Japanese Pronous: sorting examples

I'm thinking of sorting examples in Japanese Pronouns based on the media they appear so examples from the same series can be grouped together more closely.

What do you guys think?

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As long as the individual word examples don't get mixed together, it sounds fine.

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Give me a bit of time.

We don't need justice when we can forgive. We don't need tolerance when we can love.

We're not in a hurry. Take the time you need.

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I could only manage this for now.

Not all examples has been added (it's a real lot), but it's already following a more organized structure.

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No; you mixed the individual word examples.

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Yeah, no that won't work. They need to be sorted by pronouns, in the folders they can be sorted by medium.

edited 25th Feb '17 5:17:16 AM by Memers

I don't see the point of collecting example lists. This is a Useful Notes page, not a trope, plus it's not worthy of documentation due to being a language thing.

It's one thing to have a single example per pronoun for illustration purposes, but any more is unnecessary.

edited 25th Feb '17 6:44:41 PM by Karxrida

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By that you mean: "folder:(a specific pronoun), AC:(medium), examples, /folder"?

That's just similar to the previous one; the issue with it was that 1) a work appears several times in the pages, and 2) a character may use more than one pronoun.

The fact that they have meaning for each - and there are also things like using 2 or more pronouns at once or changing what you usually use for another - makes it a "trope".

We don't need justice when we can forgive. We don't need tolerance when we can love.

Using them has meaning, having a guy use the standard Boku is People Sit On Chairs but having him use the non-standard and meaningful "Ore" is.

It gets strange at times too like in GJ Bu A harem gets gets a boku using Unlucky Everydude to use Ore and then getting off on it while nicknaming it "Ore-Man", he just ends up really embarrassed at the end.

edited 25th Feb '17 8:20:24 PM by Memers

We do not have an objective of creating just lists of works/characters. The objective of examples is to showcase the use of (in this case, the linguistical quirks of a non-english language). Examples of one quirk should not be presented with other quirks at the same time. Each word has it's own connotations. The pronouns are organized by themselves because the example lists show the connotations by putting similar examples together. When the page grows too large, the first thing to do is to split by type of pronouns, then by the individual pronouns. Alphabetical splitting of Japanese works does not provide clarity to the quirks present in these pronouns.

Aside: this is currently a Useful Notes page, Not A Trope.

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.

This is a collection of tropes or a supertrope for the tropes of the singular pronouns. They're all more or less character tags that show various personalities. They're indicators of what kind of character it is. Storytelling devices. Tropes. Sure, they exist in real life too, but that doesn't mean they're not tropes. This should be a trope page.

There is however a problem with the mass of Zero Context Examples.

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I feel like the actual info about what is what is Useful Notes but many of them I feel are actual tropes like

• an actual uneducated "Atai" user
• a non-full Bokukko Atashi user or a Camp Gay Atashi user
• a royal using "Chin", akin to Royal "We", any royals in power from works translated to Japanese use this. The archaic version is "Yo" is used in historical works.
• The "Jibun" which is used to hide genders of the person who is speaking or someone who isnt human or considers themselves below humanity
• Low class rural types who use "Ora" like Goku or Chi Chi
• The tough confident young men, usually bullies or shonen protags, who use "Ore"
• The tough and really really full of themselves young guys who use 'Ore-sama" such as Laharl in Disgaea or Vegeta when in confidence mode.
  • the archaic version of Ore-sama "Wagahai" used by older and mostly bad guys like Bowser and Snape
• The archaic Samurai / Ninja speak "Sessha"
• The double meanings of "Warawa" the archaic one meaning concubine and the modern anime one of old fashion princesses and such
• "Ware" used by male talking weapons and books and the like
• "Washi" used exclusively by old men
• "Watakushi" ultra formal The Ojou

edited 28th Feb '17 12:09:30 AM by Memers

• Slight correction: "atashi" is used for more casual, outgoing girls as opposed to more formal girls who would use "watashi".
• Bokukko is already a trope, though Ore Onna is lumped into it
• Young boys type also use "boku", as well as adult guys who tend not to look threatening (but they often secretly are)
• Addition: "Jibun" is also used for military guys (who, as derived from Japanese beliefs, consider themselves below humanity)
• "Me" for foreign guys or those who just likes English (this makes me wonder if there's an anime out there that used "Ich" or "ya/я" for their characters...)
• "Uchi" for Kansai people (and anyone using the dialect)
• "Ware" is often also used for those characters with air of dignity and honor (who often can back it up with their abilities).
• "Watakushi" can also be used by formal males, though less often
• "Yo" is as it is said, like a Royal "We"; often also used for supernatural characters (or those who thought they are)

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