My Hero Academia - Manga Spoiler thread (Untagged spoilers)

I do like that eri is like I have to help and she and the audience are told no she doesn't have enough juice to help even if she was right next to deku.

The story has made sure that Eri isn't the instant win button everyone thought she'd be.

Which means that while the opportunity to undo some damage is on the table, it all depends on how charged up her horn is, and how long she can keep that charge before it runs out while using it, meaning her powers can't just be carelessly spammed right now, so there's still going to be some long term consequences for some characters.

Deku is about to go for another punch and Shigaraki screams "don't come any closer!" followed by a panel of his father right before he died. Deku apparently hits him but, suddenly... he sees himself in front of the Shimura family house. End of chapter

Oh yes! Finally! I want to see Nana roast Kotaro after she sees what a manchild he grew into.

...I probably shouldn't celebrate a mother ripping into her own son (and I doubt it would happen)...

But !@#$% Kotaro. I hope she does do it.

If parents aren't capable of telling their kid he was a complete idiot, who can?

Alright guys..., if there ever was a time to officially reveal that AFO gave shiggy his quirk or did something to awaken/mutate it, now would be the time. Remember the guy who dorpped him off right before the incident looked suspiciously like AFO when he found Dabi if memory serves.

Honestly, I'm okay with the idea that Shiggy just naturally had an unfortunate Quirk from birth. I think it weakens his story if it was all just AFO since the whole point is that society as a whole is supposed to have failed him. Which would still be true, but it feels less meaningful if it's "Society didn't prevent AFO's gaslighting" instead of "Society just turned its back on a mistreated child".

Of course, it being sabotage from AFO makes for an easy resolution point, so that'll probably be the answer...

Remember when AFO is fighting OFA and he causally mentions that Tomura is Nana's grandson? If AFO is anything, he is petty, and it would make sense for his machinations to have reached an insane level of obsession than him just finding him in the street by chance.

Edited by CountofBleck on Mar 8th 2024 at 3:50:03 PM

This is true.

This is also true.

While its totally within AFO's character to put the quirk in Shiggy, I also agree that him not doing it works better.

But we'll see what happens.

Yeah I was hoping the story would not go this direction. But there have been clear hints towards it so I cant exactly say that I'm surprised if it does.

Am I missing something here? I don't see the indication that Nana Shimura will be calling out Kotaro on anything from the spoilers described here.

No, you didn't.

Everyone just thinks that due to believing that Nana's son will be a vestige too like her grandma and therefor interactive between the two, despite how implausible that is due to the man being utterly destroyed by Tenko back during the incident with zero trace of him remaining.

She will see how her son treated his family and her grandson though so there is that.

Edited by Trainbarrel on Mar 8th 2024 at 7:12:58 PM

And she'll probably blame herself.

After all, the reason he became like that is because she was forced to abandon him to protect him from AFO, and that left him rather bitter.

I still say he's a complete moron for what he did, since his actions not only killed his entire family, but rendered her sacrifice utterly moot, since all she wanted was for him to be safe, but that's not the point.

She's going to (perhaps rightly) feel that if she hadn't done that, none of this would have happened.

Oh god, it's gonna crush many hearts...

I imagine people are assuming that we're going to travel back to the moment of abuse (metaphorically) and have Deku or Nana stop Kotaro from beating his son as a means of Deku being a hero for the repressed child inside of Shiggy.

I am kind of annoyed that after all this talk about cooperation and working together and how this is Our Hero Academia, we get a chapter seemingly halfway dedicated to saying that no, you stupid, it's about Deku being literally the only person on the planet who can save the day. And sure, others have done their part still (we're still waiting not just for Eraser and Kurogiri, but for whatever that Gashly guy is up to; I imagine the latter might just get skipped over), but did we really need a chapter like that?

I don't dislike it though; Kaminari is so real for not just blindly putting his faith in Deku not because he's being stupid or arrogant but because he's afraid and Deku simply isn't All Might, and never will be despite wielding the same power. People believe in Izuku Midoriya not because he's the new Symbol of Peace but because there's no one else left who can save them (I guess there's some overlap).

And here we go, the root of it all. Please, please, please don't let it be "AFO gave Shiggy Decay, LMAO". Please let it be a tragic accident that the Hero Society failed to address. Please let it be something Deku takes to heart and resolves to try and fix; not yet another display of petty evil from The Problem Villain (to use a Fire Emblem analogy) whose defeat will fix everything ever.

Funnily enough I thought that beforehand, but now I’m almost certain this is a bait and switch and everyone who still can do something will show up to help -what with all the talk about how Deku doesn’t give off the same feeling as All Might and seeing him makes them want to do something.

And with Kurogiri (the portal guy) still conspicuously still unresolved.

“Everything stemming from that house” was society’s complacency, after all.

Edited by CheapMarzipan on Mar 8th 2024 at 5:34:44 AM

In regards to AFO having some involvement, I've often stated that my ideal scenario is that he had tracked down Kotaro and family, and was all ready to AFO the hell out of them, but then everything happened with Tenko on it's own, and he was just left wishing he had a video recording quirk.

I'd even be ok with him considering making sure the people didn't help Tenko as the beginning of his plan to stoke the kid's hatred, but then they did it on his own and now he's like ok, do I get to do anything here, or are you all just gonna be assholes on your own, because now I feel redundant.

And that's the extent of AFO's involvement.

That being said, the possibility that he did something is, and always has been on the table. Of course, there's still the chance that even if that's the case, Hori has a twist for us that would still make it interesting. He's managed to do a few interesting spins on some plot points, so let's see what he's got planned.

On the one hand I can understand not liking that afo was literally behind all of the current problems, but on the other he was exactly the kind of guy to make himself the cause of every problems. He was the demon lord of course he would give his arch enemy a wildly violent quirk and then pick him up when he activated it for the first time

Agreed. That being said, he technically is the cause of Tenko's problem, but in a more indirect way.

We all know it's entirely in his character to be a direct cause, and I'm even prepared for that, but I do think that him being remaining the indirect cause of everything that happened to Tenko's family works just as well.

I don’t like ‘AFO gave Shiggy Decay’ but I think it’s almost guaranteed at this point (see last chapter) and that revelation will probably trigger AFO’s failsafe.

I can only hope it doesn’t totally invalidate the rest of Shiggy’s motives.

Edited by CheapMarzipan on Mar 8th 2024 at 5:58:54 AM

I also am okay with the idea of "AFO just happened to come across a moment of serendipity", but I think they already kinda used that for Dabi.

At any rate, while it is in character for AFO to be petty enough to do this and that, I really would prefer that he's not responsible for literally everything. As stated earlier, when he's just "The Problem Villain" that needs to be defeated to fix everything, it makes the setting feel a lot less interesting.

Edited by TerraCondor on Mar 8th 2024 at 6:07:54 AM

Get you a man◊ who can do both.◊

God, I love how expressive Horikoshi's faces are.

Edited by reppuzan on Mar 8th 2024 at 7:08:44 AM

Chapter 417: Shimura

The chapter begins with a gust of wind coming out of Shigaraki, creating waves and sending Hatsume's robot flying away. The people watching the fight are confused, because it looks like Midoriya has entered Shigaraki's finger cocoon

The next page shows Deku inside the fingers throwing a punch that transfers all the users except for Nana. She calls out everyone else's name, but soon realizes that she has been repelled due to her conflicting feelings regarding Shigaraki and Kotarou

When Deku's about to ring the doorbell, he's approached by a dark version of himself. "What are you planning? What will actually change if you know about the past?". Deku realizes it's Shigaraki talking to him and says he doesn't know for sure, but he has to find out

Dark Deku says "die", but Deku only replies with "I'm coming in". But before he does, he almost gets hit by a truck and his backpack gets scratched, which makes Deku realize that he is physically inhabiting that world

Nana says that since Deku is an OFA user, he has taken on a physical form when entering Shigaraki's unconscious worlds and can now interact with it. Deku is surprised to see Nana and she apologizes for being blocked, but Deku says he's glad to have her with him

Nana says that this is Shigaraki's core, his origin — where's they can hit him. It's the only chance they'll have to defeat him. Deku runs to press the doorbell but Stain materializes, jumps on him and puts two knives to his neck, like he did to Shigaraki in the Hosu arc

Stain then turns into Re:Destro who asks, "What do you stand for? What do you want to build?", like he asked Shigaraki in MVA. Re:Destro then turns into Overhaul who asks "do you have a plan?", just like he asked Shigaraki in the Shie Hassaikai arc Redestro's nose turns into Overhaul's mask, which is both the coolest and the funniest thing ever

Overhaul asks, "Do you have a plan?" and Deku replies, "No! Now get out of my way". He runs away and opens the door, but it turns into that photo of Nana and baby Kotarou, while we hear the conversation between Hana and Tenko. Nana sees the photo and gets teary-eyed

Deku walks through the door and sees Kotarou beating his son, but Tenko is represented as a black silhouette. Nana starts crying and Deku runs towards them, but is blocked by Shigaraki's rejection. Kotarou says that their grandmother is a demon who abandoned her own son

Nana thinks to herself that this isn't true, that she was forced to leave him behind. She realizes that the wound she left on Kotarou ended up hurting Shigaraki too and blames herself for not being strong enough to defeat AFO and go back for her son

She falls to the ground, but realizes she has to do something and wipes away her tears. "I'm sorry, Kotarou, for being such a weak mother. I'm sorry I never came back." The two of them break through the invisible barrier — Deku jumps towards Tenko and Nana hugs Kotarou

With that, Nana finally gets transferred to Shigaraki. Her last thought is "It was all grandma's fault...". The scene changes and Tenko is no longer just a silhouette. Now he's crying in the backyard and starts decaying Mon while Deku watches. End of chapter

break next week

No grandma. Your son was just a useless twit.

Everything that happened was his fault. All you did was try and protect him from a lunatic that would have murdered him as a child.

In case you all couldn't tell, I still blame Kotarou completely.