Cleanup Thread: MCU Character Pages

I'm not sure about Iron Man's or Spider-Man's Allies, but Thor has enough characters to warrent it. I would suggest adding Sif and the Warrior's Three, maybe Loki but as a link.

I mean, MCU: Pym Family already exists with only three people, so the number of characters on the page shouldn't quite be an issue here.

I guess. In that case, they all work.

I will say though, I'd keep Sif and the Warriors Three on the Asgard page. They may genuinely be Thor's allies, but their loyalty is to the Asgardian Throne first and foremost, not to the man himself, whereas Valkyrie, Korg, and Miek fight for his agenda instead of the Throne's. I would link the Asgard page on a hypothetical "Thor's Allies" page and obviously link to Loki's, but I'd only include the characters currently on the Allie's page right now.

I mean they did repeatedly disobey Odin and Loki when they were in charge of Asgard to help Thor. So I think they are more loyal to him.

Also I was looking at MCU: Companies – Stark Industries and I was thinking of Splitting it into MCU: Stark Family, move Pepper Potts to it, and move the company only characters back to MCU: Companies.

Fair point on the Asgardians, but I personally don't see a point in messing with the SI page right now - it's fine as it is, and splitting it further doesn't really seem necessary

I created a sandbox for MCU Stark Family. It's at 76,381 bytes. The only remaining characters are Jason Wilkes and Anton Vanko, who can be moved back to the companies page.

Edited by GateStarX on Jun 24th 2022 at 10:54:31 AM

I repeat that I personally don't see a reason to make that page and that I think the SI page is fine as it is.

First off, I haven't done anything yet, just a sandbox, so no need for the hostility. Also I think I works better split. There isn't even a in general folder about stark industries. It also removes Pepper from the Avengers Allies page. We could probably add Happy since i guess he functions as personal driver originally. This can work in place of a Iron Man Allies page.

Edited by GateStarX on Jun 24th 2022 at 10:59:19 AM

I do realize that it's a Sandbox and not an actual page, but you gotta admit it's at least a little odd when someone chimes in to say "I don't personally feel the need for this page to be split" and then the next post is you preparing a Sandbox for the split. Now, if others disagree then go right ahead, but I personally don't feel the need to make the split and think the SI page is just fine as it is, and I personally feel like Happy and Pepper fit better on the Allies page than moving them anywhere else (especially Happy, since he works with Spider-Man independently of the Starks). Do with that what you will.

Edited by STARCRUSHER99 on Jun 24th 2022 at 2:00:03 PM

I was already making it when you posted. I wanted to see what the byte count would be. I think the split serves multiple functions; merging a couple superfluous characters to a more appropriate page, removing characters from the avengers allies page, and placing Iron Man and War Machines Allies in a more easily accessible page.

You know what? You've convinced me. Obviously wait for more thoughts and we need to cleanup all the entries first, but that move does make sense when you put it like that.

Ok. I added Happy, the AI's, and a link to War Machine to MCU: Stark Family which now is at 98,753 bytes.

I also was looking at the Pym Family and it occurred to me to add the Lang Family and Scott's friends as associates.

Edited by GateStarX on Jun 25th 2022 at 12:32:46 PM

Since we're both in agreement and the Avengers Allies page needs to be cut down, I'm just going to go ahead and launch the Stark Family page.

Wait, we should clean it up and see if anyone else objects first - it's 2:00 AM EST, a lot of people are just asleep. It's a bit of a big move, so we should take some time and make sure there's no objections or issues we're just missing

I'm also not sure how I feel about those potential moves to the Pym family page - lemme sleep on it

Edited by STARCRUSHER99 on Jun 24th 2022 at 2:46:15 PM

I can wait on the Pym moves, but I did the Stark moves, and it got the avengers allies under the limit. I think it works out. Getting the over limit issue fixed should be first priority.

Ok the links are moved and the page is officially launched.

Edited by GateStarX on Jun 25th 2022 at 12:13:46 PM

I changed the name of the Defenders page just to MCU: Defenders. I'm not going to move any characters, but formatting and accessibility wise it makes more sense just to have the page as "Defenders". I am informing everyone beforehand and since just updating a page name should count as a minor move I should be good to go as long as I inform everyone.

I have also created the following sandboxes: MCUSHIELD, MCU: HYDRA, and MCUMultiverse. the S.H.I.E.L.D. and HYDRA sandboxes are for the merged subpages. The HYDRA page is displaying a too long notice though, but a couple of characters could probably be moved off of it. The Multiverse sandbox is for character tropes split off from their main pages for the Chronicom altered timeline and the Time Heist Timelines. I haven't gotten all the characters yet but I'm still looking. No actual moves have taken place. I'm also going to sleep now. Just FYI

Edited by GateStarX on Jun 25th 2022 at 2:28:00 AM

I've started reorganising the Alternate Self tropes. Some of the variants only have Alternate Self in their folders, so I'm opening it up to ideas on how to avoid an influx of empty folders.

If that's the only example in some folders I would say just delete the characters with no tropes.

What was the problem with the way Alternate Self was being used in the first place? I thought it was a good way to emphasize how each variant was different from their Sacred Timeline counterpart.

For the most part Alternate Self wasn't telling us anything that the intro or the other tropes hadn't already covered.

Also, with the byte counts reaching capacity it just makes sense to keep it down to one per character.

Should Kate Bishop, Red Guardian, and She-Hulk be moved to MCU: Avengers – Allies? I know that it would probably put the page over the limit, but disregarding that for a moment wouldn't it make more sense for them to be in the allies section?

Also I'm going to launch MCU: Nick Fury. He's over 40K bytes, unlike Harrow and Klaue he's had multiple appearances, the SHIELD Leadership page is long enough without him, and he's slated for his own series soon with Secret Invasion. I think that's enough for him to have a page. I would even say Nick Fury is a main character in the MCU. I also think it was given the go-ahead once upon a time but never got done. Just letting everyone know.

I'm also thinking of removing the SSR from the SHIELD Index. While it is apart of its history, they are two different organizations. I was going to just do it, but I gave it a little more thought and wanted to open it up to the floor. Since Peggy Carter is closely tied to both organizations I wasn't sure what to do.

Also, I'm going to move Coulson's car Lola to his page since its an object that is mainly assoicated with him, like Mjolnir for Thor. Also since it Nick Fury's SUV is on his page.

Edited by GateStarX on Jun 26th 2022 at 2:22:34 AM

The Fury launch looks okay, as does the Lola move. I think the SSR should stay in the SHIELD index, especially since while they're not the same organization, the SSR was pretty much the foundation for SHIELD and Peggy overlaps with them both, and while I could see Alexei and Kate being moved to the Allies page instead of Other Superheroes, I'm gonna say that She-Hulk should stay where she is until her show comes out.

Honestly, I was under the assumption that the MCU Avengers-Allies page was exclusively for the non-superhero allies of the Avengers. In fact, I was recently thinking that the Pym family would probably fit better in the Other Superheroes page, as they all are or have been superheroes.

Speaking of this page, I wonder if Harley Keener should be added to Tony Stark's allies, as he technically helped Tony in fighting the Extremis soldiers (by throwing a snowball, but still, he saved Tony by doing this...). What do you guys think?

BTW, I still think Valkyrie should be left on the Asgard page. Even when she was introduced on Sakaar, the fact that she was from Asgard was an important plot point, and after that film she went on to become none other than the ruler of Asgard, so yeah she's very much associated with Asgard. I'm pretty sure most people would look for Thor's Asgardian allies (the Warrior's Three, Sif, Heimdall and Valkyrie) on the Asgardian page, and even if some people come to the Avengers Allies page hoping to find her, I think they can notice the Asgard redirect at the bottom of the page and understand that she's most likely there.

Edited by Mimic45 on Jun 26th 2022 at 4:26:21 PM

I put the Pym Family as allies because narratively, there’s far more focus on them as allies of Scott rather than as heroes in their own right, even for Hope who’s active in the present day. And the only issue with the “non-super powered allies” is that by that logic, Billy and Tommy should go on other superheroes. After thinking on everything, I think it makes most sense that if we move anyone that was previously suggested to the Allies page, it should just be Alexei. Jennifer’s show isn’t out yet so we don’t know where she should be quite yet and so I don’t want to move her, while Kate’s story is all about gaining the confidence and skill to be a hero in her own right, so keeping her separate from Clint makes sense to me.

I’m also down for the Harley move - they considered him enough of an ally to bring him to Tony’s funeral and that’s good enough for me.

I can go either way on Valkyrie

Edited by STARCRUSHER99 on Jun 26th 2022 at 10:36:54 AM