Pokémon General Thread

I really, really hope Gen VII reformulates the Type Chart, and more thoroughly than Gen VI did.

I'd give Steel back its Ghost resistance and instead strip it of its Psychic resistance. Ghost needs an offensive nerf and Psychic needs an offensive buff.

Also, remove Fairy's Bug resistance because what the hell, Gamefreak?

Ice should resist Ground and Flying. It needs a defensive buff. Badly.

edited 6th May '15 7:37:13 PM by Eldrake

Yeah, Fairy's Bug resistance was just a bit too far. I'm willing to take the Dragon immunity with pain in my heart, Dark and Fighting resistances, whatever, but that last one's just insult to injury.

Gen VI nerfed Bug a lot compared to the buffs it got in Gen V.

Steel is never going to lose its Psychic resistance because its Psychic resistance is the reason it exists in the first place.

There's also the Tin Foil Hat thing, but yeah Psychic got hit even worse by the "overcompensating for previous brokeness" because it got hit with two newly existant types that resists it and a stat split. At least most Dragons were actually broken by BST reasons that were relevant regardless of the nerf.

Psychic sucks now though

and their answer to it being too strong was like bringing in that mini-mech thing from Robo-Cop to deal with a petty theft issue

sure nobody's stealing shit any more, but now we've got to live in fear of the single most broken defensive type in the game.

And it served its purpose then, but it's overstayed its welcome. There's no reason Steel can't double back on that.

Besides, Dark was really the one designed to corral Psychic in. Steel just happened to resist it as well, along with about every other thing in the game.

Yeah Psychic was broken for multiple reasons in Gen 1, and they fixed most of the issues with the Special Attack Special Defense split. Also not making Poison Types half the game.

What made Psychic broken.

• Special Attack and Special Defense were the same.
• Half the game was Poison Types.
• Psychic had no relevant weaknesses due to both poor programming (the Ghost immunity) and low BP moves (Leech Life and Pin Missle were it for G 1 Bug moves IIRC)

What makes Pyschic terrible now

• Only resists itself and fighting, has three weaknesses which leaves it as a terrible defensive type.
• Has only two things that it can deal SE damage on, one of which is Poison which is a relatively poor type in the grand scheme of things.
• Despite this Pyschics are forced to deal with an immunity.
• Weak to Pursuit and U-Turn, two moves that are commonly used for their beneficial effects outside of STAB users.

It's basically only abilities and their support abilities that make Pyschic type remotely useful anymore.

Back in the day steel was one of the worst offensive types in the game if not the worst. No longer being true it's not only the best defensive type, but also of offensive worth too.

What's the fastest Ice type? I want to say Weavile. Froslass is also pretty speedy on her (lack of) feet.

Weavile, yeah.

It doesn't hurt that the perception of Psychic as a powerful type in and of itself exists, like Dragon (which is a pretty solid type, but no so overwhelming so as you might think.) Mewtwo, Lugia and other legendaries are powerful despite being Psychics, not because of it.

edited 6th May '15 8:44:21 PM by Hashil

Fairy should have been weak to Bug if they wanted to buff lesser used types. It's also the only weakness that Dragon's can't abuse, since they get Iron Tail and Poison Jab.

Psychics weren't broken in Gen I comp, apparently, though they were still pretty good. Back then it was Normals that ruled (3 S-Tier Normals with 1 S-Tier Psychic) with Chansey and Tarous being the rulers. Chansey walled just about everything while Tauros was the best late-game cleaner.

edited 6th May '15 8:51:02 PM by Karxrida

Anyone else feel that they let type coverage be too readily accessible a thing to too many Pokemon? Fairies being weak to poison just meant everything needed to sub out one of their coverage moves for Poison Jab, like the above said.

I think there's a distinction to be made between a type being really powerful on its own terms (like Fairy and Steel) and having a lot of powerful representatives (like Dragon and partially Psychic). I mean, Dragon was really good due to only being resisted by one type and having high-power, low-penalty, widely-distributed attacks, but it was mainly the individual power of its members that made it due for a nerf. On the other hand, damn near everything can be improved by slapping on a Fairy typing to it.

Fairy being weak to bug makes no sense. Like at all.

I think grass should've resisted fairy though since fairy have such a close relationship to nature and are often found in forests.

Making sense has never been type effectiveness' top priority. Fiary resisting Bug isn't any better.

So next year marks the 20th year of the franchise. What do you think the odds of us revisiting Kanto are and do you think they'd do yet another remake of Red and Green for it or would you expect an all new story?

So can I talk about Pokemon hacks?

Beside that, I also don't really see the point of having Fairy resist to Bug. There's already many types resisted to bug attacks.

to be honest i'm not that interested in revisiting kanto again unless it was so revamped to the point of not resembling kanto anymore.

On one hand, FR/LG are the worst remakes in the series by a longshot.

On the other, Kanto is the worse region in the series by a longshot, too. There's no winning there basically.

We're not going to Kanto next year. That is Zygarde's year. 20th isn't worth going back to Kanto when there's already enough G1 pandering in Kalos. We'll go back to Kanto on the 25th in all likelihood.

Feel the same exact way. In fact, FR/LG are straight up my least favorite main pokemon games.

I get fairy resisting bug(though yeah they could've resisted water or ghost instead) and honestly I prefer type relations having some sound logic to them as opposed to "just for balance reasons." Both are optimal though.

Bug isn't supposed to be a strong offensive type anyway, in fact it's supposed to be weak overall save for special occasions.

Hey now, let's be fair.

They may be the worst remakes, but FRLG are still a lot better than RGBY.