Marvel's Loki

He wouldn't, of course. He just wants to see it with his own eyes. But he did say outright that he's leaving the T.V.A. so one assumes he's going to do the same thing Sylvie and Brad did: Just go, like, get a life somewhere. It doesn't actually matter if it's the same one he used to have.

You don't need to return to your original place in time to find some place to live and live well.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Nov 13th 2023 at 7:19:30 AM

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He should try to combine both aspects of his old and new life into one.

And that will happen by becoming a drug lord named Don Mobius.

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He becomes a famous racecar driver. Kachow!

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It's a fail-safe from HWR's perspective. Obviously not from the TVA's, nor any of the timelines that it obliterates when it goes critical, but that's not the point. He sees things on a much larger scale, as he would given his established characterization.

There's a very interesting analogy in Dune, which discusses the phenomenon of prescience using a metaphor of sand dunes or ocean waves. Most people sit at the bottom, only able to see what's immediately around them. Someone with limited foresight may stand atop a rise or crest and see farther than most, but they're limited by the next-highest peak. The higher you stand, the more of the big picture you can see.

HWR stands high enough that the TVA and all of its eons of operation are a mere wave in the larger ocean. His hubris is in trying to shape the ocean to his will: to dam it or tame it so that it always generates a single outcome. Loki chooses an even higher vision: to allow it to flow as it will, only intervening if storms threaten to overwhelm it.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"

Something curious is that for someone as ambitious as Loki used to be, becoming the most powerful being in the multiverse, but being left alone, can be considered a case of ironic Hell.

He has more power than he has ever dreamed of, but while being completely alone.

Edited by Luisdalas on Nov 13th 2023 at 2:50:54 AM

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Just got around to watching Season 2. I said at the end of Season 1 that it looked like they were foreshadowing just how enormously powerful Loki had the potential to be if only he could change his mentality... I didn't quite expect this outcome, however.

I don't know the comics, so Loki's fate reminds me of his both his name's etymology and one of his mythological fates. His name may come from a word that refers to knots and tangled webs (both fishing nets and spider webs have been associated with him as a result). This etymology also associates him with loops... so, hello, time loops. He was also bound by the entrails of one of his sons to have venom dripped on him by a serpent's tongue while his wife holds a bowl over him to catch the poison and protect him. Everytime she has to empty to bowl, he suffers searing agony from the venom until Sigyn can bring back the bowl. Loki writing in pain is what causes the Earth to experience earthquakes.

This Loki is handling a tangled multiversal web and has effectively bound himself in a prison of his own making. All we need now is the venomous snake and his writhing will cause quakes across entire timelines.

Edited by Wyldchyld on Nov 14th 2023 at 1:27:58 PM

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There's been a bunch of new interviews recently, as if Marvel took Tom Hiddleston, Sophia Di Martino and the rest prisoner and forced them to talk for dear life.

I was right, Eliot's quote was Tom Hiddleston doing. Not only that, it is so strangely fitting because it was not merely a throwaway line. Hiddleston loves that poem, so they used it as the inspiration while writing Loki and discussed it a lot in the writing room.

Interviews where he talks about it and cites different parts of the poem: One (1:20), Two (10:50), Three (6:15), Four (1:45).

Edited by Asherinka on Nov 17th 2023 at 12:26:34 PM

That scene is really odd without the interpretation that Loki is testing He Who Remains to see if he remembers all of the iterations that Loki is going through.

The interviews are all happening because the actors' strike is over. They couldn't promote anything during the strike.

Edited by Fighteer on Nov 17th 2023 at 3:22:59 PM

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"

Yep, this is how I understood it as well. HWR didn't see that coming.

Yeah, I know, but it is funny anyway.

Edited by Asherinka on Nov 17th 2023 at 12:32:51 PM

Welp, now that the show is over and I've got free time, I'm going to binge it all all at once in one glorious emotional roller coaster. Wish me luck!

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.

Good luck! You're doing the same thing I did with Season 1, haha.

Trust no one.

Good luck and come back here when you're done

Some stuff from interviews re Sylvie's future:

• Eric Martin: Sylvie is interesting, because of all the stuff with Mc Donald's and her living that quiet life. It feels very gap year-ish. "I'm not quite ready to grow up and do the thing." And she was pulled out of that. Now the work begins.
• Sophia Di Martino: Basically says the same, a long read.

Both interviews came out after this tweet from the leaker who got almost everything correct about Loki season 2: "Sylvie will do what everyone is theorizing Loki will do next: bring together the Avengers, see Thor, and help fight the Kangs."

Edited by Asherinka on Nov 17th 2023 at 1:02:29 AM

So, I'm starting this. Didn't bother when it was coming out due to a lack of time and an inexplicable lack of interest - I thought Loki S1 was probably the best Marvel series at the time and definitely the most cohesive and one that shat the bed the least at the end (Wandavision was amazing but definitely lost steam and none of the others came close). I'm not sure why I wasn't more excited for 2, maybe Kang exhaustion.

But then I saw a Youtube ad that was just Loki and Mobius chatting with Data and... yeah. Had to watch it. I don't understand Disney's marketing nowadays, honestly. I'm a pretty online guy and this was all they needed to do to pull me in and yet I hadn't seen this much? It's like how when Wish came out, I genuinely wasn't sure it was even out and managed to spend an entire morning as a captive audience to Disney Jr. and not see a single Wish ad.

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Ke Huy Quan's involvement wasn't promoted heavily because it's supposed to be a surprise to the audience. But he is indeed a breakout character in the show and rocketed to the top of my favorite MCU sidekicks.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"

I'd really like for O.B to show up in Deadpool 3. I feel him interacting with more characters outside of the TVA would be super fun.

I can just imagine him meeting Wolverine and admiring his skills, wondering if he could learn a thing or two from him.

Trust no one.

No, O.B. was a main player in pretty much all of the ads that I saw. They might have underplayed how important O.B. was to the plot, but they promoted the hell out of his role existing.

I think Loki just got caught up in the same "no ads" shitstorm that screwed over The Marvels. The marketing was pretty light, although not as noticeably since the show had better prerelease word-of-mouth.

Yeah, I can't say if he was promoted in the ada or not because it wasn't until yesterday that I got hit by one.

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Well, maybe I just managed to miss most of the ads. I hate watching trailers after the early ones because they always go out of their way to spoil as much as possible.

Still, Ke is such a surprise hit as Ouroboros. I love him to death.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"