Pokémon General Thread

I've mentioned this before, but Ground STAB Boomburst + Quiver Dance would help.

What, like Ground-ate? Because giving an -ate ability to anything that learns Boomburst is not very recommendable. Aerilate Noivern when.

I posted a hypothetical Mega Flygon before. I used different stats for it, but I also gave it Tinted Lenses.

Would an ability that turns immunities into normal effectiveness be broken?

I can't imagine why, since most other types are able to get away with just that.

Though throwing it on a Dragon does risk the violent revival of Outrage.

Very few things are broken in a vacuum. It's the aggregate that makes things OP.

not that flygon really NEEDS a "ground-ate" ability. he can get earth power.

We seem to be in agreement that Mega Flygon could stand to be a special attacker. We just don't know what typing, stats, or ability it should have.

Imagine it getting a Dragon-ate. Sigh, if only.

So Boomburst becomes a stronger Draco Meteor that doesn't lower Sp.Atk.

It wouldn't even need an increase in sp.atk to do some serious damage with that.

Flygon also gets Quick Attack for priority.

STAB -ate Boomburst is a 279 base power attack. If resisted it does as much damage as a neutral Overheat. Think about that.

So Tinted Lenses would be good on it.

Fucking Slow Start would be good on it if it had that.

I caught a muttafukken Groudon in Rumble. It's my strongest by far and it knows Precipice Blades (and Swagger but fuck that). Everything dies.

18 forms for one Pokémon, each form having its own move sets, and those forms being unchangeable, would be ridiculously weird, right?

Like, say, one form having Fire-type moves, and another form having Ice-type moves instead.

I think one move varying between forms is what you'd get at most.

Dark Rising update: I cleared Atlantic Cave, which wasn't easy. I taught my Karrablast Stone Edge from a Move Tutor and had so difficulty with the fights, but they weren't anything compared to the boss fight of Atlantic Cavae.

A possessed Brock with a level 50 Entei. When I have 5 pokemon that are level 28-34. I lost several times trying to figure out a way to take it down. Eruption and Flametrower were to powerful to properly tank with anything but Flash Fire Houndoom, Crunch hit hard as well, and Double Edge was it's best move. It took luck in the end(a critical hit from Stone Edge, the AI using 2 fires moves on Hoondoom in a row) to beat it without requiring me to get ant more training in. Beating Dark Entei freed both Brock and Entei from their mind control.

Now in the Dread Swamp, I discover a nasty surprise. After clearing out all the available trainers I went to this cave bloacked by a Thundurus. The Thundurus fled without a fight, allowing me to enter and encounter Giovanni. Turns out Giovanni is a Bouns Boss I wasn't supposed to face until much later, he had 4 pokemon in their 90's as a team. I lost.

Late to the party, but I don't get all the Mewtwo X hate here; I avoid Legendaries like the plague but if I didn't, I'd think Mewtwo X would make a solid team mate.

Fighting-Psychic typing was seen as solid in previous Gens. The flexibility of possibly delaying your Mega-Evolution to keep a fairy resistance and then switching in later to gain the advantages of Fighting type (Neut Bug and Dark, and resistance to Rock) seems pretty appealling.

There's a variety of pretty solid physical attacks in groups would wouldn't expect them in and a decent enough Sp A that you can run a bit of a mix to break physical walls like Skarmory. Most of the walls I see tend to be special though and Mewtwo X has an advantage there.

Outside of that, ol' Mewtwo X has pretty solid speed (You can't IV breed, obviously but 165-200 at 50 is a good speed by any measure) and very wide type coverage with solid STAB types. Throw that on the strongest Physical Attacker in the game and you're left with a handful of Pokes who can challenge it without deliberately being designed as counters (And even then Mewtwo has a lot of versitility with Iron Tail and Fire Punch as options against not-so-bulky Fairy and Steel based counters).

But then that's just my looking at it on paper; I'd be horrified by the number of times I'd have to reset (even with a Syncro lead) in order to get a decent IV, right natured Mewtwo.

Decent support helps, though Mewtwo X is less hurt by Rocks than Y but a Calm Mind Baton Passer, Rapid Spinner and Heal Bell/Aroma Therapy would suit it well. I'd be inclined to throw it on with the Umbreon I threw on here earlier for a STAB against Psychics but there are a lot of options.

Also question; Can Honeclaw be used to increase Accuracy above the baseline? If so this move seems pretty deadly. Especially if you're willing to break out OHKO moves in Pokemon Online. I can see Arena Trap Dugtrio being used to great effect here to trap in an Electric Scarfer (or another "safe" bet) and then setting Fissure up to 100% accuracy. Even less abusive sets could be done to ensure "risky" moves always make their mark.

edited 25th May '15 10:04:03 AM by Fauxlosophe

Mega Mewtwo X can be better if you use an imported Mewtwo with certain coverage moves, but viability isn't something I'm sure of. Either way I like it. It helps that it's actual more Powerful than Mewtwo with a Choice Band.

The ORAS movetutor helps a lot; Zen Headbutt, Low Kick and decent powered physical coverage in Water, Fire, Steel, Ice and Dark. I'd say with that Mewtwo is viable in any battle. There are some old moves for people who are willing to go to the effort of hunting and importing it after teaching it some moves that it only gets in other gens (Double Edge, maybe? But it's never supereffective and you don't have STAB or other orbs, so I'd go for more useful coverage), but if you have ORAS, it's not a necessity.

I suppose that was a deliberate move on Nintendo's part since looking at the builds I can make with X alone, it is pretty limited. Still viable I'd argue (Probably one of the stronger Earthquakes in the game and definitely one of the fastest) but without the nasty surprises that a Tutored Mewtwo can bring it feels pretty limited and more easily countered. I guess I take for granted that I can haggle with friends to have them give me those moves. Still, on paper, once you have those moves, I think Mewtwo looks like one of the better legendary Sweepers.

edited 25th May '15 10:30:53 AM by Fauxlosophe

Oh look, I caught another, slightly stronger Groudon. But no, I can't get a stage with any new species to save my life. flm

I was given a Victini on Dark Rising, level 32 with Serene Grace. It's so good that I decided to replace my Alazazam and Houndoom with it.

I do not understand the beef you guys have with Mewtwo X. One thing I will say is that Psychic/Fighting does suck defensively, as it has exactly one resist (Fighting).

Psychic should resist Fairy but that's just me. And I dunno, I don't care much for Mewtwo X's design. Aside from that, his movepool isn't stellar. I mean, yeah, in Ubers almost everything is hit with 120 BP by Low Kick, but I don't really like something so situational. I'd much rather deal with the consequences of Close Combat. And its strongest physical Psychic move is Zen Headbutt, which is eh. And again, pointless ability.