Spring 2019 anime

RE: Shield Hero clip.

...Okay, so let's recap here.

Malty tried to socially murder him (and nearly succeeded) and then physically murder him AND her sister (both of which she nearly succeeded as well). THEN after Naofumi spared her in spite of all that, she tries to poison him in the banquet again. AND in the light novel, she successfully murders her own mother.

How am I supposed to find her sympathetic here? Because that's some weird sense of morality right there. See, I found almost all the criticisms towards Naofumi very deserving. I mean, that guy advocates slavery, you don't get to be in the moral right after that. But all this defense towards Malty? Honestly, I find it just as disturbing as some of the praise Naofumi gets.

Edited by dRoy on Jun 18th 2019 at 2:46:24 AM

All I've ever seen is 'she didn't deserve what she got', which is true pretty much no matter how you look at it. Even if she did succeed in killing her mother, the punishment for treason is execution, not sex slavery and being raped to death.

It's a horrifically cruel and gendered punishment.

Because she's so blatantly over the top evil and it's so obvious that she's there to make Naofumi look good that one can't exactly take her crimes seriously. She's not a character, but a caricature for revenge fantasies.

There are fates worse than death.

Plus actively choosing to drag out a persons suffering & giving them the worst most torturous fate possible is an evil of itself.

At that point there are no justifications of Justice, your are just vengeful & sadistic.

She really doesn’t have any reasoning or greater goals, she’s just evil for the sake of it.

Edited by slimcoder on Jun 17th 2019 at 11:22:12 AM

So basically she's doing it For the Evulz, no shit. So do countless number of villains (and supposed heroes).

To each to their own, I guess, because for me, if a character crosses the Moral Event Horizon, anything that happens to that character is a fair game and there's no such thing as too much, too dragged out, etc.

Thousands of evil villains get Cruel and Unusual Death, Rasputinian Death, Fate Worse than Death, etc in media all the time. Frankly, I find all this defense and sympathy towards Malty to be kind of silly.

Edited by dRoy on Jun 18th 2019 at 3:27:29 AM

I don't think anyone here is saying we find Malty sympathetic, it's just that we find her ultimate fate to be beyond the limits of good taste and into the realm of "dude, what the fuck is wrong with you?".

@dRoy I do not defend what Malty is doing towards Naofumi and it's a very vile thing to do. But when the hero conspire with the higher authority to sell the accuser into sex slavery and getting raped to death by a bloated king...This is where my problem lies.

Edited by ElfenLiedFan90 on Jun 19th 2019 at 2:06:12 AM

No, its not because she's doing it For the Evulz, but because she's a Hate Sink and an obvious one at that. I cannot take her crimes seriously because it's just eventual justification for whatever cruel punishment she's going to get. And since Malty is nothing more than a strawman for Naofumi, its not unusual for people to feel sympathy for it getting burned after fulfilling a purpose they don't agree with.

I don't feel sympathy for Malty, but I'm seeing a puppet acting like a shameless evil douche that is suppose to piss people off, which btw works, for the purpose of making a protagonist who is a slave master look good, and ends with a punishment that is essentially the idea that people who falsely accuse others of rape should get raped, which is disgusting and most of the time misogynistic, so this isn't exactly a pleasant experience.

Malty isn’t even a character.

Just a bunch of horrible actions latched onto a figure who can’t act any other way than a backstabbing bastard.

Edited by slimcoder on Jun 18th 2019 at 12:16:40 PM

I mean, that's kinda what villains are in a series that isn't blessed by decent writing. Most villains were like that in Sword Art Online, for instance.

......Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh now I get it.

Because the story treat Naofumi action as justifiable and want us to see him as a noble hero but still want to be a sadistic revenge porn. In order to accomplish this goal, the writer create a Hate Sink to be the target. The problem is that the punishment for this Hate Sink is so despicable and unreasonable cruel that it make the people who put her to this fate just as evil as her.

Meh?

There are god-knows how many Hate Sink characters there are out there, whose functions are either make heroes look good or suffer horrible fate or maybe even both. It's hardly anything new or shocking, especially in an isekai genre.

Honestly, Malty's fate is pretty much being on the wrong end of Pay Evil unto Evil. It's hardly moral, but the only one who fully trusts Naofumi are his "companions" and even they question his actions from time to time. Simply put this is not an idealistic series and Naofumi IS a full blown Anti-Hero.

Uncomfortable, definitely. Despicable? Eh, debatable.

@Rynnec - Oh, there are people who find her sympathetic in this thread, just last couple of pages.

Yes, but how did it make her feel?

A question that comes to mind is, would a prince who conspired against the hero in the same way be given the same treatment? Would it be as "justified" then? As people have said, there's so little actual character motivation to what happens, and so much that smacks of Rape Accusations Are A Special Kind of Evil, that it's almost impossible to read it as anything more than messed-up revenge porn. Against a specific person (going from statements the author has made) for the author, and against the kind of strawman a female character written to be like Malty represents, for a specific type of fan.

Anyway, this is only tangentially the thread for this, so I'll leave my posting at that.

I don't understand what's so confusing about this. A (poorly written) female villain being raped to death as her punishment isn't exactly tasteful to read about, or interesting if you desire to somehow defend the writing of this otherwise bland isekai.

Kinda feel like we are at the phase where everybody just keeps saying the same thing over and over.

Oh well. Each to their own, I suppose.

Okay this is not a difficult concept to understand.

It shouldn't just be “well we just think differently”.

Both characters are fucking abysmal people.

Edited by slimcoder on Jun 18th 2019 at 5:01:03 AM

I don't mind what happens to Malty. She's literally a piece of the main villain of the setting, and the rest of the pieces of the Goddess of Evil of the setting are all male, extreme cariacultures of male otaku, which is just as non flattering as Malty, to me.

Which doesn't make things even remotely okay.

Its Fiction. It doesn't have to be ok.

Man, that's a sentence that makes it clear you don't actually understand anyone's objections to the whole thing. Or possibly you're just being extremely disingenuous. Surely you can understand that, for example, (and I sincerely wish what I'm about to say was just an abstract example, rather than one that's directly relevant to the topic at hand) people are gonna have a problem with fiction that expressly pro-slavery and arguably pro-rape.

Of course I understand that.

I'm not personally offended by it, is all.

Eh.

I don't agree that fictions should get away with everything, but I don't think the whole Malty thing warrants that much outrage either.

I think raped to death is excessive. Just kill her after giving her the name trash. Works fine as that.

Shield Hero's "mercy" never really felt like one, which is why it bothers people.

After all the heinous things she did, I feel that she deserves whatever she get and her punishments have no obligations to be quick or clean.

But I've already said that, and there was a counter-point, and counter-counter-point and it's just going to repeat over and over.

Let's just all agree to disagree in this subject.