Marvel vs. Capcom Infinite

Well Wolverine wasn't in MSH and MS Hvs SF...

Point still stands tho.

...Yes he was?

Wolverine has been in every single Marvel Vs game until Infinite.

Jimmy has been in every Capcom develop Marvel game except for the Punisher. He's even been in the Beat' Em Ups.

Of course that's even more reason to be pissed off that Logan & Mr. Wilson isn't even the game or haven't announce as DLC for that matter.

No, he isn't.

Actually Akuma has been in a lot of crossover games. He's not that far behind to Ryu & Chun-Li in terms of appearance. In fact he's probably the 3rd most rep of the SF cast. For the record I'm including cameos as well.

Not that Akuma's number of appearance has to do anything with Wolverine's. Hell, they're unofficialy rivals in the VS series, so having one without the other is awkward even if Akuma can handle being cut because how relevant he's in Tekken 7.

There are more Capcom Vs games than just the ones with Marvel. Wolverine has been in all the Marvel Vs games, but not the Capcom Vs games that don't include Marvel.

And Akuma hasn't been in every non Marvel Vs. game, either, so that's neither here nor there.

Akuma wasn't in Marvel 1 (though Ryu could use his moveset through a super) while Wolverine was, so within the context of this branch of the Vs. games Wolverine has a better attendance rate.

But arbitrary attendance numbers mean fuck all given Wolverine's pop cultural presence far outweighs Akuma's anyway, so excluding Wolvie means more for the game than Gouki.

Hate to bring this up, but with the recent news involving Blazblue Cross Tag does this DLC for this game seem as bad now? I just want to know which is worse...

They're not really comparable, though there's evidence to suggest that the first wave of DLC characters were being developed close to the game's initial release date, they were mostly brand new characters, at the very least. Anything after that will undeniably of been developed after the fact, too, unlike the Blazblue scenario that suggests most if not all the DLC characters are being developed now, given the game has an upcoming EVO Japan demo with the game's entire release roster 6 months in advance.

Including Infinite and X-Men vs Street Fighter, there are only two characters who've been in every single Marvel vs Capcom game: Ryu and Chun Li. If you exclude Infinite, Wolverine joins that list. To be fair, though, if you exclude X-Men vs Street Fighter, Captain America, Hulk, and Spider-Man also join that list, they've been playable since the X-Men side expanded to all of Marvel. If you exclude both vs Street Fighter games, Morrigan joins the list, she's been playable ever since the Street Fighter side expanded to all of Capcom.

Akuma and Strider Hiryu come the closest out of the remainders. Akuma wasn't in the first Marvel vs Capcom, and Hiryu wasn't in the original Marvel vs Capcom 3 (though he also obviously wasn't in either vs Street Fighter game, I was judging him the same as Morrigan).

edited 14th Jan '18 2:09:20 AM by PushoverMediaCritic

That kind of thinking is why the roster is so controversial.

I said it in the Crosstag thread & I'll say it here, unless Arc says something as dumb like the cast was nothing but a bunch of "Functions" or nobody remembers "The 6 Heroes", then they're not Capcom bad yet.

At least Crosstag has something to look forward to after post launch. Even if it was a dick move on their part.

edited 14th Jan '18 6:09:31 AM by agent-trunks

Functions will live in infamy, as will "Well modern audiences may not remember the X-Men." The PR aspect of this game was bungled worse than any fighting game in my recent memory.

I can't Believe that guy said no one remembers the x-men with a straight face. I wouldn't be able to do that.

Capcom: We will give you 1000$ to say that.

Explains any budget issues. They are spending more in covering up the mess instead of fixing it.

No, they barely done anything with the game is the real problem.

Eh, to me, the fact Wolverine's been in all the games is reason enough for him not to be in again "for the sake of it".

Note that I didn't say the Marvel half of the roster was the best they could do, or even "good", just understandable. Infinite is really underwhelming in that regard after 2 and "ultimate" 3, but I'm also pretty confident a good roster without scratchy is possible. Absent Wolverine isn't even close to one of my problems with the game, any more than no Akuma. Make arguments for Wolverine being more important or whatever, but the whole Capcom Vs starts with Akuma's(inexplicable)presence in Children of the Atom. That was the argument made for not getting rid of Akuman back in 3.

Just a 25-25 roster, not even asking the 56 of 2 since it really wasn't done that well anyway, using the opportunity of the more well known and overused character's absence to slip others in. To an extent that was done. Black Panther doesn't make all that much sense in 3 where there was Wolverine, X 23 and Felicia, but now they're all gone so why not? It's just with all x book related characters gone they might as well have gone all out with everything else. Runaways, Nextwave, Young Avengers, Guardians Of The Galaxy, Alpha Flight, Sinister Six, Masters Of Evil, Thunderbolts etc, etc. And I'm not saying Capcom needed to make a big budget game, or even a big budget Marvel Vs game. Just that since there already was a big budget Marvel Vs game this decade, they probably should have waited till 2020+ before going with a smaller budget sequel, when demand for more Marvel Vs Capcom would have theoretically been higher.

And smaller budget or no, held off on the day one paid DLC and such people didn't like about the last one, not increased the amount of those things.

And maybe in the future just don't promise a story mode like they did with three, which apparently made them feel one had to be delivered in Infinite at the expense of character interaction and arcade endings.

Black Panther finally making the roster almost certainly had less to do with Wolverine not being there and more to do with something I can't put my finger on having happened in the 6 years since the last game that significantly raised his profile.

For all the jokes about him being a Wolverine function, he doesn't really play like him. He plays way more like Vega, Sabretooth and Marrow.

edited 14th Jan '18 5:58:42 PM by comicwriter

All this talk about Wolverine, and I'd still take someone like Guillotine over him any day.

Not saying that's likely as DLC or anything. I just think adding new and interesting characters should be a priority over traditional ones.

edited 14th Jan '18 6:13:24 PM by Zeromaeus

I'm not saying Panther plays like him. Panther has a lot more to offer a fighting game than scratchy. I'm saying when Ghost Rider, the hell fire vomiting chain wielding wall climbing motor cycle riding death glare giving spirit of vengeance, only gets in by executive mandate because the developer thought he was "too punchy", what chance did Panther have?

Maybe Panther does owe his spot to executive mandate too, but I could see something like Blade not getting in because Wolverine and Deadpool already being there, but then they're gone so they start reading some Blade comics for quotes and what not and find something about him they never knew and decided had to be put in the game, resulting him not playing all that much like Deadpool either. I meant to say to an extent it did happen, but you're right about it not likely being for reasons I wanted and as I already elaborated on nowhere near to the extent I would have liked.

Capcom has every right to make a cheaper cash in, but they should have known better than doing one this early and not fixing too many of the problems people had last time. May have been better served with a Vs Square Enix, or Shonen Jump, or CLAMP, or Universal, or Toho, or SEGA, or Paramont, or Cartoon Network, or Kellogs...but hindsight and all that.

Ya have to go for the right mix of old & new.

The old Mortal Kombat games eschewed their classic characters in favor for news constantly & that was a bad move.

Their's a reason why a classic/traditional character is considered classic/traditional.

edited 14th Jan '18 6:53:10 PM by slimcoder

There's a reason Liu Kang is still in MKX despite... some interesting stuff having happened to him.

The fact that there aren't much news on MVCI recently is alarming, no?

Except if there's any place I'm expecting these interactions to be in a story mode. That's why I was so excited until I realize whoever was writing it has no idea what either characters are supposed to feel like.

Still don't like that direction.

edited 14th Jan '18 7:38:52 PM by agent-trunks