Lost in Space
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I never offer deals to the AI; I let them propose deals. Unless I have something and I want to fish for offers: "What will you give me for X?"
Nightmare Muse
Indonesia first look is out, and it's looking like a really fun coastal power.
Dread Pirate Captain
As an Indonesian myself, I have to admit I haven't yet heard of Ratu (queen) Gitarja before. Where the Majapahit is concerned in history lessons, we're taught almost exclusively about the era of Hayam Wuruk and Gajah Mada.
Sure looks much more interesting than Civ V's Gajah Mada. And since there are already alternate leaders for certain civs here...can we also have Soekarno, please?
Nevertheless, glad to see my country getting represented again. 
How many shitheads are already raging about this leader choice in the comments section?
Dread Pirate Captain
Skimming through the comments section...not a lot, actually. There's more complaints of her copying Norway's color scheme - oh, but I guess the "waifu" complaints count, though.
Don't stop, just proceed, 'cause this is what you need-proceed, just proceed, 'cause this is what you need!
Disasturbator
One of the complaints is literally " Stop filling the game with waifus"
I'll admit I chuckled ,if anything the game needs moar waifus,
New theme music also a box
Lost in Space
You know, people worry way too much about that sort of thing. If anything, my annoyance is the abundance of male leaders with biologically impossible musculature.
Would someone be so kind as to post the abilities of the new leaders and civs in the topic, so we don't have to watch the videos to find them?
edited 17th Oct '17 9:19:23 AM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Disasturbator
-Khmer
Grand Barays
"Famrs provide additional food when adjacent to an Aqueduct,and Aqueducts provide both faith and an Amenity "Unique unit is Domrey.Ballista mounted on an elephant -They have a Prasat which replaces the temple -Unique ablity is called 'Monasteries of the King'"Holy Sites grab adjacent territory and also provide food and housing when built on a river
-Indonesia's unique abality is called "Great Nusantara' "Coastal Tiles provide minor adjacency bonuses for Holy Sites,campuses,industrial zones,and theater squares
"Entertainment complexes give an Extra Amenity if they're adjacent to a non-lake coastal tile
They have a unit called the Jong which replaces the Frigate
Unique ability is "Exalted Goddess of the three worlds" Naval units can be purchased at a discount using faith,and relgious units pay no movement cost to embark or disembark
Coastal cities get bonus faith
edited 17th Oct '17 10:03:34 AM by Ultimatum
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YEEEEAH— no.
National Ability - Monasteries of the King - Holy Sites gain all adjacent tiles when built, and provide food and housing when built adjacent to rivers.
Leader Ability - Grand Barays - Farms provide an additional +2 food when adjacent to an Aqueduct. Aqueducts provide an additional +3 faith and +1 amenities.
Unique Unit - Domrey - Unlocked at Military Engineering, replaces Catapult. Stronger, can move and shoot on the same turn, and exerts zone of control.
Unique Building - Prasat - Replaces the Temple. Missionaries built here gain the Martyr promotion. +1 Relic slot.
National Ability - Great Nusantara - Coastal tiles provide minor (+0.5) adjacency bonuses to Holy Sites, Campuses, Industrial Zones, and Theatre Squares. Entertainment Complexes provide +1 amenities when on non-lake coastal tiles.
Leader Ability - Exalted Goddess of the Three Worlds - Naval Units can be purchased with faith. Religious units do not suffer movement penalties when embarking or disembarking. +2 faith to City Centers that are coastal or adjacent to lakes.
Unique Unit - Jong - Replaces Frigate. 6 movement (rather than the Frigate's 4), and gives its movement speed to any units that are in its formation. +5 combat power when in formation.
Unique Improvement - Kampung - Built on coastal tiles adjacent to water resources (does not have to be adjacent to land). +1 housing, +1 production, and +1 food for each adjacent fishing boat. Additional techs later in the game unlock further bonuses.
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edited 17th Oct '17 11:03:27 AM by Blueeyedrat
"I've come to the conclusion that this is a very stupid idea."
Disasturbator
Yours is a neater summary then mine anyhow
The Merry Monarch of Darkness
Apparently she's the same person as this Empress
whose full name I can't really spell, Gajah Mada's boss.
...why didn't they pick her instead of Maria for BNW's female leader?
The pig of Hufflepuff pulsed like a large bullfrog. Dumbledore smiled at it, and placed his hand on its head: "You are Hagrid now."
Lost in Space
Man, the Khmer are insane if you are going for a high-population build. Good religious bonuses, too. Indonesia's also pretty nice for a mid-game navy rush. Too bad that in Civ VI, UUs don't retain their unique abilities upon promotion.
edited 17th Oct '17 11:19:50 AM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Dread Pirate Captain
Oh, down here Tribuwana Tunggadewi (it's easier to spell her name like that, and it's more commonly used) is more well known.
...so that's who Gitarja is also known as! Well, well. You learn something new everyday. 
x2 When people talk about Indonesian leaders (not the "modern" presidents like SBY and current president Jokowi), three names often pop immediately to mind: Soekarno, Soeharto, and Gajah Mada. And since Indonesia (okay, not really, that term didn't yet exist during his era)'s area of rule and influence was the largest under Gajah Mada, I'm guessing that's why Firaxis went with him instead.
edited 17th Oct '17 8:38:37 PM by DarkDestruction
Don't stop, just proceed, 'cause this is what you need-proceed, just proceed, 'cause this is what you need!
Interesting faction and leader. However the announcer pronunciation of Majapahit is incorrect. Also a Kampung actual means village and the type of settlement that the Indonesian faction has should be called "Kampung Air" (Air means water in Malay/Indonesian language).
That's like France's Château, which means "castle". Considering the architectural style, a more accurate name would have been Château de la Loire - Castle on the Loire river.
Nightmare Muse
Fall update is out! Here are the notes:
Khmer
- Civ Unique Ability: Grand Barays - Farms provide +2 Food if adjacent to an Aqueduct. +3 Faith and +1 Amenity to each city with an Aqueduct.
- Jayavarman VII Unique Ability: Monasteries of the King - Holy Sites provide +2 Food and +1 Housing if placed on a river. Holy Sites provide a culture bomb.
- Domrey: Unlocks with Military Engineering technology. Unique Medieval era siege unit. Can move and shoot in the same turn and exerts zone of control.
- Prasat: Same yield as Temple. Missionaries purchased in this city receive the Martyr promotion. +1 Relic slot.
Indonesia
- Civ Unique Ability: Great Nusantara - Minor Adjacency for Coastal tiles to Holy Site, Campus, Industrial Zone, and Theater Square. +1 Amenity to each Entertainment Complex adjacent to a coastal tile.
- Gitarja Unique Ability: Exalted Goddess of the Three Worlds - Naval units can be purchased with Faith. Religious units pay no movement to embark or disembark. +2 Faith to City Centers that are adjacent to Coast.
- Jong: Replaces Frigate. Unlocks with Mercenaries civic. +1 Movement. All units in formation inherit movement speed. +5 to combat when in a formation.
- Kampung: Unique improvement placed on Coastal tiles that are adjacent to a sea resource. +1 Housing. +1 Production. +1 Food for each adjacent Fishing Boat. More Housing, Production, and Tourism as you advance through the game.
Angkor Wat Wonder
- +1 Population in all Current Cities when built. +1 Housing in all cities. Must be built adjacent to an Aqueduct district.
Ha Long Bay Natural Wonder
- Two tile natural wonder that can be found on coastal terrain and provides +3 Food, +1 Production, and +1 Culture. +15 Combat Strength when defending in this tile.
‘Path to Nirvana’ Scenario
- The lands around the Indian Ocean flourish with many religions and many people. Heaven has chosen you to bring the light to all these lands. Is your faith up to the challenge? Can you convince the people of Southeast Asia to follow your religion? In this 50 turn scenario, compete to have the most followers of your religion, the most faith per turn, and the most foreign cities following your religion.
[RELIGION UPDATE]
- Overhauled "Religion Lens"
- All religious units move on their own layer (similar to Trade Units and Spies)
- Switched to unique unit flag backing for religious units
- Display religion (if applicable) for a unit to be purchased with Faith
- Added the "Condemn Heretic" unit action to allow military units to eliminate religious units in their tile, similar to pillaging a trade route
- Added Religion indicators to unit flags
- Religious units now exert Zone of Control and receive Flank and Support bonuses in religious combat
- Added two new Pantheons, two new Founder Beliefs, two new Follower Beliefs, two new Enhancer Beliefs, and two new Worship Beliefs (with new buildings)
- Follower Belief "Warrior Monks" unlocks the new Warrior Monk unit, a medieval land combat unit with its own promotion tree that is purchased with Faith
- Added the Guru religious support unit, which can heal nearby religious units
- Improved long-term usefulness of Missionaries by giving their spread religion ability 10% eviction of all other religions
- Gave nine existing leaders the LOW_RELIGIOUS_PREFERENCE trait so they are unlikely to push hard for a religion, making it easier for players to get one on high difficulties
- Added Unit Action tooltip to show you how many followers you'll have in a city after you spread religion there
- Adding religious pressure to both ends of a trade route:
- Destination city gets 1 pressure per turn of the origin city's majority religion (if it has one). This is the same amount as if that city was close by.
- Origin city gets 0.5 pressure per turn of the destination city's majority religion (if it has one)
- Added 8 new Relics
[UI ENHANCEMENTS]
- Updated Diplomacy screens to improve readability and usability
- Trade Overview: Available Routes tab will now show all possible routes between two cities regardless if the origin city has a trader located at it
- New medallion style art for Great People
- Capital icons now appear on city banners in espionage chooser menu
- Rest & Repair actions inform you if you can't heal due to a missing Strategic Resource
- Changed sort order for gossip so most recent messages are shown first
- Ensure plot tooltips show up after mousing over 2D icons in same plot
- Trade route chooser now sorts routes when filtered by a yield
- Lots of changes to make assorted UI screens more moddable/extensible
[AI TUNING]
- Improved AI's naval gameplay, including protection and healing of naval units, building a proper navy, and assaulting coastal cities
- AI will attempt to re-convert its holy cities
- AI will no longer commit to battles they cannot win
- Improve AI city and district placement
- Improved AI's valuation of great works
- Improved Scout's drive to explore Tribal Villages
- Improved siege attacks
- Adjusted religious strategies, preventing large hordes of units going to the same, distant city
- New AI support for Religious Heal and Condemn Heretic actions
- Improved AI use of Inquisitors
- Money Grubber agenda is no longer as sensitive to fluctuations in income
[MULTIPLAYER]
- Ongoing stability improvements
[BALANCE CHANGES]
- Removed some of the least useful Gossip messages to improve signal to noise:
- Buildings constructed if from 2 eras earlier than the constructing player's current era
- Civic cultivated if from 1 era earlier than developing player's current era
- Influenced city-state if not tied or higher than all other players
- Land unit promoted if only to Level 2
- Naval unit promoted if only to Level 2
- Policy slotted if unlocked from a Civic that is 2 eras earlier than slotting player's current era
- Tech researched if from 1 era earlier than researching player's current era
- Move +1 embark speed from Cartography to Square Rigging
- Allow friendly or allied spies to escape just before a nuke is detonated on a city they are in. All other spies are still killed.
- Add Guilds as a prereq for Humanism so you have Theater Square before Museums
- Change the Civic prereqs between Industrial and Modern so Zoo is required before Stadiums
- Religious Idols Pantheon belief is now +2 Faith per mine instead of +1
- Persian Immortal unit now behaves primarily as a melee unit with a ranged attack ability
[BUG FIXES]
- AI will now recruit Great People when they take control of a human's game in MP
- Fixed an issue where AI would trade invalid items
- Fixed issues where AI appears to refuse their own deal proposals
- Corrected an error that made the AI very unlikely to agree to alliances
- Added missing description text for Broadway (+20% Culture for the city)
- Fixed Colonial Taxes to be the listed 25% boost
- Fix player being able to make peace with city states while at war with the suzerain
- Pillaged districts no longer provide adjacency yields and they drop adjacent Appeal
- Fixed the Hanging Gardens not granting Appeal
- Archery tech boost earned by a Slinger on defense
- Unique districts don't count twice for Mathematics tech boost
- Fix Housing from Monarchy to properly be +1 for each level of Wall
- Culture Bombs can no longer steal National Park tiles
- Conquering a city with a spaceport under sabotage no longer redirects that mission at yourself
- Captured spies are immediately returned when a player is defeated
- Gold costs of delegations is correct at all game speeds
- Properly compute foreign followers of a religion for beliefs that use this stat. Followers from cities that didn't have this religion as a majority were not counted previously
- Embarked combat units can no longer capture enemy embarked civilians
- Additional bug fixes
[MISC]
- Changed Jakarta City-State to Bandar Brunei
- Added Motion Blur to leaders
Just a heads up: It looks like Civ 3 Complete is currently free in the Humble Store.
Health sure is versatile. It's possible to be both light-headed and dim-witted. At the same time, no less.
Disasturbator
Nightmare Muse
I've started a game as Indonesia, and the new Earth Mother pantheon (+1 Faith from tiles of at least Charming appeal) is giving me Faith hand over fist. It'll be hard to pass up in future games.
Panhandling sign glued to hands. Need $5 for solvent.
Actually that sounds really good for Australia as well considering they get district and housing bonuses from appeal.
I'm thinking about giving Civilization 3 a spin, since I picked up from that free Humble Bundle offer. Any pointers I should be aware of, or compatibility issues I may encounter?
Lost in Space
Frankly, I haven't played it in so long that I don't remember what the core systems were like. Try it and see; what can go wrong?
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Ermmm... Ghandi suddenly deciding to follow a policy of Nuclear annihilation?
Suddenly?
Ballista Elephant is terrifying.
More American Civs would be nice. I would love Pocatello back, and not just because I want to see the awesome melody they gave the Shoshone in Civ V make a return, a la Japan getting the same melody also.
The Sioux or First Nations would be cool, as well as Mexico to the south and Canada to the north to suitably box the USA Civ in.
"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.