Fire Emblem Heroes

@Clarste: A couple of effective-against weapons have a heck of a lot less flexibility than a b-skill I can slap on anybody.

I deployed my Flyer Beta against the CC for Halloween, and the final was pretty funny.

On the third (final) map, I somehow ended up killing everyone but H!Jakob and H!Sakura, with only NY!Camilla on my team. Camilla ended up winning the cherry tapping fight with Renewal and Lote's Shield.

I thought it was funny that Jakob was utterly useless even though he's supposed to be effective against flyer and that Sakura just can't kill anything that isn't a mage.

Oh God this is pretty much my first interaction with Oliver and this is making me love him.

Kind of wish he had "Power Hungry Fool" as his map theme though.

Aside from that, I'm having a lot of trouble with his GHB on Infernal. Any good general tips that work well for it?

Given how breakers normally work to date, Dragonbreaker as a skill wouldn't be a thing, though. We'd have to end up with Red Stonebreaker, Blue Stonebreaker and Green Stonebreaker. And that's... really super niche for a set of skills. I know I wouldn't bother using them. I guess some people might employ Blue Stonebreaker given how pissed they seem to be at Nowi.

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You can use a general Stonebreaker B-skill that wouldn't be broken, considering how rare dragons are. You can restrict it to either melee or ranged units (and no dragons obviously) to balance it out.

As it stands, Blue Stonebreaker would be useful in 100% Arena Assault runs, because the probability of seeing neither Nowi nor Ninian is null at the moment, and their hard counters are still 2 5*-restricted units.

edited 14th Jan '18 3:18:44 PM by Julep

Nino is a 3* hard counter to both. As in I've never even remotely considered them a threat.

And dragons attacking twice is rarely the problem anyway.

edited 14th Jan '18 3:47:33 PM by Clarste

Well I have one Nino, and often have to face 4+ blue dragons in a single AA run. That doesn't quite cut it.

Although Winter Chrom is proving remarkably good against them, but again, 5* only, and also armored unit so not the most maneuverable counter at hand.

I never claimed they were a problem in Arena, they are an issue because of their number and lack of hard counters in Arena Assault which is the mode that allows specialized units to shine against specific meta threats - Lukas vs Ayra or Sigurd, Bartre vs Effie or Amelia, Robin vs Lyn, etc.

edited 14th Jan '18 3:55:00 PM by Julep

Short-term, it might be an dubiously okay-ish bandaid to have a general Stonebreaker, but long term, it'd be a terrible as hell idea unless they plan to never add any other dragons to the game.

x2 It would guarantee a double on the dragon and negate Quick Riposte doubles from them, though.

edited 14th Jan '18 3:50:06 PM by KuroiTsubasaTenshi

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There have been Archers added since day one of release, and yet it has never stopped Flier Emblem from being used and new Fliers from being added, just like the Kirry Paddle hasn't killed mages altogether. It would just be a skill that would a degree of coverage against threats of various colors, with the caveat that it wouldn't replace TA (so if you're blue, that wouldn't do much against Fae anyway) and it would replace a potentially more useful skill such as Vantage, another -breaker, Desperation, Guidance, Flier Formation, etc.

Plus if you restrict it to colored units, then you can be sure that triangle advantage won't stop dragon teams anyway (and since all grey units are ranged, they won't be good against the new dragon breaths unless they have awesome mixed defences - so basically, unless they are Faye).

edited 14th Jan '18 4:00:48 PM by Julep

That's not the same comparison. Falchion and Naga are like bows. Non-colour breaker would be like letting a sword have Lancebreaker.

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But that still wouldn't help go through WTD. Guaranteed 2x2 dmg is not exactly going to ruin the meta, plus dragons as a whole can run all kinds of breaker skills to counter it, which can cancel it. Like all anti-meta skills its influence would be limited to choice units in specific situations. What you would gain in color coverage you will lose in unit coverage because dragons will always be rare compared to mages and melee units.

And Falchion and Naga are already ruined by WTD at the moment, on top of being in the latter's case super rare.

When people run G Tomebreaker they can use it against the 10 or so green mages, four of which are relatively common in Arena. G Stonebreaker would be utterly silly, they might as well call it Faebreaker, and the red one Tikibreaker.

Given how weapons normally work to date, we should have Blue Lightning Breath and Red Lightning Breath and no Green Lightning Breath because poor Fae is all alone in green dragonville. As this is not so, I was assuming the kind of color-neutral Stonebreaker Julep was talking about.

Let's run some numbers. Taking the six dragons already in the game and adding all other playable manaketes (including both Kanae), all playable dragon Laguz, and rounding out with Nils and Gotoh, I come up with eighteen total dragon units that aren't too much of a stretch. Assuming an equal color split, that means any given colored unit has WTD against six different dragons. Now let's look at another class, picking Fighter for no real reason. The number of playable Fighters and Fighter promotions, our wiki's FE class page assures me, is twenty-one. Note that this tally does not include flying axes, horse axes, armor axes, Pirates, Brigands, Oni Savages, Journeymen, Anna, or Brave Ike. That's still more of one particular color of melee infantry than dragons of all colors combined, let alone the number of whatever color has WTA against you.

Granted, I imagine that more people care about any given manakete than, say, Bord, but they'd still have to be trying to make dragons common enough for color-neutral Stonebreaker to be overpowered.

In fairness, I think most Flier Emblem teams make sure to have someone with Iote's Shield along to counter Archers. Lord knows I do.

edited 14th Jan '18 5:27:33 PM by rikalous

That's not the point of it, though. It's not necessarily that units can murder stuff through WTD (and you do get stuff like Ayra who does it, anyway), but that any given thing of a colour can suddenly troll wall things, then their buddies can WoM up and murder your guy. If you think defense wins are cancer now, it'd be super cancer if swords could run around with Lancebreaker or axes with Swordbreaker, etc. Generic Stonebreaker would be on a lesser scale, but it'd still be a mini-proof of why IS doesn't allow it.

Largely because of TA. Steady Breath dragons are a lot more vulnerable to it. Remember that Nowi used to be pretty bad in the pre-SI meta because everyone and their mother was running Lucina and she destroyed Nowi even through WTD.

It would be pretty silly, which is why they're extremely unlikely to do Stonebreaker at all. As I said, split up is too niche, but generic would just be super dumb on defense.

That's weird, fair point, That still doesn't change the fact that implementing the skill like that would be incredibly short-sighted.

I strongly disagree. All you need is one on a defense team to troll dragon users pretty hard, a la what I've mentioned above.

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If Stonebreaker can screw your entire team, you're running all-melee and should probably rethink your comp regardless. If it's only screwing part of your team, that's business as usual, innit? You just try to have everybody cover for each others' weaknesses.

A theoretical generic Stonebreaker could have a clause that it doesn't work when there's WTD, and colorless units are exempted from getting it.

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I agree that a hard counter to people running dragon emblem on offense is just rude. IMO the game should be about making more styles viable on offense, not less.

So I just got 20k feathers.

Do you guys think I should upgrade some merge fodder (e.g. Rein or Nowi) or bump somebody new to 5*?

If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?

Someone new is pretty much always the better option.

"There's not a girl alive who wouldn't be happy being called cute." ~Tamamo-no-Mae

Then my options are as follows:

• Freddy
• Valter
• Adult Tiki

If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?

I 5 starred A!Tiki around when the breath buffs came, and she's done very well as an enemy phase Ignis bomb.

I say Valter. Good flier with prf weapon. Is even better now with Iote Shield Sacred Seal. Oh, and Panic Ploy.

edited 14th Jan '18 9:38:24 PM by erazor0707

A cruel, sick joke is still a joke, and sometimes all you can do is laugh.

I'd go with Tiki if you've got the spare resources to buff her breath, Valter otherwise.

Hey yeah, that should handle things nicely.

At the moment dragon teams are short on buffs, they only have Fortify. If Hone, Spur and Ward are released, they will be in a situation pretty similar to Armor. And we might down the line get a seal or skill that nullifies all anti-dragon skills and weapons if they indeed become problematic.

Plus SI is promoting mixed teams at the moment so it would be in line with that at the very least. The investment to deal with a hypothetical dragonbreaker on a dragon team would roughly be similar to that a Flier Emblem player requires to deal with Archers without adding non-flying units on the team.

Edit: Fjorm as the Askrian bonus for Arena◊ next week...it's strange that she can be sent home if she is now part of the rotation.

edited 15th Jan '18 12:14:50 AM by Julep

...And I just promoted Sharena hours before the warriors maps ended, thinking she was going to be the next bonus.

Can someone please convince me that I didn't just waste 20000 feathers?

Don't stop, just proceed, 'cause this is what you need-proceed, just proceed, 'cause this is what you need!

She'll be bonus in two weeks time. Also she's good, so it's not a waste. At worst give her a Hone Spd 3 seal and she can be a triple buffer.