of the whole smuggling act comes from either A or B. That's it for Franzy, let's see if I've missed anything

Checking out the rest of the room, we soon discover a small safe which most probably is the victim's, but it's locked, so we may never know. Locked safe logic... waitaminnit. LOGIC! Oh yes, the key opened the safe, and the next piece of the truth has been revealed. Awesome. Well, the safe seems empty, but there's suspicious-looking nooks and crannies to be inspected, so let's go for that. There's an oddly shaped hole in the side of the safe, Edgeworth think it's a vine-pattern, while Gumshoe insists on it being more star-shaped, gee, I wonder... well, let's check out the rest first. A slip of paper seems like it's stuck under the back wall of the safe, which seems to imply there's a secret room in that safe. Oh my. Well, Franzy wants ot know how you're supposed to open the safe, since there's no other keyhole available, well... let's look at that.

Yes, Edgeworth has a theory, the oddly-shaped hole is indeed a keyhole, and the key is the Yatagarasu's key. Franzy objects, the key doesn't fit to the hole. Oh, but I think it does. Yatagarasu's Key, Transform and Roll Out. Yes, the "knife" part of the key is in reality a key to open the second level of the safe. Oh yes, the secret compartment of the safe contains pieces of art, stolen art, even. Let's have a closer look. The art is... well, art, and nothing all that much more about it. We've got a set of documents that apparently is in three pages, the third being signed by Mr. Coachen. However, there's only two pages here. Deduction time! Franzy has one Cohdopian document.... yes. This would seem to point towards Mr. Coachen being the head smuggler of... ink. Special, restricted ink, woa, getting some real flashbacks to case 4 from Apollo Justice  *

, here, but ink anyway. Franzy is somewhat upset that the person she's been chasing is unavailable for whipping on account of being dead, but of course, her job is far from over. INVESTIGATION COMPLETE

Well, Shih-Na steps in, stating that Kay still is the most likely suspect and arrests her, giving her the full Miranda Right treatment before Edgeworth steps in, always the knight in shining armor, huh? Well, that's showdown time with Shih-Na, people. Her argument goes like so: The Yatagarasu announced her intentions to break in, Kay claims to be the Yatagarasu, nobody else was at the crime scene, and therefore... yeah. Let's have a closer look here. Press time! Edgeworth argues that Kay's claim to being the Yatagarasu doesn't make her a murderer, but Shih-Na argues that it gives her a motive, which I guess is correct. Shih-Na argues that Kay killed Manny for the key. Hm, that doesn't seem right. Evidence presentation time! Yes, the key was still on the victim, and the safe was untouched. Shih-Na argues that Kay might not have known, but Edgeworth then points out that there'd be no point in killing the man then.

Shih-Na has an answer, of course, she argues that Kay might have killed the guy by accident or somesuch, or just didn't find out about the secret compartment of the safe before returning the key to the body. Edgeworth also seems to think Shih-Na has no evidence, like that's ever stopped anyone but the PC in these games, but turns out that she has. She saw Kay holding the murder weapon with her own eyes. Oh, that's bad. So yes, new testimony. The knife is consistent with the knife wounds, and the knife is unique, so there's not much to say on that. Kay still maintains that she followed a mystical person in a black trenchcoat, but enough of that, time to work that testimony to the bone. As i assumed, the replaceable handles seems to be a part of the mystery here. Yes, the knife blade could be retracted and attached to another handle. I'm kinda following here, but I feel that there's something I'm missing. Anyway, Shih-Na also argues that Kay could've done this herself, although why she'd want to is beyond me, since she wears gloves, but hey. Oh, and Edgeworth apparently has evidence that Kay couldn't have used this knife, and this appears to be a flower mark on the knife's hilt. Hmm, ooooh, I see what you did there. That's very clever.

Edgeworth plans to demonstrate how the butterfly and the flower fits together... uhm, disregard any dirty thoughts, this is a question of politics. Embassy Guide GO! Yes, the blade is from an A knife, while the hilt is from B, this means that the knife originally was from the other embassy. Oh yeah, it's good to be me. Edgeworth sums it up: Kay haven't been on the A side, but the knife came from there, so whoever killed Manny must've brought it over, something Kay was in no position to do. Gumshoe cheers, but the rest of the crew isn't too cheerful, mostly since there's still a mystery to be solved here. Anyway, objection from Franzy, who wants to know how the knife got there, which is a good question. Anyway, Shih-Na steps in again, stating that Kay might not be a murderer, but she can still be the Yatagarasu, and the one who started the fire. Kay states that she did no such burnination, but that she is the REAL Yatagarasu, oh, and that she'll steal Shih-Na' s sunglasses, since they doesn't look good on her. Right.

Well, Kay suggests that they move on, to Embassy A! The knife came from there, so that's the next logical step to check out. TO BE CONTINUED.

edited 26th May '10 7:12:49 AM by slowzombie

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Jhiday (Don’t ask)
#56: Jun 3rd 2010 at 2:21:33 AM

By the way, don't take the lack of comments as disinterest ; it's just getting hard to say anything without spoiling the plot.

Next part should have some... interesting... Continuity Porn.

slowzombie Platypus! from Way up North Since: Jan, 2001
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#57: Jun 3rd 2010 at 3:48:17 AM

'S cool. Sorry about not getting around to updating for a while, though, the whole thing kinda slipped my mind, but I'll definitely get a chapter done this weekend... I hope

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Jhiday (Don’t ask)
#58: Jun 3rd 2010 at 6:32:30 AM

Oh, I know what we can discuss (mostly) spoilerlessly !

There's something that just bugs me'd me at the end of Chapter IV : why is Callisto Yew working with the smugglers that killed her sister ? Her initial excuse of "to get more info on the murder" doesn't stand scrutiny, as she's clearly going far beyond what that would call for. Is she the kind of monster that just doesn't care about her sister's death ?

And then I realized it made perfect sense, if you're willing to review the information we have with a slightly more critical eye.

It doesn't make her any less of a monster, but there's something admirable in the sheer ballsiness of her plan. (Yes, even more than how she framed Gumshoe.)

TheVelvetHand subject to change from here, there, everywere Since: Jun, 2010
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#59: Jul 13th 2010 at 7:35:49 PM

In case 5 its mentioned that Callisto Yew was a fake name and that Cece didn't have a sister

edited 13th Jul '10 7:45:50 PM by TheVelvetHand

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Idler2.0 Since: Apr, 2009
#60: Sep 22nd 2010 at 5:09:43 AM

What happened to this thread?

The man was awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor and the Nobel Peace Prize. He was the best at both killing and not killing - Stranger
slowzombie Platypus! from Way up North Since: Jan, 2001
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#61: Sep 25th 2010 at 7:25:35 AM

Ehm, I kind of... forgot. Heh, sorry about that. I'm going to start playing again, so we can finish this thing.

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Marioguy128 Geomancer from various galaxies Since: Jan, 2010
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#62: Sep 25th 2010 at 8:20:33 AM

Please do. This was an interesting liveblog.

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Jhiday (Don’t ask)
#63: Oct 6th 2010 at 6:39:20 AM

Looking forward to it !

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