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Julep Since: Jul, 2010
#5101: Jun 28th 2017 at 8:16:43 AM

Since I don't have 5* Xander yet, I'll just save stamina and build him for when the GHB comes back, along with Camus - I even have two extra Subakis for QR. I will use the next tempest to SP grind them. I might have a way to use mkv's strategy (although I only have 1 Olivia and my Donnel/Raigh aren't neutral iirc) but I would have to waste a ton of potions until I figure it out and I want to save them for Tempest.

Plus my flier and mage teams are solid now, I might as well start a pony one for diversity's sake. It will make future monthly missions easier. I even started pulling decent mounted units recently (a Luke that is neither -Atk nor -Spd), maybe it's a sign.

Although I have to wonder - what A-slot for Camus and Xander? Fury probably does not synergize with QR (unless you play with a healer) and Distant Def is currently unavailable to me (and even if I landed 1 Celica, I woukdn't sacrifice her, that's against my tenets).

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#5102: Jun 28th 2017 at 8:39:05 AM

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Fury+Vantage is always good (my Camus run it), but it may not win you as many matchups. Unless you have Hone/Fortify Calvary.

Attack+3 and Quick Riposte is what I run on my Xander. Won't be changing it anytime soon either.

Some people still run and insist on Fury and Quick Riposte anyway even if it eventually knocks you out of the threshold. It seems the stat boost beats counter-productivity.

Distant Def is better on Camus since he has the SPD to utilize it, but like you said, that requires sacrificing Celica and she's a phenomenal unit. Let the whales do that.

edited 28th Jun '17 8:41:25 AM by erazor0707

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#5103: Jun 28th 2017 at 8:42:22 AM

I felt the hard mode here was easier than any other hard mode GHB I've tried to play. Can't even touch lunatic or Infernal, though.

edited 28th Jun '17 8:42:35 AM by TriggerLoaded

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#5104: Jun 28th 2017 at 8:51:22 AM

Fury synergizes well with Vantage (and I have found it's better for Camus than QR, since his speed stat is a lot better than Xander's). Quick Riposte goes best with a Def/Res boosting skill that makes its effect last more like Def+, Earth Boost or Distant Def (I personally use Xander's Vanilla set's Armored Blow to make Xander useful in player phase while minimizing the risk of going over QR's threshold)

edited 28th Jun '17 8:52:43 AM by DemonDamian

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#5105: Jun 28th 2017 at 9:09:26 AM

You know, I have appreciate how close the battles in the First Round of the VG are. They actually look rather fun. Rubberband effect aside.

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Sterok Since: Apr, 2012
#5106: Jun 28th 2017 at 9:22:35 AM

Took a bunch of tries, but I squeaked out Inferno with Ephraim, Tharja, Lucina,and Hector. First turn Tharja and Hector killed the green mage and Clarisse respectively. Tharja tanked the thief. Then Hector counter killed Blue Mage. Ephraim counter killed sword infantry and weakened sword horse. Lucina finished off horse, and Ephraim + Tharja finished off the Thief.

edited 28th Jun '17 9:26:15 AM by Sterok

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#5107: Jun 28th 2017 at 10:27:49 AM

I mean, it's possible, but it's not exactly easy to pull. Especially as falling in Desperation range on that map might be tricky for a Life and Death 3 build - I think Nino can only hope to survive the Thief and the Green Mage, both of them being hard to pull without drawing Clarisse beforehand.
Nino would probably have to avoid fighting the Thief until the very end where he can be softened or mobbed by the mass of refreshers (or pummeled by Eirika/Ephraim/Sharena, if going that route).

Ike's defense is, I think, too low. He takes 15 (or 11) from the horseman, and if he isn't on a defensive tile even the green mage with TA 3 inflicts 11 on him. Plus he has one less movement than Xander does, and apparently the main strategie is "put boosted QR Xander on a defense tile and avoid the blue mage" - which means that it will be harder to pull with a slower unit who hasn't even access to the +6 boosts. And Xander can be Warded from further away to increase his survivability.
That is the strat, or at least the one I used, but I didn't use any buffs, period (the way I had to position to start, he didn't even pick up Olivia's Hone Atk), on Xander. He just had Fury 3 and Quick Riposte, putting him at 40 Def (52 on defensive tile; which is insane overkill). Mine also survived by a decent margin, so Ike with Fortify Def 3 hits 36 Def (46 on defensive tile), which is just 4 shy of Xander (maybe taking 3-5 more damage overall, accounting for Fury's recoil). Ike also has the benefit of Heavy Blade 3 + Aether, so he can drain tank.

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#5108: Jun 28th 2017 at 11:05:10 AM

Who needs Nino or Xander when you can use Raigh and Donnel? tongue

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strawberryflavored Since: Sep, 2010
#5109: Jun 28th 2017 at 11:29:02 AM

Managed to beat hard and lunatic with M Robin, Xander, Reinhardt, and Julia but cannot figure out infernal. The thief having stupid high res and Windsweep doesn't help.

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#5110: Jun 28th 2017 at 11:33:48 AM

[up] Do you have Kagero? She may help.

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strawberryflavored Since: Sep, 2010
#5111: Jun 28th 2017 at 11:36:59 AM

Nope, no Kagero. Usually what I do is sub her out for Nino anytime something recommends her, but here that won't really work.

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#5112: Jun 28th 2017 at 11:41:39 AM

When I did it, I used Xander, Rein, Nino and Olivia. Used Nino to open the wall, then Rein killed the sword cav. Xander Repositioned him away. Olivia dance Xander, who ran forward onto the left defense tile and stabbed the Thief (grievous wound, but not a kill). This killed the green cav, injured Clarisse, got Xander Windswept by the Thief, but more importantly, shoved all the greys over onto the left side. Nino + Olivia then brute-forced the sword infantry to death with four attacks. Xander retreated out of range and hung out next to Rein. Blue mage suicides on Nino over the wall. The remaining injured greys approach. I think I was feeling cheeky, so Xander picked up both kills with Olivia's help (Rein and Nino would also have easily overpowered the last of their HP).

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#5113: Jun 28th 2017 at 1:00:34 PM

My last 3 Gauntlet battles have been sorta funny. Basically 3 Marias Cherry Tapping the hell out of units like Camilla, Bridelia and an underleveled Soren [lol]

I'm not complaining, since it's entertaining, but come on, your shared unit can be something other than the gauntlet unit...

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#5114: Jun 28th 2017 at 1:02:07 PM

I actually got Elise once despite being on Team Sakura.

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IniuriaTalis Since: Oct, 2014
#5115: Jun 28th 2017 at 1:04:17 PM

Wow, this was much easier than Legion's. I had Reinhardt, Xander, Kagero, and Camus. The trick was to put Xander on the Defense tile on the first turn (hitting the sword cavalry so Kagero could kill him) and just tank and damage everything, meaning that there was nothing left to stop Reinhardt from taking out Clarisse and Camus from just marching in to finish everyone off.

edited 28th Jun '17 1:10:54 PM by IniuriaTalis

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#5116: Jun 28th 2017 at 1:07:56 PM

[up][up][up] I think some people either just don't pay attention or would rather keep their favourite character as castle lead than provide anything useful. To complicate things, what spot gets shared isn't the most intuitive thing in the world.

[up][up] I've seen this enough to wager people are just doing it on purpose for the luls at this point.

edited 28th Jun '17 1:08:08 PM by KuroiTsubasaTenshi

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#5117: Jun 28th 2017 at 1:20:24 PM

I had double Priscilla once. Except both of them were +ATK with Wrathful Staff.

Not that it helped because my opponents were all high RES units.

EDIT: Wow. Team Clarine is still firmly in the lead with 5 (about to be 4) hours remaining. Although I'm Team Priscilla, I'm wondering if we're about to see a comeback victory since we were ahead for most of the First Round.

edited 28th Jun '17 3:52:03 PM by erazor0707

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Julep Since: Jul, 2010
#5118: Jun 28th 2017 at 4:18:07 PM

That is the strat, or at least the one I used, but I didn't use any buffs, period (the way I had to position to start, he didn't even pick up Olivia's Hone Atk), on Xander. He just had Fury 3 and Quick Riposte, putting him at 40 Def (52 on defensive tile; which is insane overkill). Mine also survived by a decent margin, so Ike with Fortify Def 3 hits 36 Def (46 on defensive tile), which is just 4 shy of Xander (maybe taking 3-5 more damage overall, accounting for Fury's recoil). Ike also has the benefit of Heavy Blade 3 + Aether, so he can drain tank.

I tried it (it was doomed from the start as my Ike does not have Aether, so he gets chipped to death by the poisons) and one big problem is that you cannot hit the thief with Ike because he only has 2 Mvt - he can only reach the first defense tile (which incidentally means that Clarisse can hit him from another defense tile, making her harder to put down). The other problem is that I don't have Reinhardt, so even if I retreat with Ike once the green knight is dead, I have no way to kill Clarisse even when she is outside of the defensive tiles - because her Special is at 1 after attacking Ike, so it activates on retaliation, which OS Bride Caeda who is my only blue mage able to one-round the red horseman, or Nino. Ike with Vantage might take care of Clarisse, but the Thief problem would still remain as he doesn't care about Vantage, would be at full-life, and would spend a few turns on a defensive tile. Obviously, Reinhardt would solve the issue, but I don't have him.

There is probably a solution somewhere, but it is definitely not worth the SI spending & SP grinding (I need a flat 1000 SP to give him Vantage 3 and Aether - he already had Reposition) when I can just save 20k feathers and cheese it with Xander when it comes back in a few months. This single try already cost me 1 Frederick and 2k feathers to give Bride Caeda Fortify Def 3 (well, 2, I didn't have enough SP to go to 3, but it didn't change much, Ike would probably have survived with 9-12 HP instead of 6). It's not totally wasted as Fortify Def might prove useful to have the complete buff set when I run my blade mages team (Azura -> Res, Nino -> Atk, Tharja -> Spd, Caeda -> Def), but I am not swimming in extra feathers and stamina potions at the moment.

Plus it gives new objectives to fulfill in the long term, which the game is kinda lacking atm. I mean, sure, I have 4 3* Pallas that I can patiently use to give extra levels to the one I already own, but that does not sound exactly riveting.

Edit: and for 40k feathers (Xander + Camus), I can be 100% sure to complete it the next time around (and I am not the only one) :

That is brilliant.

edited 28th Jun '17 4:24:42 PM by Julep

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#5119: Jun 28th 2017 at 4:33:06 PM

Hmmm, yeah, without Aether, I think Ike's out of luck. It's kind of his ace-in-the-hole for having to take worse positioning.

Did you see the mkv video? Raigh + Donnel + 2 refreshers at 4* can handle it. Dunno if you have them trained or not (I know you said you have a ton of units trained, though), but it's worth mentioning.

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Julep Since: Jul, 2010
#5120: Jun 28th 2017 at 4:48:05 PM

Yeah I have both of them at 4* and 40, but my Donnel is -SPD and my Raigh is -ATK. Biggest issue though is that I only have 1 4* Olivia. I used the others I got to SI Hone Atk 3, or I let them go to free some space in the barracks. Plus I have Azura if I want to try a double dancer strategy - except this time it won't work because Azura cannot tank the green mage.

Seriously though, if those were mediocre GHB units I had to level up to pass it, like Lloyd or Narcian, then I would try harder. But both Xander and Camus are excellent, and my current ponies are mediocre - to the point that despite having 2 5* horses (-ATK Caïn and -ATK Spring Xander), I completed most of the L10 missions with teams of 4* units with zero inheritance by cherrypicking color advantage (usually it was against physical enemies, and my most common MVP were 4* Stahl against greens, 4* Abel against reds, and 4* Fred & Cecilia against blues, with Gunter as backup). In the long run it will save me stamina, as the horse teams are by far those with which I have the lowest rate of success-without-losses in 10th stratum. And not one of them has reached 2k HM yet.

On an unrelated note, Team Sakura, we are likely to be in the zone in either 20 minutes or 1h20. If we get a non-significant lead, we might actually take it!

Julep Since: Jul, 2010
#5121: Jun 28th 2017 at 5:10:06 PM

Unrelated, but since a new Tempest Trial has been announced and we won't get any more story missions before that, we have two usual suspects for "which world is going to get invaded?, if the structure is similar; Mystery, or Fates.

During the 1st TT, during a session of N maps, the maps 1 to (N-1)/2 belonged to Chapter 4 (World of Awakening), and the maps (N-1)/2+1 to N-1 belonged to Chapter 8 (Return to Awakening).

  • For Mystery, the first batch of maps would be pretty easy...except for (1-5) Prince of Mystery which with the wrong enemies can be an utter and total bitch. The second batch could be trickier, with maps such as (5-2) Captive Princess or (5-3) No Way Out, but overall I get the feeling it would be much easier than the Awakening TT.
  • For Fates, the Conquest maps would be a significant bump in difficulty compared to Mystery, with the possibility for some BS on (2-2) Lovely Bloom or (2-3) Callous Prince. The Hoshido ones however look quite simple aside from (5-5) Prince of Birthright or (5-3) Blunt Princess, especially if put next to the maps in Return to Awakening. There is the possibility to get some crap thanks to RNG, but overall all those maps tend to have some tricks to pull safely and quickly the enemies.

Hence why I think Fates is the most likely candidate for "next world to be invaded": better map pool (and an obvious equivalent to Masked Lucina as a reward in "Mysterious Singer" Azura). Since the heroes who were picked as focus for TT #1 were a combination of "high-tier" and "fan-favourite", we might see a banner with the likes of Azura, Corrin (either), Kagero, Effie, Camilla or Ryoma. Azura being a focus unit could be a nod to Lucina's situation in the first TT.

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#5122: Jun 28th 2017 at 5:14:18 PM

If they do give "Mysterious Singer" Azura I hope she's different. The Hero Fest banner ensured 90% of the player base got vanilla Azura.

Could totally picture her a blue tome user with a special water tome.

edited 28th Jun '17 5:15:08 PM by erazor0707

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#5123: Jun 28th 2017 at 5:17:24 PM

I'm Team Priscilla as well, and it's been pretty close. I also hope that all the characters post Awakening get knocked out.

Ha ha ha. What a story, Mark.
Julep Since: Jul, 2010
#5124: Jun 28th 2017 at 5:25:35 PM

The Hero Fest banner ensured 90% of the player base got vanilla Azura.

Errr...I think you overestimate it here. Especially as it was a 4 colors banner, meaning that most players probably just made entire sessions instead of hunting for blue.

She is always here in the Arena though, that is for sure.

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#5125: Jun 28th 2017 at 6:14:39 PM

Even hunting blue, there's no guarantee. I spent... I think 100 orbs hunting for her and didn't get her.

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