Captain America: Civil War (with SPOILERS!) Discussion and Whatever Thread

Yeah I've already said before (I think) that I'm really annoyed with some of the defenses of Wanda in Civil War despite her actions in Age of Ultron. And don't get me wrong, I like Wanda. I don't hate her, I don't think she's an awful person or anything, but I'm annoyed by brushing off her actions in Age of Ultron.

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I blame the hulkbuster fight in Ao U since is a pointless scene that is just crossover, kinda like nightmare in Bv S....in fact, for me that movie is what for you is Bv S: a complete mess that it jungle to much, the dialogue I feel awfull and it a way it represent what many dislike of Marvel, and feel CW is having to carry a lot of baggage from that movie.

And the reason I blame wanda is not much what she did, but how the movie focus so much on her feeling about lagos, it come as....I dont know, manipulative? to angsty? I think overall, I feel they waste a oportunity for a huge chararter devolpment for her.

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I don't get the problem with Tony's creation of Vision. His argument is pretty sound: to beat a super-advanced AI, they need a super-advanced AI of their own, but one they can trust, and unlike Ultron, who was an accidentally created newborn that developed a genocidal persona while no one was looking, Jarvis had already been tested and proven himself a protector of humanity.

It's basically countering the Science Is Bad theme common to stories about robots turning against humanity by showing that the concept of robotics is still sound.

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Because in short, tony does the exact same thing with ultron in vision, hoping that mixing earth tech with alien one someone give him the desire result.

Not only is really reckless and a HUGE bet that could not paid off and did it behind is back...in sort, he fuck up and them he decide to did is fuck up again hoping thing got like he want it.

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If anything Thanos showing up will absolve Tony not Steve. In Ao U, Tony was the one afraid of what else was out there, of what was coming next to threaten Earth. He may have gone about preparing for it tbf wrong way, but he at least knew they needed to be prepared.

I might actually forgive Winter Soldier and Civil War's flaws if Tony looks to Steve and says, "I guess trying to stop a war before it starts doesn't seem like such bad idea now, does it?" and Steve admits Tony's right.

T He issue is not tony or steve are absolve but HOW they are, the biggest mistake of Civil war is treating the whole thing as a fallout between friend, I feel it would be too much like "sorry buddy" rather than any compromise about it.

Also, how you think Marvel will handle Rhodey? I feel is similar to Barbara, were there is two side about the idea of living her like oracle or return him to batgirl.

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He's getting cyborg legs, isn't he?

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He's basically going through Tony's I lost me legs arc from the comic.

With 100% less crazy ex girlfriend behind it as well.

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I recall the Russos, in the DVD commentary for Civil War, said that they made several cuts of the film, tested audiences on which side they sympathized with, and ultimately went with a cut that had the audience directly split between Team Iron Man or Team Cap.

And yeah, I agree that The Winter Soldier is more about the slippery slope of power than it is about Nazi conspiracies. It reminds me a lot of what Edward Snowden called "turn-key tyranny". Sure those cameras and drones seem okay enough when they're in your supposedly responsible hands, but what happens when you're unexpectedly booted out and the new management comes in?

edited 21st Jul '17 9:46:23 PM by Tuckerscreator

I really want him to survive, first because it will finally give him some time to shine without being the "black iron man" something that sour me about him being the casualty, if they use ironheart(and I feel they will) after infinitive war he can be a mentor(I really hope Peter and iron heart being friends) and for last is the diversity part, I want a black chararter to be a veteran helping another black chararter, that would be great.

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Personally I felt they spent far too much time on the conflict between estar and ser with the supposed main fight with terminar spent most of it in the background. Not to mention that stupid romantic subplot with querer that never went anywhere.

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edited 22nd Jul '17 10:57:56 AM by TheAirman

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Ok, now Im thinking something here

Do you think Marvel is going to adress the whole issue of Visioin shooting rhoedy?

i mean, is not a big issue like Wanda, but it seen it afect visión somewhat, I wonder if they will adress that or is going to get lost between Tony and cap bickering

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Maybe? Vision seemed clearly upset about it. Could be a B-Plot of Vision and Rhodey being kind of awkward and tense around each other after it until Vision is inevitably axed in Infinity War.

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If it's awkward at all, it'll probably be on Vision's end. I think Rhodey would be pretty understanding about the concept of friendly fire.

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Considering that Rhodes was the one who ordered Vision to shoot, I think he will take at least part of the responsibility on himself.

maybe but he didnt expect visioi to fail like that.

Also...what is going to be Tony reaction to visión? I dont think he is going to blame him or anything but....is kinda hard to Tony seen is creatin hurting is best friend.

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Tony knows it wasn't his fault.

He knows why it happened, but it was just a fluke of circumstance. There's no one to blame on this one.

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sure, let hope that Tony stark of all people will get that, ether he blame visión or will blame himself.

Is just what he does

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Tony blames himself because that is what Tony does. And he was the leader, so it did happen under his watch. I am not saying that it was his fault (except for the "too stubborn to listen to Cap for just five minutes" thing in the beginning - but all Avengers did their part in escalating the situation), but he would certainly feel that way.