Never Trust a Trailer as Trivia?

I might not be the best person to ask that question. I mean, I honestly can't think of a reason myself, but if someone more knowledgeable about this stuff can give one, I'm all ears.

How would people feel about making a Marketing/ namespace to put things like Never Trust a Trailer, Trailers Always Spoil, Late-Arrival Spoiler, and so forth? Thus, for example, Film.Star Wars would cover the actual movies, and Marketing.Star Wars would cover how the movies were advertised.

(I know about the Advertising/ namespace, but that is for describing advertising campaigns as discrete works rather than supporting art).

It's a division that has been needed for a long time, but the legwork to comb over the wiki is not a small feat, and that's not including possible coding to give the tab its own fancy icon.

Technically, though, trailers and the like do qualify as individual works. That's exactly why we can trope and cite them in the pre-release stage. So Advertising would be a good fit. Unfortunately, our attempt at trying something like it didn't work.

As for the original question, I understood that mainspace tropes can be seen and confirmed by just the work alone, while Trivia is based on background real-life info (production, advertising, interviews, reactions of the creators themselves, etc). Under that logic, Never Trust a Trailer should be mainspace, because a trailer not being accurate to the full work can be seen and confirmed just by watching them alone.

Sorry, I don't think it's that simple.

Bumping in case there's people out there who want to add to this discussion.

Bumping because the discussion was left hanging and I want to continue where we left off.

I'm not really sure how else to argue the point- you need to explain why you don't think it's as simple as we're saying it is.

We? As far as I know, it was only Grigor II who was making that argument. You, on the other hand, were discussing namespaces with other tropers. That's why I said the discussion was left hanging.

Speaking of which, what the hell do they mean by "watching them alone"? I'm not saying their argument is invalid, I just need clarification on what they meant to say when they wrote that phrase.

Grigor's argument lines up with what my argument was meant to be, though. That is, that because trailers qualify as their own creative works, what happens in them is objective enough to be troped (hence the unreleased work policy)- because you can collect information from the trailers themselves. Since this trope is about comparison between what's technically two "works", it's not trivia since trailers aren't background information.

What do you mean by "background information?"

Edited by JHD on Jan 21st 2022 at 7:00:46 AM

Trivia is about background information that exists externally to the work. It can't be discovered simply by watching the work. Never Trust a Trailer is about the comparison between the work and its promotional material, and these differences objectively exist and can be spotted just by watching these two things.

I gotcha now.

Ignore

Edited by JHD on Jan 24th 2022 at 8:22:56 AM