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Edited by Synchronicity on Jul 15th 2023 at 11:35:01 AM
All right, thank you. I know that now. I'm sorry that I've been leaving null-edits, and I now know of the watchlist, I didn't know what that was there for. Thank you for pointing it to me, and again, I am sorry for what has happened.
Lost in Space
All good. Suspension lifted.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
I'd like to have my suspension removed. Not too sure why it's occurred. Might be an edit I made the other day that was a bit clunky. Aside from that, only reason I can think is when I edited someone else's entry, and forgot to add in the reason for edit that their edit was wrong. So sorry about that
Promise I'll be much better behaved if my privileges are reinstated
Lost in Space
~London Purple: You violated our Handling Spoilers policy on Characters.Game Of Thrones House Baratheon Of Kings Landing by spoiling trope names.
edited 21st Apr '14 11:13:21 AM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Right, I remember now. It was Blood from the Mouth or something I didn't blot out. I didn't think the name of the trope was that spoiler-y. But in my defence, in that edit I tried to remove even more obvious spoilers, by covering up Karmic Death, I think.
Anyway, if I get my edit privileges back I'll make sure I'm cautious editing, and cover up any remotely spoiler-y title.
Lost in Space
No, no, no, you aren't getting it. You never, ever spoiler-tag trope names, no matter where they occur. You're talking about doing the opposite of the correct thing.
edited 21st Apr '14 11:54:00 AM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Right, got it. Sorry, got a bit confused by that wording. No spoiler-tagging trope names, got it
Lost in Space
I might have worded it vaguely; my apologies if so. I'll release your suspension since we understand each other.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
@Fighteer Understand.
Lost in Space
@Mabuse: Okay, suspension lifted. Happy troping.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Hello. I am rather new here, so I don't exactly know why my suspension occurred. I didn't really make that many edits in the first place. Telling me what I did wrong so I can prevent it from happening in the future would be great. Thank you.
Lost in Space
You broke one of our most basic rules: don't talk about yourself in articles. One particularly bad example of this occurred on VideoGame.I Wanna Be The Guy.
edited 22nd Apr '14 5:55:00 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
May I please have my suspension lifted? I really like to add new tropes to my favorite shows and characters.
Lost in Space
We'd love to let you edit again, as long as you follow the rules.
You have been violating both our Zero-Context Example and Handling Spoilers policies, as demonstrated on Characters.How I Met Your Mother.
First, all examples must state how they are an example. Listing a trope name by itself or with a meaningless statement like "X is this trope" isn't helpful.
Second, trope names, folder titles, and above-the-line descriptions should never get spoiler tags anywhere on the wiki.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Ah. Okay. I just skimmed the rules when I made this account, so I may have missed that. Now I know not to do that in the future.
Lost in Space
You may want to look over How to Write an Example in its entirety. I'll remove the suspension so you can get to work.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
I read what I have done, and I am terribly sorry for overusing the spoiler use.
Lost in Space
Good. I'll let you edit again as long as you take care to do it properly.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Soo.... I would like to ask an permission to write on the forums again. I understand, that my behavior in the gender issues has been, shall we say, less than stellar. I can understand why my post was thumped and I know that I tend to get overly hostile if I feel that the point I try to make is being intentionally distorted.
However, I also have other threads I'd like to participate and trying to keep track of them using an another account (Mandemo Temp, in case you want to know) is kinda hassle.
Now, if needed, I can promise to not to post in gender issue threads (Sexism, Women's Issues, Men's Issues) as to prevent another case of bad behavior. Might be good idea for me in general to stay away from those threads.
I'd like to... address?... the situation that got me suspended. I kept correcting another user who insisted on trying to vilify a character by adding inaccurate and overly elaborate tropes and views to a character sheet, apparently because he resents the author's politics, and feels that too many fans are validating those politics by admiring a character that arguably reflects them, causing an Edit War.
He appealed to a moderator after a lengthy debate in private messages where I tried to convince him to move his arguments to the YMMV, Discussions and Analysis sections, and that's the last I heard from anyone before being suspended without consultation.
Now that I'm aware that we can in fact call on moderators to resolve issues like that, it's pretty clear I should have done that myself before engaging in a full-fledged Edit War, and I'm sorry I didn't know that, or think that far. I'm not in any danger of making the same mistake again.
That's my side of the story, if anyone's interested. I don't know if it warrants my suspension being lifted or not, but I'd certainly appreciate that.
edited 25th Apr '14 3:20:11 AM by Bishop999
As the suspension message says, it isn't punitive. It isn't just you, it's also the other guy. We just need to halt the action and talk it over. Is the article in the state now which contains this vilification?
Goal: Clear, Concise and Witty
I would say so, yes.
For example, it's my understanding that the defining difference between Anti-Hero and Anti-Villain is that one is meant for protagonists and the other for antagonists, so that attributing both tropes to a single character that remains a protagonist throughout the entire story is both inaccurate and redundant, especially when we both agree that the character is covered more or less perfectly, if imprecisely, by Unscrupulous Hero, an Anti-Hero subtrope. His response to this argument per PM was:
"A character can be a villain in personality, actions, and attitude despite being applauded by the story/author, especially if somebody is a murderous Social Darwinist. It simply amounts to Protagonist Centered Morality, Author On Board, Villain Sue, and similar traits."
His main concern is that the character's actual moral crimes aren't downplayed with "whitewashed apoligism" on the Character page. I've been trying to do that facet of the character's morality justice by describing them as plainly and objectively as possible without bugging the page down with comparatively irrelevant details and over-elaborations. For example by changing something like "he hunted and ate thousands of people alive for sport regardless of whether they were innocent or decent" to "he hunted and ate thousands of people for sport" in regards to the character's back-story.
Apologies, what he said was "whitewashing apologism".
I would agree that Unscrupulous Hero works better than either of the Anti- tropes. It isn't necessary here to clear up the question of whether or no a character can be both a hero and villain at the same time, anti- or otherwise.
Cutting the text about the innocence or otherwise of his past meals doesn't strike me as whitewashing.
I'll make some changes that I hope will put the issue to rest. Let's see how that works out.
Goal: Clear, Concise and Witty
Null-editing, by itself, is not wrong; it's just annoying and means you may not get how the wiki software works. What you want to do is add those articles to your watchlist and check the history pages if any changes show up.
Example: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=FanFic.TotalDramaEquestria
edited 21st Apr '14 7:01:24 AM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"