Elden Ring: A FromSoftware and George RR Martin game

Generally it seems that Miquella saw the Golden Order as flawed because it could not cure himself and Malenia and that he created Unalloyed Gold as his own newer better way of doing things and part of that was creating his own Erdtree, the Haligtree which was used as a refuge for peoples abandoned by the Golden Order.

But also a part of this is that Miquella while publicly beloved is also known to use magic to compel affection and loyalty and those who know this describe him as "terrifying" and "fearsome".

Storming Miquella's Haligtree because its infested with Scarlet Rot is also a motivation that you can attribute there, in some ways it can be viewed as a Mercy Killing or Dirty Business but also you can even think of destroying Malenia as part of the your Tarnished stamping out the corrupt demigods who plunged the world into the Shattering in the first place.

Edited by lycropath on Apr 4th 2024 at 2:04:37 AM

Also to add the Haligtree is the only other place where the envoys show up at, telling that out of everyone else, outside of the Tarnished, Miquella is the most closest to wining the whole thing.

Edited by The-Azure-Star-Of-Orion on Apr 4th 2024 at 1:29:20 AM

@lycropath

Similarly to the stuff about the Banished Knights or the stuff about Godfrey knowing Marika's plan, a lot is data mined stuff but does tilt towards him being approving seeing it as an extension of the Erdtree and thus the Golden Order. Sort of like starting a branch religion extension of the main one(Golden Order -> Unalloyed Gold).

I'm not about thinking cut content is still the same as the final product to be honest.

Miquella's honestly my favourite of the demigods because of this stuff. I'm so hyped to see more of him (hopefully) in the DLC.

I do think there's something kinda unavoidably ominous about the name "unalloyed" gold. So, he's saying that his version of the golden order is "Pure" unlike the Fundamentalists.

Self described purity is rarely a good sign.

@Lycopath: Based on who the person is talking in the trailer, the implication is that they’re saying it as a good thing about Miquella and not negatively. Malenia herself does as well after all.

Thus he’s terrifying and fearsome because he wishes to cleanse peoples hearts and his willpower to make a better world for everyone.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Apr 4th 2024 at 4:10:30 AM

x3

Given how full of holes and assorted jank the final products are with the lore, the cut content should be just as viable

I find the kind of people that praise people for brainwashing others are usually people with clean brains 🤣

Given the nature of the genre though, I am expecting some baseline level of shadiness even if Miquella does seem to have good intentions. It's likely he does have multiple skeletons we get to discover when we inevitably put him down for a dirt nap.

I mean it is fair to want more then what's presented but it doesn't make unimplemented storylines canon either.

I think cut content can sometimes be useful for discovering what the devs were thinking about when it comes to some ambiguous plot points, but it can just as easily be something that they straight up changed their minds about so I definitely don't think we should take it as gospel.

I'm doing a spirit ash/consumables only run. It's so nice to finally have a reason to engage with the crafting and glovewort systems properly. I'm actually happy to find the glovewort picker's bell bearings.

I've gotten up to Altus/Radahn so far. I know the rubber's about to meet the road here.

Edited by GNinja on Apr 5th 2024 at 4:17:03 PM

I made a new Quality Arcane Build, with the chief weapon being the Mohgwyn Sacred Spear. I swear that spear just destroys everything it goes up against - and even if something's resistant or immune to Bleed it's got enough raw damage and stance damage to make it work.

I think this build is well positioned for the DLC. I'm not hinging on an equip load amplifying talisman or great rune, and the Bleed damage could help override the "offensive power" addition unless From makes the bosses of the DLC immune to Bleed for some reason.

@Lycopath: I mean when the people are using it to praise them for earnestly wanting to help people that much? Especially in the kind of setting this usually is? I don’t.

It’s why I think people read too much into Miquella being Griffith and forget GRRM own influences on the story. Even outside of Game of Thrones and forget the other kind of characters he’s written before in other works.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Apr 5th 2024 at 4:12:25 AM

I think the idea of Miquella just being the straight forward good guy would defeat the purpose of having these characters and items giving these ominous descriptions. Plus I think it undermines the very nature of The Shattering as a conflict because the entire point of the pantheon is that they are all supposed to be in their own ways flawed and all of them grasping selfishly for control rather than coming together is what caused the downfall of the realm.

People can be in conflict and have benign intentions. That’s part of what lead to the Shattering and to several version of the Golden Order with new changes.

Both Goldmask and Fia have benign intentions for the Golden Order but Fia herself is willing to do whatever she must so the undead can be accepted and not treated as abominations.

Miquella as is stated strives to cleanse the hearts of men and cure his sister, accepts those who are both blessed and maligned, and only turned from the Golden Order when he couldn’t achieve that within it. Much like the implication of what put him and Malenia in conflict with Radahn was that only when the stars are allowed to move again could he give his beloved brother Godwyn a true death instead of leaving his body in a cursed soulless state.

Not everyone turns away from the Golden Order to be selfish monsters, and one case is at least morally dubious but wants to decide her own fate(Ranni). While we also have two literally Satans on both sides of the Demigod bloodline and Radahn who really wants to larp as Godfrey and is still aiding the Golden Order by holding back the stars.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Apr 5th 2024 at 4:48:29 AM

I'm not saying his intentions and goals are necessarily having to be less then pure, just that he is probably also shady because his methods at the very least include Brainwashing for the Greater Good.

Plus we probably gonna have to kill him and that usually means they are at least a little fucked up

We don’t know what’s going on yet so I’m not sure about that, especially as what was cut from the based game implied Miquella has his own ending as well. Which would even go with Malenia essentially saying the Tarnished is truly a Lord when she’s beaten. About as close as a blessing as you can get from her to be her brothers Elden Lord lol.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Apr 5th 2024 at 7:52:15 AM

Now, now, now. It's possible that we won't have to kill him, and instead will, like with Ranni, marry him instead. In fact, it's likely that giving him the eternal childhood curse was an authorial fiat to keep that from being the obvious Golden Ending option to begin with. Especially if the Big Bad of the DLC is really Messmer, who is clearly the other half of Melina and not Miquella (who already has Trina).

Edited by IniuriaTalis on Apr 5th 2024 at 8:20:27 AM

or that it's miquella that's the problem in this as trying to give godwyn a true death has some severe consequences.

I believe I read there won't be any new endings from the DLC, but don't quote me on it.

I think the entire reason Miquella was removed from the base game is because at some point the team must've figured out that he would've absolutely taken over the plot. Even a whole ending to himself wouldn't have filled the narrative gap he creates.

True. The fact that one of the most moral objections to him other than the unproven idea he brainwashes people is that he's trying to give his kind and benevolent brother freedom from And I Must Scream hell, and one recurring criticism is that the player could and should be teaming up with the Bonus Boss to help him instead of actually opposing the twins's goals is telling. That's not even getting into the fact that you can use his artifacts to break the game by saving both Melina and the Lands Between, even without the implications that he was the Big Good who got both Ranni and Melina to help you.

Ranni and Miquella is one of my favourite pairings to think about. Like, I wonder if they would've gotten along at all.

I can see Ranni being ok with him, like not kill on sight but not going to help him out ether.

I feel like Ranni probably would wanna give Miquella a wide berth since she is the one who made Godwyn into the Prince of Death and he might not like that if he found out.

Things to consider for the DLC:

• Blackflame: The damage over time effect of Blackflame incantations chews through health bars regardless of whatever "offensive power" thing Miyazaki cooks up.
• Poison / Scarlet Rot: Serpentbone Blade, Rot Breath, the various Rotten weapons...consider picking these up.
• Black Knife: Obtained from the boss Black Knife at Altus Plateau, the Black Knife has a damage over time effect and a max HP reduction effect.
• Bleed: A percentage effect, Bleed can be applied up close via the Mohgwyn Sacred Spear and the Blood Blade Ash of War, or from afar with Blood Arrows. On that note, pick up the Black Bow from the capitol for its range and Barrage skill.