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NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#1126: Aug 16th 2013 at 6:33:03 PM

Because that's discriminative against Ayase and Manami.

kiukiuclk from 3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841971693 Since: Feb, 2013 Relationship Status: My TiMER is ticking
#1127: Aug 16th 2013 at 7:18:23 PM

[up]One of them just needs to adopt the other and it all works, right?

getchman from Cheshire, Ct Since: Apr, 2010
#1128: Aug 16th 2013 at 7:19:33 PM

doesn't Ayase already think of Manami as an older sister?

NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#1129: Aug 16th 2013 at 7:20:21 PM

[up][up]You should write for this series!

UltimatelySubjective Conceptually Frameworked from Once, not long ago Since: Jun, 2011
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#1130: Aug 16th 2013 at 8:05:38 PM

It would be ironic if Manami married her brother.

But anything like that would weaken the ending.

I think the implication was that Akagi was just going through a phase liking his sister.

There's only one Super Kyousuke and Kirino is the only one with the power to face off against the demon lord Belphagor.

I look forward to that! Probably.

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MCsq2 Since: Oct, 2012
#1131: Aug 18th 2013 at 10:38:48 AM

Last 3 episodes are out.

As expected of a show named "My Little Sister Can't Be This Cute". It kind of hurts seeing everyone else get rejected, but boy, Kyousuke does have balls for doing so and finally picking someone in the process. I guess it's no surprise to see who got picked...

Man, this ending gets too much hate. So uncalled for...

GabrieltheThird Since: Apr, 2012
#1132: Aug 18th 2013 at 10:55:51 AM

Yeah, except that he didn't pick anyone in the end. Which feels like somewhat of a cop out, even if more realistic. Thus I'm having a hard time deciding if I like the ending or not. Manami was a boss though. Was nice to have her given a bit more character when she had very little screen time or development during the series.

moberemk Dread Lord from Canada Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
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#1133: Aug 18th 2013 at 11:59:23 AM

Important bit of context: the author of the books basically confirmed that he thought of this as a Kirino win, and said that they (paraphrased from a translation) "had a shared secret at the start of the series and also at the end."

Take from that what you will, but I kinda get the feeling that authorial intent, and how it was affected by editorial limitations, is pretty clear.

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NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#1134: Aug 18th 2013 at 12:49:22 PM

Worst Girl with the Best Author Fiat.

Arilou Taller than Zim from Quasispace Since: Jan, 2001
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#1135: Aug 18th 2013 at 2:50:33 PM

Manami deserved victory purely for her scene. That was boss.

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Arilou Taller than Zim from Quasispace Since: Jan, 2001
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#1136: Aug 18th 2013 at 2:56:29 PM

Seriously, it's like all the common sense that hasn't been in this show was concentrated into one character and one scene of pure "What the fuck people!?" And it was glorious.

Almost but not quite makes up for the rest of the shit that was S2.

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NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#1137: Aug 18th 2013 at 3:02:02 PM

A salute, Manami. I used to think you were a shit character, but you came through. A pity we'll never see you again and everyone will forget your name in a year tops!

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#1138: Aug 18th 2013 at 4:06:57 PM

Dat fistfight. Overall I was satisfied with it. I don't get riled up that often and I like the Kyousuke had the balls to reject everyone for what he wanted.

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UltimatelySubjective Conceptually Frameworked from Once, not long ago Since: Jun, 2011
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#1139: Aug 18th 2013 at 7:30:31 PM

Well, the anime is quite a different experience than the light novel.

A few things that the anime changed:

  • Kuroneko's (second) breakup seems more final. If I had to guess, this was one of the things the author rewrote deliberately.
  • We don't get to see Kyousuke say he's Super Kyousuke. A minor detail, but it would have been nice foreshadowing from the animated commentary.
  • Kuroneko started another destiny note of her drawings online.
  • I'll admit that I didn't mind how they showed off Kyousuke's greater understanding of what Kirino means at the beginning of episode 15, even if as usual it makes him look less intelligent (because it was out loud).
  • The hotel scene was less suggestive... Yeah that's probably logical for them to play on the safe side with that.
  • They didn't even mention it, but Ayase also knows about Kyousuke and Kirino. Kuroneko told her.
  • I see they managed to include Mikagami's marriage... Kind of glad we didn't get to see her actually.
  • Kirino and Manami's hairstyles should have been changed for their final battle.
  • Manami's fight scene was handled pretty well though.
  • The Light Novels also drew more comparisons to eroge protagonists, but they did at least reference this in the anime.
  • Kirino also asks Kyousuke to buy her another ring in that final scene.
  • Oh yeah, and a couple of things were more ambiguous. Fushimi (the author himself) has stated that the final kiss should have been on the lips (apologies for Google translate, source:[1]).

Does Kyousuke win for the most rejections in a row? I think he might. So many ships sunk it's a warzone.

I enjoyed the OVAs quite a lot considering all the things they left out. I missed Kyousuke's narration in episode 14, but in episode 15 and 16 it matters less because the events were more important.

My opinion on the ending hasn't really changed. Surprising conclusive for an ending where life goes on. I still ship Kyousuke×Kirino, because it feels like the most important relationship.

I think someone else said it well too: be passionate about things, but don't let your passions destroy your life. This is "common sense".

I don't think it's a cop out. It answers the question of what to do. It just doesn't make that answer the end of everything.

"My Little Sister Can't Be This Cute". That's really exactly what you'd expect the series to end with from the moment you hear the title.

edited 18th Aug '13 9:17:21 PM by UltimatelySubjective

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fillerdude from Inside Since: Jul, 2010 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#1140: Aug 18th 2013 at 10:03:31 PM

Episode 14: Kuroneko's rejected again. Kyosuke confesses to Kirino. They milked the awkwardness for all it's worth.

Narratively there's no problem with these developments, but I still can't bring myself to like Kirino, so I don't expect I'll enjoy what's coming next.

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#1141: Aug 18th 2013 at 10:37:24 PM

Kuro still owns.

Manami, hmm... Well, I think there are good and bad things about her. Good, for calling them out, which was a kind of antagonism they really needed. Bad, for actually expecting Kyousuke to instead pick her, especially after all that. That's kind of stupid, in a yandere way.

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kiukiuclk from 3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841971693 Since: Feb, 2013 Relationship Status: My TiMER is ticking
#1142: Aug 19th 2013 at 4:07:33 AM

I ended up putting this one on hold a while ago, but the point early on seemed to be Kyousuke end up appreciating his sister and Kirino grow up and learn to get along with him and not be creepy about it.

So...how did it end up like this?

edited 19th Aug '13 4:07:53 AM by kiukiuclk

UltimatelySubjective Conceptually Frameworked from Once, not long ago Since: Jun, 2011
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#1143: Aug 19th 2013 at 4:46:38 AM

Well as to that, you'll have to read the light novels.

The progression of events is laid out there for speculation on the narrative concept.

Fushimi probably didn't have a master plan before volume 5, however it is noteworthy that season one toned down some of the implications and undertones from the light novel.

So the question will vary if you've only seen the anime.

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moberemk Dread Lord from Canada Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
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#1144: Aug 19th 2013 at 5:09:28 AM

Yeah, for me the first season was a case of getting something different than I originally expected (and didn't really want). The second season then gave me exactly what I'd expected the first time.

That was sad. Unsurprising, but sad.

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UltimatelySubjective Conceptually Frameworked from Once, not long ago Since: Jun, 2011
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#1145: Aug 19th 2013 at 5:40:49 AM

[up] That's interesting. I quite enjoyed Season 1 as it was - and would probably agree it comes off very different in tone and apparent direction - but I also got something surprisingly different which I nonetheless also enjoyed out of the later novels and (to a lesser degree due to significant flaws) season 2.

edited 19th Aug '13 5:50:25 AM by UltimatelySubjective

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Arilou Taller than Zim from Quasispace Since: Jan, 2001
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#1146: Aug 19th 2013 at 6:11:38 AM

Yeah, the first season was interesting because it seemed to go into a "How do these people who do not have a healthy relationship develop a healthy sibling-relationship?"

And then the second season just throws that out in favour of the standard incest-fetish stuff.

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UltimatelySubjective Conceptually Frameworked from Once, not long ago Since: Jun, 2011
Conceptually Frameworked
#1147: Aug 19th 2013 at 6:25:45 AM

Though I'd of course disagree; at the very least the second season covers quite a lot of events I would not reduce to merely "incest fetishizing".

Even considering that they cut a lot of miscellaneous occurrences that would have bridged the tone shift.

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fillerdude from Inside Since: Jul, 2010 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#1148: Aug 20th 2013 at 7:29:26 AM

Episodes 15: That's... really bad timing, Kanako. The rejection counter keeps on going up. At least she recovered quickly. Aside from that, Kirino incest stuff I tried very hard to not stop watching.

Episode 16: Oh boy.

  • Astounding that a grand total of one person (in the know) calls Kirino and Kyosuke's relationship disgusting. Kuroneko's already stated she's fine with it so she gets a pass, but Saori and Sena... Huh, does Ayase know?
  • Manami! The fist fight was amusing (and very very fun for a Kirino "hater" like yours truly), and she gets a lot of brownie points for reacting like a person with common sense, but then she also pulls the "I deserve Kyosuke because childhood friend" card which is severely disappointing.
  • And so the forbidden love ends. This is seriously what you rejected Kuroneko and Ayase for, Kyosuke?

I find S2 odd as a whole. I can tolerate incest, but not when it's paired with shoddy storytelling.

edited 20th Aug '13 7:29:50 AM by fillerdude

RJSavoy Reymmã from Edinburgh Since: Apr, 2011 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
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#1149: Aug 22nd 2013 at 12:38:34 PM

This is one of the show I feel most tsundere about. There are plenty of others I have mixed feelings about, but this one has both my affection and a lot of hate. I liked season 1 for mixing some realism and good drama into a pseudo-harem, but at the same time I utterly hated Kirino for being so hostile to someone who was giving her every effort. The incest subtext never stopped being disturbing. For those reasons I paid little attention to Kirino and focused on the others. Kuroneko especially appealed by contrast as a tsundere done right.

Then season 2 meliorated Kirino to be bearable and gave a few episodes of Kuroneko love. But at the same time the incest went past subtext, into a region where I could only see it as an exercise in how far they could push it. And the pacing has been wonky. And then the reject-everyone ending. So it left on me a lot less emotional impact.

The first season remains among the most memorable for me for both good and bad points.

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AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
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#1150: Aug 22nd 2013 at 12:42:42 PM

Overall, I'd have to say that this is one series I kind of enjoyed mostly while it was running, but I'm going to ignore it now when it's done. There's really nothing of worth left.

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