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BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#13301: Aug 3rd 2015 at 6:09:29 PM

Nah, it was a joke.

What you said makes sense, even if most of it is theoretical.

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Heatth from Brasil Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#13303: Aug 3rd 2015 at 6:22:05 PM

It's okay, I should start potholing Joking Mode more.

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#13304: Aug 3rd 2015 at 7:49:52 PM

The "dumbass tree" wasn't a reference to anything. The move he used to shove Goku into the ground looked like he was planting something, and he was calling Goku a dumbass. Goku is thus the seed by which dumbass trees are made.

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BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#13305: Aug 3rd 2015 at 7:55:21 PM

Ah.

Funny?

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#13306: Aug 3rd 2015 at 7:57:11 PM

Yeah.

It was fucking hilarious. I mean, what more is there to say about it?

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#13307: Aug 3rd 2015 at 8:00:34 PM

Dammit, now I wanna watch all of DBZA for the third time.

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BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#13309: Aug 3rd 2015 at 8:13:59 PM

I mean, it is funny.

I just always thought there was more to it that I wasn't getting.

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#13311: Aug 4th 2015 at 8:57:34 AM

2) He does have a limit on how far he can port. He's limited by needing to sense Ki. It's possible that earth was too far away for him to sense anything. Also, remember what he told Trunks: He was about to make his move when the latter roflfstomped Frieza first. In other words, he was going to instant transmission himself to earth when Frieza landed, but then later was killed and he clearly saw no point. Earth was safe again, and there was little reason to rush.

That's actually part of the problem. Even if we assume Yardrat was too far for Goku to teleport, he still didn't teleport even when his pod was close enough for him to become able to. Goku says he would have teleported to Earth to fight Frieza but Trunks dealt with it first, but the question this raises is why he didn't teleport to Earth anyway so he could be with his family.

For a husband and father whose family hasn't seen him in a year, there is every reason to rush. Goku shouldn't need a life-or-death emergency to justify spending time with his son.

The Cell Saga is the arc where Goku's failings as a husband and father stop being circumstantial and become a deliberate consequence of choices he makes, even becoming a plot point by the time of the Cell Games, so I think it's entirely fair that TeamFourStar is using this arc as an opportunity to bump it up from running joke to serious point of drama.

Kai is in another dimension so, it is not quite as straightforward. Maybe it is easy to sense ki there, for some reason. Don't forget that, after training for 3 years + 1 in the Room of Spirit and Time, Goku still couldn't find the Namekians until Kaioh pointed the direction. He is limited by his ability to find the ki he needs to, although it is true the specific reason for him never teleporting back to earth is never stated, a convenient canon explanation does exist.

Apparently you can get to Kaio-sama's planet by flying there, according to Whis and Beerus's mode of transit in Super, so it is located a physical distance away from Earth.

Dumbass Tree

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edited 4th Aug '15 8:59:56 AM by TobiasDrake

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#13312: Aug 4th 2015 at 9:01:57 AM

Right. I can't answer that except to say that Toriyama clearly didn't think of it at the time.

I don't really think Goku is to blame if the author has him do something like that.

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Heatth from Brasil Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#13313: Aug 4th 2015 at 9:34:24 AM

[up]Uh, but Goku have always been Toriyama's character. Everything he always did is something Toriyama made him do. If we look from that angle, there is no point to ever analyze any character.

Apparently you can get to Kaio-sama's planet by flying there, according to Whis and Beerus's mode of transit in Super, so it is located a physical distance away from Earth.

I have no idea what you are talking about. Also, that would mean you can get to Yama by flying there. That seems weird.

edited 4th Aug '15 9:36:03 AM by Heatth

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#13314: Aug 4th 2015 at 9:49:01 AM

[up][up][up] That point is moot since Whis was the one doing the flying. You cannot base what is possible on what Whis does.

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#13315: Aug 4th 2015 at 10:16:39 AM

That would mean the Filler with Kid Buu attacking otherworld is actually plausible. I'd be okay with that.

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#13316: Aug 4th 2015 at 10:24:45 AM

Seeing how I believe he used something akin to Instant Transmission to get there, it'd be plausible regardless.

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BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#13317: Aug 4th 2015 at 10:47:14 AM

Abridged Cooler is the best.

And how did Kid Buu learn the Instant Transmission again?

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#13318: Aug 4th 2015 at 11:00:44 AM

He just did after blowing up Earth.

Maybe having Goku inside him for that brief time clued him in on it.

Super Buu figured out how to sense powers on his own too.

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BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#13319: Aug 4th 2015 at 11:02:16 AM

"I can sense energy."

"What? How the hell did you learn to do that?!"

"iunno"

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Heatth from Brasil Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#13320: Aug 4th 2015 at 11:27:17 AM

And how did Kid Buu learn the Instant Transmission again?

He just did that, apparently. He saw Goku using it and figured it out. He copied a few other moves as well, like the kamehameha, but you would expect the teleport would be harder to learn by watching.

BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#13321: Aug 4th 2015 at 11:29:31 AM

Yeah, I would think it would be like learning how to shoot a gun by watching someone use it versus learning how to do calculus by watching someone use it.

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#13322: Aug 4th 2015 at 1:31:21 PM

I'm willing to cut Buu some slack on that because of the point made above: teleporting should be harder to learn by watching than the Kamehameha, but sensing ki should be the hardest thing to learn by watching, and Vegeta picked it up effortlessly after finding out the Earthlings could do it.

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BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#13323: Aug 4th 2015 at 1:32:37 PM

I think Toryiama just doesn't want to have anyone teach anybody else a technique. :P

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#13324: Aug 4th 2015 at 1:45:03 PM

[up][up] Learning to sense energy was likely less a matter of learning it from observing the Z-fighters and more a matter of realizing it was possible.

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#13325: Aug 4th 2015 at 1:48:15 PM

Was able to watch the episode when it came on youtube. The "Gohan hates Goku" wasn't as awkward as I thought it was gonna be.

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