Death Battle cleanup

No comment on Cole VS Alex.

What should the Thor VS Wonder Woman example be changed to? How about this:

• "Thor VS Wonder Woman" ended up decisively stacked in the Amazon's favor.

Also, for anyone interested, Discord from the Bill VS Discord episode is being proposed as a potential Magnificent Bastard. I'm personally arguing against his inclusion as he doesn't do much that's Bastard-like in the episode, but feel free to weigh in.

That works for Wondie vs. Thor.

If anyone else agrees, I might try to write up a Curb Stomp entry for Colex.

I asked for the Feminist Fantasy phrasing to be replaced in the locked pages thread.

Writeup for Colex.

• Cole MacGrath vs. Alex Mercer had the Conduit come out on top over the Blacklight Virus prototype. While Alex did have a solid edge in experience over Cole, due to him having his powers for years as opposed to the months Cole had his as well as the years of memories he had from his victims, and his regeneration made him not the easiest to put down for good, everything else went in the favor of the Patron Saint of New Marais. Cole was able to resist the Blacklight Virus due to him being able to resist destruction down to the atomic level from both The Beast and the Ray Sphere, meaning it likely wouldn't be able to infect him. As well, he had a variety of projectiles to keep Alex away. As well, he could negate Alex's regeneration with his Bio-Leech, negating one of Alex's best advantages. While Alex could try to consume Cole's biomass to try to power himself up, Cole could counter Alex's attempts at this by stealing his bioelectricity to return the favor. However, the true gap laid in power and speed. While Alex could process events at 5 nanoseconds, or around 66% the speed of light, Cole could route electricity and movie around 90% the speed of light. And for power, Alex's best durability feat, being able to survive being nuked, was 15.5 times less powerful then Cole's forcefields, let alone the power of the Beast, who Cole was able to destroy down to the atomic level, ensuring that even without his Bio-Leech, he could put Alex down for good. And if Alex had fought Evil Cole instead, it would've gone much worse for him. Evil Cole took the power of the Beast for himself, meaning that he was likely far stronger then even Good Cole, meaning that Alex would have been stomped even harder as a result. Ultimately, Alex never stood a chance against Cole's sheer might.

The entry looks good, though it's a bit bloated by calculations. I've tried to write an alternate version of it.

• Cole MacGrath VS Alex Mercer had the Conduit firmly come out on top. While Alex was superior in terms of experience, perception and regeneration-enduced tenacity, it all mattered little when Cole could use Bio-Leech and negate Alex's key advantage. Cole was also more than capable of resisting the Blacklight Virus due to successfully fighting back against destruction on atomic level caused by both the Beast and the Ray Sphere. Aside from having projectiles to keep his foe at bay, Cole had also demonstrated higher speed of movement and reaction and superior strength thanks to his forcefields, as well as tougher durability, all of which would be enough to put Alex down even without the Bio-Leech. While Alex had the ability to steal Cole's biomass to gain a power boost, the latter could return the favor by absorbing Alex's bioelectricity with more effective results. As the final nail in the coffin, the hosts noted that if Evil Cole was used in the fight, he would have even easier time destroying Alex thanks to having the Beast's powers which would completely outclass everything the Blacklight Virus prototype had in store. Either way, Alex had no hope of winning this fight.

Corrected the entry a bit, any further suggestions would be appreciated.

Done!

Edited by DukeNukem4ever on Oct 3rd 2023 at 4:03:44 AM

Cole's feat are movement and reaction actually, while Alex's is perception.

Just replace From Bad to Worse with Exaggerated Trope

So any concensus on Megatron vs Frieza?

The hosts emphasized how Megatron's much greater intelligence and durability-ignoring antimatter attacks would give him some chances to win despite Frieza's massive advantage in raw numbers. So not a stomp.

Megatron had clear wincons, the power gap just made Frieza the likely winner. Would I call it hopeless like Chosen Undead and Alex Mercer? Not really, because they had no chance of victory, Megatron did, even against Frieza's strongest form, which is currently the most powerful form, second only to Beerus likely.

Agree with the opinions above.

So, what's the ultimate opinion about Cole VS Alex and its writeups?

I say just go with the writeup, I don't think anyone disagrees with it being a stomp.

Looking at this latest battle with Gojo vs Makima, it looks like this might be a stomp.

For starters, the commentators outright state that Gojo had much going for him. Even the analysis shows how much advantages Gojo had and whatever seeming advantages Makima had are hard-countered by his own feats and abilities. There doesn't seem to be any win-con Makima has against Gojo.

Edited by Tehrannotaur on Oct 23rd 2023 at 6:11:52 AM

The fingerguns were a win condition no?

Fingerguns could bypass that infinity shield but he just heals from that no issue.

He heals quickly, but surely the guns are capable of taking him out if I understand this correctly?

If not then I guess it qualifies.

He heals too quickly to make the Finger Guns matter any more. As the analysis says

Boomstick: And Makima did have a way past Limitless with her finger guns. Makima could land attacks directly on Gojo's body, meaning there's no projectile for Limitless to detect and infinitely slow down.

Wiz: Though when they did land, Gojo's healing ensured that he repaired his body quickly.

Boomstick: On the flip side, Makima didn't have a counter to Gojo's Domain Expansion. Unlimited Void overloads its target with unlimited information. It's not really an attack.

Edited by Tehrannotaur on Oct 23rd 2023 at 7:01:33 AM

Couldn't they still take him down if she hit a vital spot? I haven't read or watched either series, so I don't know if Gojo could regenerate from Boom, Headshot!.

From what the analysis has shown, doesn't appear to be the case that she can vital spot kill him

Edited by Tehrannotaur on Oct 23rd 2023 at 10:14:13 AM

From what it looks like,

Gojo's only fault was that he was Slower, a disadvantage that was immediately rendered moot since Makima doesn't have anything but the Finger Gun to get passed Limitless, and even then, Gojo's healing factor was too potent for Makima to take any advantage of. He can resist her mind controls simply because he's too full of himself (with justifiable reasons) for Makima to even try, even if she did, Gojo can just soft reset. All of her Devils were deemed mook level to Gojo so they are just fodder. More Importantly, Gojo's Domain Expansion and Unlimited Void essentially robs Makima's of her respawns one way or another, leaving her literally a sitting duck.

Makima's only real win condition was Gojo getting unlucky and accidentally killing himself while killing Makima, since the fight was taking place in the same Japan, but given how Japan has millions of citizens, it was unlikely, and Makima can't pick and choose who dies for her, less it would have been brought up. By the time she lands a lucky pick, Gojo would have killed her millions of times over.

In short, Makima had very slim chances at victory, she can win, but she can't do so by herself. Ironically, she is quite possibly the only combatant where her win-con relies solely on her opponent killing themselves, which she can't control.

Is it a Stomp? Likely yes due to Makima having no natural win conditions, as in none she can control.

Edited by Mrbda241 on Oct 24th 2023 at 7:27:03 AM

So, we should add Cole vs. Alex and Gojo vs. Makima to the stomp page?

Go ahead

I'm actually gonna object to Gojo vs Makima based on the fingerguns.

Sure, it doesn't say he can't survive the fingerguns doing a Boom, Headshot!, but by that logic it doesn't say he can, and one of those two seems more likely to me frankly.

The animation definitely makes it seem like he would have trouble surviving the fingerguns as well?

Edited by Happyfrybreath on Oct 24th 2023 at 5:34:42 AM

A curbstomp can have the winner have one win condition - Jiraiya had multiple in Roshi vs. Jiraiya, for instance, and we still consider that a stomp, and even then they said that he could heal from any wounds caused by Bang. Also, something else you could bring up is that the black boxes in Gojo's analysis point out a speed feat that's even faster then Makima's best, meaning that there's room to doubt that Makima would even have that advantage either. (The speed feat happened mid production, so Gojo didn't have it when the episode was written, but it just makes the stomp even worse.)

I feel Cole vs. Alex should have its Curb-Stomp Battle page added first, though. Speaking of, here's my final rewrite for it.

• Cole MacGrath VS Alex Mercer had the Patron Saint of New Marais firmly come out on top. While Alex was superior in terms of experience, intelligence, and regeneration-enduced tenacity, it all mattered little when confronted with Cole, who was capable of resisting the Blacklight Virus due to successfully fighting back against destruction on atomic level caused by both the Beast and the Ray Sphere. Cole could also negate Alex's regeneration with the Bio-Leech, making that advantage most likely not a factor. On top of the fact that he had projectiles to keep his foe at bay, Cole had also demonstrated higher speeds and superior strength thanks to his forcefields as well as his being able to kill the Beast, as well as tougher durability, making him far beyond anyone Alex has fought. On top of that, due to having destroyed the Beast at the atomic level, he could bypass Alex's insane regeneration even without the Bio-Leech. While Alex had the ability to steal Cole's biomass to gain a power boost, the latter could return the favor by absorbing Alex's bioelectricity with more effective results. As the final nail in the coffin, the hosts noted that if Evil Cole was used in the fight, he would have an even easier time destroying Alex thanks to having the Beast's powers which would completely outclass everything the Blacklight Virus prototype had in store. No matter what, Alex was completely outclassed in almost every regard.

Edited by ultimate_life_form on Oct 24th 2023 at 10:39:29 AM

I would replace this part: "who was capable of resisting the Blacklight Virus due to successfully fighting back against destruction on atomic level" to this: "who was capable of resisting the Blacklight Virus due to successfully fighting back against destruction on the atomic level"