Fire Emblem Heroes

Yeah, it's not so much about Ayra specifically as IS breaking all of their established rules to force people to pay more for a popular character. Everything about Ayra in this game is designed to get people to want to pull her even if they're not fans of Genealogy.

The reaction wouldn't have been nearly as huge if the "denied character" was a guy. Especially a red sword, considering we already got four for free (sword infantry only) and the meta is currently Reinhardt-oriented.

"People assumed they would get the pretty girl, and they didn't get her." Which is much worse than "People assumed they would get a guy, and they didn't get him", because many have not the healthiest relationship re: FE characters.

Guess who I pulled from the TT banner?

Eldigan.

If you want to talk about waifu bias in this game, talk about the voting gauntlets and the seasonal units. Don't talk about:

• The first character to ever be shown off in a different banner's trailer without being free
• The first new character to ever be put into a banner with old characters
• The first new character ever added to a banner less than two weeks into the previous one
• The last bonus from the first ever Tempest to have only new 40% bonus units, meaning anyone who wants one is required to draw
• Along with Sigurd, one of the two first units to have inflated BST without being a trainee or a CYL winner
• Along with Sigurd, one of the two first units to have a PRF skill without being free
• The second most popular Genealogy character behind Sigurd
• Someone specifically kept in a different banner from Sigurd for no reason

Like it's just people mad they didn't get a pretty girl, because you assume with no evidence that people wouldn't care if it was a guy. If it were Sigurd, you'd be seeing salt.

edited 20th Oct '17 7:51:54 AM by IniuriaTalis

There's a lot of reasons the Ayra situation caused bile and the waifu factor isn't high on the list. I agree with Inuria that Sigurd would cause an equal amount of salt.

Besides, I wonder how many people who call her just a pretty waifu have played her game or even knew about her?

edited 20th Oct '17 7:55:40 AM by erazor0707

A cruel, sick joke is still a joke, and sometimes all you can do is laugh.

Fair point.

Irrelevant. We already have many banners with characters of different availability prior to its release. This time it's only the unit's "first release", but banners have commonly featured units of varying availability before. Case in point: pretty much every single "Character with X" banner.

Irrelevant. Are we really complaining about an increased rhythm of character release?

You were required to draw either Ike, Elincia, Nephenee or Oscar for the previous TT. All of them 5* exclusive at the time. The only difference is that Ike had been featured twice vs Ayra's once. But it still required you to pull 5* exclusive heroes to get the 40% bonus, which is really all that matters because that's the less likely thing to happen.

So we already had Donnel, Amelia, Y!Tiki, Nowi, Fae, Brave Ike, Brace Lyn, Brave Roy, Brave Lucina and Sigurd. She's the 11th character with increased BST. And as you said, Sigurd already happened.

That's such hair-splitting...the Brave heroes had PRF specials but only one of them was free, so if you wanted to collect unique PRF abilities you already required to pull. That's being unpleasable at its finest, and ignoring that IS already handed us two free units with PRF abilities (BK & a Brave hero) while they could very well have just incited us to pull them.

The 65th most popular character. Lies, damn lies, and statistics.

That's so you couldn't complain about them sharing a color, making it harder to pull them both (or the one you want). In any event, banners with three new characters aren't exactly new, we had those for a while. Including three-heroes banners with two heroes sharing a color (Matilda & Delthea).

Your first point is fair. The others, that come not from you but from the community at large, are direct consequences from the overreaction, and I am pretty convinced that Ayra's gender is no stranger to the magnitude of the overreaction.

She had, at most, a cameo appearance in the trailer. She was not advertised at all in the trailer. There really was no way to really advertise the Paralogue without showing any non-banner character. First paralogue has Arden and the second and third has Ayra. You would spoil one or another, and they mainly wanted to tease Veronica's character problems more in the trailer.

EDIT: Okay, to change some things, in these trailers, they for the most part show the last map of the story/paralogue as the last shot of the trailer. It's not always the case, but it is so most of the time.

edited 20th Oct '17 8:38:30 AM by TPPR10

Continue the bloodline, Fujimaru!

I wouldn't be surprised if they made that part of the trailer before they decided to take her off the first banner, honestly. And there was literally no reason she couldn't have been the 4th unit on the banner with Sigurd and Deirdre.

Don't forget that, as a Japanese-only release, it's going to be amplified by the involved fans being more invested. Genealogy and Thracia are the sacred cows among the older fanbase, which generally is going to include the more diehard fans. Even if Ayra only scores 65th in an overall poll (and let's be fair here, it's not really a fair comparison when, in raw numbers, many who would've voted started with Awakening or Fates or Blazing Blade), she's still really popular among the diehards. And, of course, it's been years since the game came out, so that's years for the character to linger as these peoples' favourite. Which means that it shouldn't be surprising that they're being so loud about this.

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In every single one of those banners, people had had a chance to get the character before, usually while also getting a chance to get other new characters. New characters are the biggest draw and most steady content of this game. Pretending they're irrelevant because you say so is super disingenuous. 4 per two weeks is what this game has almost always had, but they've all been on the same banner. This isn't an increased rate, it's breaking up the normal rate, in a way that's clearly designed to force people to spend more and screw over free users. Ike was a part of Hero Fest, and people had 4 months to draw him before then. Plenty of people already had him. Not nearly the same thing as forcing everyone to draw or be screwed. Yep, and all of them have had a reason besides Sigurd and Ayra, who were added at the same time. The point is that they had been trying to make power creep more fair by giving everyone a chance to get the special new stuff, but not anymore. Second most popular character from the most popular game in Japan, with her overall ranking dragged down by being Japan-only. So instead of risking Sigurd breaking Ayra's pity rate, it's better to have the significantly worse, old, less popular Eldigan break her pity rate? What a reach. Yes, it's easy to be convinced of something if you plug your ears to all argument as you try to spin everything as everyone just being waifu-loving perverts with zero evidence other than just "Well I think so." A situation that could have been avoided if she weren't also the first non-pullable character to ever be added to story mode without being free.

edited 20th Oct '17 9:46:35 AM by IniuriaTalis

The "waifu" thing is especially weird since the series has a lot of husbando type characters too, for fans who prefer that.

edited 20th Oct '17 10:10:18 AM by Clarste

I'll be frank: I didn't care about Ayra when she popped up in the trailer, I didn't care when her stuff was mined and my reaction to her banner was a slight "Nani!?" with no further thought. She just got a banner, and that's it. Nothing to be really truly be amazed about. And all of these reactions are starting to really annoy me. Like come on people.

edited 20th Oct '17 9:51:05 AM by TPPR10

Continue the bloodline, Fujimaru!

it was a bit of a dick move, but some of these reactions are absolutely ridiculous

"There's not a girl alive who wouldn't be happy being called cute." ~Tamamo-no-Mae

I think the reason people are reacting so strongly is that Heroes was known as the "fair" gacha. It was the gacha that treated ftp well, and didn't pull cash-grabby bullshit. This is the exact opposite of that, and now people are worried for the future of the app if this sort of thing becomes common.

It really boils down to the sudden lack of transparency.

A cruel, sick joke is still a joke, and sometimes all you can do is laugh.

I think there are reasons to be concerned, but it's not something worth editing the wiki over. I do feel that some attempts to downplay it go too far in the opposite direction though, rudely dismissing legitimate concerns.

Are people complaining on the wiki over this? That's not a good idea at all. I thought we were trying to curtail negativity.

Honestly, I almost want to chalk this up as an oversight on IT part (in terms of planning all these characters but then realizing they can't distribute then in time for TT without tweaking some things) and leave it at that. If it happens again, then I would start to be concerned.

Continue the bloodline, Fujimaru!

That's a...very generous interpretation. All they needed to do was either have Ayra on Sigurd's banner, or have Seliph as a bonus instead and release her later.

And hopefully the backlash will be enough that they won't do this again. I've seen quite a few well-known superwhales make a pact not to spend any money on the Ayra banner.

Mind you, ever since Alms' and Celica's Army banners, all of the mid-month banners all have had three characters. So that would have broken a precedents they were started to apply recently. And isn't this what the whole complain was about?

I do sort of agree with Seliph, but then how to release Ayra? Is she really needed to be put for like GHB?

edited 20th Oct '17 10:35:43 AM by TPPR10

Continue the bloodline, Fujimaru!

Overall, I think Ayra's release is mildly scummy; I don't like being baited and switched by having a new crew released, but with one of the new hero being released apart at a later date.

With that said, there is an upside to that release scheme: I get two free pulls to try and get any new heroes. The next paid pulls will be discounted too, so it doesn't just boil down to one single freebie.

July had two three-man banners, August had one four-man banner, September was the only one with a single three-man banner.

Shows how much I care about SS.

Continue the bloodline, Fujimaru!

There is no way to either prove or disprove such arguments, and I explained why I think most of these "points" are just the kind of hastily-thought exaggerations of the situation which arise from immediate anger. The waifu-issue part is obviously impossible to quantify since we never had the same announcement of male characters to compare, it just kinda seems that the Fire Emblem fanbase is tilted towards female characters - and Ike. And within female characters, there tends to be a preference for "the hot ones", to put it plainly, if the victories of Camilla, Tharja, Summer Corrin or Ninian (against the modestly-dressed version of Corrin even) are any indication.

edited 20th Oct '17 12:06:31 PM by Julep

Um... Ninian is dressed modestly too.

A cruel, sick joke is still a joke, and sometimes all you can do is laugh.