X-Men '97 (Disney +): Continuation of X-Men: The Animated Series

From what I understand, One Man's Worth might have been the inspiration for AOA.

The episode apparently predates the comic book arc.

Well, prediction of it, anyway, as I think “One Man’s Worth” aired after AoA saw print. Still, it might be different enough to try.

AOA (as a Bad Future) is actually likely considering how prominent Cable is.

Edited by MorningStar1337 on Apr 12th 2024 at 3:01:09 AM

If we get Schism I want the leader opposing Cyclops to be someone other than Wolverine. Storm makes the most logical sense and Jean, if she doesn't go into the cosmos to be one with the Phoenix or whatever, would be the most interesting character wise. And she's the student Professor X was closest to so it would make sense for her to uphold his ideals.

Guess we can add grooming to the list of Big Dick Magnus' crimes

Edited by Augustus813 on Apr 12th 2024 at 4:53:04 AM

Was it really grooming? This isn't a Slade/Terra situation, Rogue was an adult when she was with him, albeit a young one. And while Magneto is seen initiating the relationship, there's no indication that he pressured her into it.

Edited by LadyBlackwood on Apr 12th 2024 at 9:07:13 AM

, While I think the terms grooming and coercion are debatable. It's certainly unethical in my opinion, he's a position of power/authority/responsibility for Rogue. He doesn't have to actively use that for the relationship to be immoral

So I just realized something.

If everyone had been a bit calmer, they could have done what Gambit did at the end without him needing to die. The Sentinel was focused on blasting Magneto, but that left it completely open to attack. All Rogue had to do was fly Gambit close so he could charge the bastard up and then fly him away.

Of course, that would have require Rogue to not panic when he saw Erik in danger and focus on saving him, but hey, hindsight.

In fairness to them, it's easy to say you'll think rationally about combat tactics when you're not currently being shot at by a giant three-headed robot that's vaporizing a quarter of the people in your general radius every second it lives. One can't really fault everyone present for letting panic and surprise get the better of them, everyone at the massacre was in pure panic "move or you WILL die" mode, whether they be mutant, human, or even sentinel.

In regards to tone, frankly X-Men has had a major edge in terms of darkness for pretty much it's whole history ever since Claremont came along and revamped it into it is now. I've mentioned before my feeling that X-Men is basically a cyberpunk horror story with costumes and codenames. So brutal subject matter like this is to be expected. And the 90s were no exception to that, and in fact had some of the series' darkest storylines and characters.

Though I do agree that it being overdone is a mark of bad writing for the series; when X-Men is good, yeah it's often dark and scary, but it's got more than enough lighthearted-ness to keep things balanced. As much as I loath to quote Joss Wheadon, he was very right when he said "make it grim, make it tough, but than for the love of God, tell a fucking joke", and X-Men generally holds to that when it has decent writers on it; the Genoshan Massacre in the comics was immediately followed by a burst of pure Gallows Humor where Beast tells a skeleton that his dating days might be over, complete with a subsequent acknowledgement that gallows humor is the only thing keeping him from a mental breakdown over what just happened.

The show itself has demonstrated this; just before all this, we were watching Jubilee and Sunspot going on wacky Mojo adventures to give us some breathing room between the intense arcs, and the show further knows when to restrain/tone down the darkness for better story results, as shown by how it massively scaled back the Genoshan Massacre and other such "mutant genocide" arcs from wiping out a huge portion of the mutant population to just killing a couple hundred, maybe a thousand people at most, still horrific, but not cartoonishly "this should be changing the entirety of global society not paving way for a soft reboot" bad.

I'm reminded of a thing with Schism that a reason why Storm wasn't the one who opposed Cyclops was because she was over at Black Panther at the time so the role fell to Wolverine.

If they ever do Schism here it be better if the opposer was changed to Storm. Makes a whole bunch more sense than Wolverine who only got the position from popularity power.

Yeah, that makes sense. Storm and Cyclops have had bouts over leadership before and Ororo is much more the type to object strenuously to how Scott handled things on Utopia than Logan was (who'd have been more likely to say "finally grew a brain, Summers?" than anything).

Yeah, that era wasn't good for the X-Men.

I do think in hindsight, "Motendo" and its message with Jubilee was a heads-up for about this episode given how dark things got.

Getting back to "Remember It", if I may speculate on an issue some have brought up with pacing, I think it might be because something like what happened with Genosha would normally happen in part one of a season finale, not the midway point of the season. Also, while Remy might be dead for now, I don't think Magneto is because unless I missed something, there's still stuff with him from the earlier trailers we've still yet to see. Besides, if we are comparing to the stuff in New X-Men, remember, retcons aside, Morrison did intend for Xorn to be Magneto, so regardless of how they handled Magneto, they always intended for him to survive Cassandra Nova's attack.

Edited by Anicomicgeek on Apr 12th 2024 at 12:28:10 PM

My suspicion is that Gambit is absolutely dead for real (and will only be "brought back" as a Horseman, probably in a way that ends in him dying again) while Magneto will turn out to be okay. As for where he goes from there... who can say. They might have him stay on the side of good, they might stick to the Morrison run (and what came just before it) and have him go back to villainy. I don't think they'll do the Xorn plot, or if they do they'll rework it to be someone other than Magneto under the helmet. Maybe they'll play off the twin brother thing and have Xorn get kidnapped and replaced by said twin as a Mythology Gag to the original comic, assuming Xorn shows up at all (which I honestly hope he does, he's easily my favorite of the Morrison era X-Men).

You're correct.

As for Gambit, I think I'd prefer he stay dead. He went out in a dignified way befitting of a hero and as sad as it was to lose him, I think adaptations should avoid the comics' problems of treating death like a joke.

I just finished watching One Man's Worth

That episode convinced me Ororo and Logan make a better couple than Jean and Logan.

I'm surprised why that pairing isn't more of a thing.

The Team Mom and Dad seem like a perfect fit and it lacks any unhealthy obsessions.

I'm most surprised that the episode outright showcased anti-black racism. Most cartoons are too cowardly to ever do that and instead use some kind of stand-in.

It is funny Storm telling it how quaint it was.

I think that's because it's obvious at point this cartoon is more for the adults who grew up with the show than any actual kids.

To be fair, the 92 cartoon DID show actual racism but only as "A lesser evil than Mutant Racism, quaint even."

The former showrunner actually adressed that one scene on a twit about the Wham Episode.

EDIT: BTW that "Obvious" part was not meant to look down on you or criticize you, just pointing out this is indeed not meant for kids.

Edited by AegisP on Apr 14th 2024 at 6:18:04 AM

I suspect slimcoder WAS talking about the 1992 cartoon in their post.

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No offense, but I think that ship has already sailed given how season 2 of the original series opened.

Edited by Anicomicgeek on Apr 14th 2024 at 1:04:45 PM

Storm and Wolverine were the odd couple that actually worked. A tiny part of me hopes they are the endgame couple by the end of '97. However I think Forge and Storm will be the major pairing going foward.

Jean's and Logan's relationship in the original Animated Series was quite of a flop. It wasn't like the close relationship in the live action films, but was just Wolverine being bitter about Jean being with Cyclops. That angle has not aged well, as it unintentionally makes Wolverine look like a stalker of Jean. I wish they pair XAS Wolverine with another character, so he can finally move on.

Logan's entire thing with Jean has not aged well pretty much everywhere.

In the comics the only time Jean has ever reciprocated was a form of writer revolt by Claremont, who was furious that Marvel resurrected Jean and made Cyclops leave his wife for X-Factor. And in Morrison's run Jean was simply in a weak place of her marriage, and wanted to hurt Cyclops so making a move on Logan was something she would have done with anyone.

In the movies Logan is an absolute creep, moving in on an engage woman and dogging her fiancee for no reason (Scott was nothing if not polite to him, and Logan thought he's a square lame-o). And the narrative enables this with the second movie having everyone act like he has a super bond with Jean, to even Storm wanting to give them room alone together despite logically Storm should be Cyclops friend more than Jean.

Most people I've seen have a fervant hatred of the lovd triangle, and wish Marvel would stop furthering Logan's toxic obsession with Jean. Especially here since every moment Logan has has something to do with Jean.

Edited by slimcoder on Apr 15th 2024 at 12:07:27 PM

Yeah. It's clear the Love Triangle has never been that. Logan's obsession with Jean has done him zero favours, and they should let him move on.

Edited by HandsomeRob on Apr 15th 2024 at 12:21:55 PM