Cleanup Thread: MCU Character Pages

In regards to Raimi and TASM Spidey, I was suggesting that their NWH folders are combined with their original pages and links to their pages are put in the MCU character index (like with the previously mentioned Wolverine and Deadpool) pages.

Also I have an X-Men Film Series question. Someone made a link on the MCU: Pietro Maximoff page under variants to the X-Men Film Series: X-Men (New Timeline) page since the X-Men films are being made part of the MCU. Should the entire folder for Peter Maximoff be moved to the Pietro Maximoff page for simplicity? And should the folder for Earth-838 Xavier be moved to the X-Men Film Series: Professor Charles Xavier page?

I actually wanted to do that, but I wanted to start with smaller movements first to see if people noticed and/or objected.

Though if everyone else on here is cool with it, I'd be more than willing to do it, particularly with Charles Xavier.

Personally I think they should be. The X-Men films are technically different from say the Spider-Man Trilogy in my opinion, since Deadpool & Wolverine counts as a film in both franchises, unlike the Spider-Man related stuff which are separate franchises that had a crossover with the MCU in NWH. Obviously if enough people disagree that's fine, but that's how I see it.

Also while I know this isn't an MCU question (I was going to create a query but since we're discussing it), but should separate folders be created for Xavier, Mystique, Jean Grey, and Magneto for their new timeline/post Do FP counterparts?

I'm on board with segregating tropes from the original and new timeline for these X-Men pages.

Edited by MaxyGregoryyyy on Mar 19th 2024 at 9:11:33 PM

I don't think we should be messing with the X-Men pages too much until we know to what degree the Fox-Men are being integrated.

For the sake of organization and preserving authorial intent, I'd rather they stay separate until the character becomes involved directly in the MCU. As such, I'm opposed to listing Fox Quicksilver as a Quicksilver variant, at least until a direct connection is drawn between them.

It's the same issue I've had with the proliferation of Alternate Self. Unless the work is the one making the parallel, a different adaptation of Quicksilver existing doesn't automatically need to be listed. Otherwise why not just list every single media appearance Quicksilver has ever had? They're all part of the Marvel Multiverse within the same canon.

We're not a fan wiki; our main purpose is cataloging narrative conventions. Leave the meticulous multiverse listing to those wikis. If it's not narratively relevant, we don't need to list it.

Edited by MurlocAggroB on Mar 19th 2024 at 8:20:03 AM

So what are the pages/characters that can be made or merged?

• Spider-Man Trilogy: Spider-Man can be merged with Raimi-Verse Peter Parker/Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man from MCU: Peter Parker Variants
• MCU: Norman Osborn can be merged with Spider-Man Trilogy: Green Goblin
• Spider-Man Trilogy: Otto Octavius is already done. I'm 50/50 on changing the page to be Spider Man Trilogy Doctor Octopus
• Sandman might not reach character count even with his Variant.
• The Amazing Spider-Man Series: Spider-Man can be merged with Webb-Verse Peter Parker/Amazing Spider-Man from MCU: Peter Parker Variants
• Lizard might just barely reach byte count.
• I've made Sandbox.The Amazing Spider Man Series Electro, which is at 45,742 characters and has both the original and his variant. I'm not sure if it'll launch though.
• Fox Quicksilver could probably be merged with MCU Quicksilver, but I think the page name would have to be changed to something Quicksilver as they have different names and would be a shared page between the two franchise.

I think that's everything being talked about at the moment, or at least how I see it.

I'm against merging the characters from different film series, especially Quicksilver. Peter is a major character in the X-Men films, so reducing him to a mere Variant of MCU Pietro (who made far less appearances than him) doesn't feel right to me. Plus, I think it makes things too complicated to follow for people who only watch one the different film series.

We’re discussing merging the MCU tropes of Tobey and Andrew’s Peter Parker’s to their respective pages. Following the uniformity and logic of that, we should not place Peter Maximoff under Pietro Maximoff’s page.

I’m also against merging the Quicksilver’s. I thought other people wanted to so I included it.

In regards to adding Fox Quicksilver's folder to MCU Quicksilver's page, I think we don't need to wait since as I mentioned earlier Deadpool & Wolverine counts as a film in both franchises, being part of phase 5 and a direct sequel to Deadpool 2. So they're more connected than the MCU is to something like the SSU or TASM films. If people disagree with me that's fine, but I think that might be something that needs to be decided.

But yes in regards to all the Spider-Man related characters, if they have a page like Raimi/Webb Spider-Man (or could have a page if they're MCU folders were added) then they should be combined.

I have a question, since both X-Men Film Series: Wolverine and X-Men Film Series: Deadpool have a character index for both MCU and X-Men, should I add the Sony's Spider-Man Universe index to MCU: Peter Parker and MCU: Adrian Toomes since both appear in the SSU? Also should the MCU character index be added to SSU: Eddie Brock / Venom?

That’s a tricky one because they're all minor roles while Wade and Logan are the main characters of their MCU movie

Edited by MaxyGregoryyyy on Apr 6th 2024 at 1:00:54 AM

MCU: Multiverse is at capacity. Any ideas on creating a subpage?

Split off undesignated universes?

I’m not sure how precedented this is, but maybe create a subpage specifically for alternate universes shown only in What If…? (2021)?

Aren't there some characters that exceed 40,000 bytes for whom we can create page and add their variants?

Frankly, a lot of those character folders seem unnecessary to me. There is no reason we need, for example, every single cameo/background character from Party Thor’s episode. You could easily consolidate that into a general “Partygoers” folder or something, or just delete them wholesale and add Alternate Self in the mainline character’s folder summarizing what little they do/what few tropes apply to them in that universe.

I made a sandbox called MCU: Hope van Dyne that'll remove Hope's folders from the page. Feel free to edit it until it reaches enough bytes. I know the site is becoming stricter with the character specific page requirement but I think characters with variant folders should be kept as it prevents MCU: Multiverse from having too many bytes.

I agree the Variants folders should be kept, especially since the Multiverse Saga means many of these characters aren't just regular alternate versions that can be described in the Alternate Self trope, and instead have pretty large role. Kang and Captain Carter are obvious examples.

In regards to MCU: Multiverse, I think the only ways to fix it is make another page for universes with their own designations and combined some folders. There are a few folders which only have the same one or two tropes (usually The Cameo), and could easily be combined into one folder for all of these characters.

The problem with making pages for the other universes is that none of them have over 40k bytes when separated except for Earth-838 which is why it has its own page.

Hey, can I move Ward Meachum to MCU: Defenders? I think it's a more fitting spot for him than MCU: White Collar Criminals due to his Heel–Face Turn.

He's not really an ally. Maybe put him and Joy back under MCU: Companies?