Anime/ Mushoku Tensei: Jobless Reincarnation

Gotta agree. Also helps Rudy bit off more than he could chew, too.

Yeah I think the whole bratty Eris schtick was a misfire, but we got a sweet fight out of it at least. As for Slyphiette I hope she’s getting tutelage from Zenith.

Rudy was on his way to grooming Sylphie, even if it might have been an intense reaction I'm glad Paul kicked him out.

As for Eris, her behaviour apparently has to do with the mentioned but not seen grandfather, who source readers have informed me was meant to have some scenes this episode. Since she mentioned him, they're probably going to show him in the next one.

Edited by Mami on Feb 9th 2021 at 1:31:15 PM

Yea it goes a bit differently in the manga, where we meet her grandfather and learn more about their family dynamic first, before the kidnapping happens.

The anime shows us more about Eris first, so we'll probably get the grandfather and family dynamic next.

>I'm honestly not sure if its meant to be just the characters or the authors opinion. But I really disagree with the whole thing re Paul with Sylphie needing to grow apart from Rudy.

It's hard to say. Paul is at times an incredible selfish asshole and at times a decent man. part of it reads as coming across as very selfish since he has more kids to raise and can't really deal with Rudeus, and part of it comes across as trying to avoid having Rudeus be more like him. And part of it seems to be necessity, as this is the only job he could arrange that could pay for tutoring, and Paul seems to think Rudeus would never have agreed to this.

The tone of the story being what it is, it's often hard to tell whether we're supposed to agree with certain things or whether characters being awful is intended.

Edited by devak on Feb 9th 2021 at 2:42:22 PM

I hate the stable scene. It did not need to exist. Escalating Rudy's thought crimes to full on sexual assault of a fucking 10 year old is just disgusting.

And the worst part is that it's inconsequential to the whole episode, which was actually really good from a world building perspective and dropped some interesting foreshadowing to what will probably be related to future events (the sky fortress and the Laplace war) and some genuinely nice character building moments between Eris, Rudy and Ghislaine

Yeah, it's really annoying how Rudeus seems to be trying really hard to make you hate him, when just about everything else the show has to offer is so damn good.

Incidentally, Eris is pretty much my favourite character now, purely because it's cathartic as fuck to see her beat the shit out of him. I'm under the impression she's a really unpopular character, and maybe in another show I'd be inclined to agree... but, y'know. Rudy exists.

Nah, of all the importance female cast, I've gotten the impression that Sylphie's the least popular. Eris comes second and Roxy's on top

Edit: the discussion thread on reddit for this episode is unambiguously awful Jesus Christ. Either the show has no merits and you've got bad taste for liking it or you've got to accept Rudy being a pedo sex offender lest you're just a prude who should go back to watch you're common low brain power isekai.

Edited by Mami on Feb 14th 2021 at 8:55:03 PM

It's honestly not all that surprising his family in his previous life ended up kicking him out.

Going off discussion elsewhere, it seems like the sex pest stuff is part of the appeal for people since it's so different from other isekai.

I don't like either takes ಠ∀ಠ. Like, I don't care enough about isekai to want this brand of characterization just cause it's not bland.

Except it's not really all that different from other Isekai. There are Isekai protagonists that are like Rudy.

Not sure if quite exactly the same. Kazuma for example is definently a sleazy bastard, but he's a dumb teenage one which lowers the skeeviness meter on top of him not really chasing underage girls(in the context that they aren't prepubescent). Rudy, on the other hand is a 34 year old(even if in the body of a child) who openly pervs on girls both his mental and physical age which is just way ups the Squick factor of things, at least in my opinion.

The point is that 'being a creepy perv' isn't exactly a character trait that makes him stand out from the pack. Like maybe if you've never seen it before. But it's kind of the first thing LN authors tend reach for when they try to give the protagonist a 'non-generic' personality.

Liked the episode myself.

Not really defending Rudy, either.

Next Ep is gonna be even better, knowing whats coming.

Okay, so I still hate Eris, but Rudy deserved the beatdown from her this episode. Seriously, he actually groped the chest and tried to pull off the underwear of a sleeping girl. What the fuck. He's a piece of shit.

Eris' grandfather seems to be almost as insufferable as her, so I guess that's where Eris' violent streak comes from. It just reminds me how odd it is that Rudy had to come along before Eris started developing some manners. Eris' father and grandfather seem to both care about her and know that she needs to learn basic courtesy.

It's disheartening to learn that Ghislaine had to resort to eating poop because she was bad at math. Truly, arithmetic is important.

I'd like to know why that random vendor is trying to sell aphrodisiac to a, what, six? Seven? Seven year old boy. It only worked because Rudy is a piece of shit deep inside.

Rudy is definitely gonna go to that Sky Castle thing sometime. Despite very significant gripes, I actually liked the slow pace of this episode, and Rudy's interactions with Eris and Ghislaine (aside from certain scenes) were legitimately amusing.

The Aprhodisaic scene is Anime only, though one does pop up much later, it will probably be in the second cour's final stretch.

Its because the Entire Greyrat bloodline is full of perverts, literally all of them, and the merchant said that Rudeus's Father would love it as a hint to that. As is all the beast people.

Edited by Demongodofchaos2 on Feb 15th 2021 at 6:51:52 AM

x2 I saw this explanation for why Eris ended up the way she is despite her parental figures

I mean I understand that they were fine with her being illiterate, what I don’t get is that they’re fine with Eris being a colossal jerk. Philip seems normal, so maybe the grandpa is super doting and just lets Eris do whatever she wants?

Kind of interesting now that I think about it, we haven’t seen any JRPG-style monsters in the wild, huh.

Also forgot to mention, good job Ghislaine for learning math. May you never have to eat poop again.

Edited by fillerdude on Feb 16th 2021 at 1:39:51 AM

x3

What, even Norn and Aisha?

Aisha who in the original webnovels dates her nephew. Though apparently that plotline still exists in the light novel, but the arc that was tied to it didn't get transferred. No clue about Norn though, she seems to be fine relationship wise but I don't know that much about her.

x2 well so far we've been in protected areas. Though going by the teaser trailer we will be seeing monsters soon

Edited by Mami on Feb 16th 2021 at 11:15:11 AM

Wow so Rudy is actually a sexual predator in this life. You'd think he'd introspect a bit about copying Paul, but I suspect Rudy does not understand consent.

Eris was great this episode though, after seeing her grandfather I now understand why she's the way she is.

Also really liked the Ghislaine scenes this week.

Seven seas had a response to people pointing out that they'd been changing some scenes in the Mushoku english novels (as well as lots of changes in classroom of the elite, but I don't read that)

Among the changes they made were replacing the mention that Paul was a rapist with him just being a womanizer as well as changing the stable scene to make Rudy seem more of a decent person. I've got lots of thoughts regarding the way this author writes a lot of the time, but I dislike this brand of change a lot more, especially when there's no warning about it

I mean. Personally I think the story works better if Paul is a womanizer rather than a rapist. Like that was the detail that pushed the entire situation too far for me.

And the stable scene, similarly, did not need to happen like that.

I don't have enough info on the future developments to know how well these changes "make the story work better", and I don't particularly like what we currently have either. That being said, I'd rather they just be honest about it, the entire story is chock full of things that are the author's fetish with characters making absolutely horrid choices, one or two changes won't change all of that (the grooming line, for one, was untouched).

And what they did for classroom of the elite is 10 times worse, they condense long lines of text and description into fewer sentences, that one is absolutely indefensible.

Edited by Mami on Feb 17th 2021 at 10:45:05 AM

Personally I don't really like the idea of whitewashing character actions though the translation.

Feels to me like its just shielding the author from some criticism by obscuring their writing choices.

That's not to say I don't agree with this point.

The short answer is that it doesn't change much. It just makes particular scenes more immediately palatable, but honestly it's not gonna get better. Rudeus is just an awful person, a thing the story doesn't exactly hide or pretend otherwise. It's just that occasionally the story forgets we're supposed to be rooting for him.

Edited by devak on Feb 17th 2021 at 11:03:47 AM