Jessica Jones

I just hope Jeri will get some kind of Heel Realization.

Didn't we already had this? I mean, it is terrifying to be ill and suddenly realizing that there is nobody in your life you can truly trust except maybe some drunk private detective with a ton of issues who will at least be completely honest to you.

Yeah, but then she.....manipulated Inez into killing Shane.

I mean sure, these 2 wronged her, but it was way, WAY overblown.

That's what makes Jeri great. She's like an old lesbian lawyer Punisher.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Jul 9th 2018 at 7:56:46 AM

I can't say I approve morally of what Jeri did to Shane and Inez. On the other hand, I can't say I feel too sorry for them since taking advantage of a sick woman's faith is one of the lowest things you can do.

Edited by windleopard on Jul 9th 2018 at 10:36:08 AM

Agreed, if I were in Jeri's position, I'd feel payback was justified. But a proportionate response would be going to the police and pressing charges against Inez and Shane for fraud. Manipulating Inez into murdering Shane crosses a line that's probably hard to come back from.

I just like that that old homeless man who nicknamed Inez Green "Mean-ez Mean" turned out to be right in his assessment.

Even then, that would weaken her position elsewhere. She was already clinging tooth and nail to the law offices. If it got out that she got swindled out of everything by some nutjobs who faked a miricle healing, she'd be dead in the water.

I feel like Jeri didn't cross any lines in season 2 that she didn't already cross in season 1

Same. If anything, I feel her S2 actions are a step down in reprehensibility of her S1 actions.

Well, there is a difference between realizing what are the truly important things in life and starting to act morally sound. Jerri will never do the latter. That's not who she is, she will always trick and manipulate people...the progress is that she might stop doing it to people who don't deserve it. Might. We will see.

I wonder if in Iron Fist Season 2 we'll see more of her shady side. That is if she appears in it.

Danny's still pretty naive even post Luke Cage S2 E10 and Defenders, so unless he happens upon evidence directly (and I think Jeri's good enough at reading people to not make him aware otherwise) he's not going to find out. But depending on how much story focus she gets we could still see some shady business.

Joy would probably work well with her come to think of it.

I think Danny can actually trust Jerri if for no other reason than it being in her best interest to protect him. He is her best customer after all. With Rand and Danny on her retainer, her new company is secure.

I hope though that they will soon clear up once and for all if she poached Foggy and Marcie or not. I really hope she did.

Oh I don't doubt he can trust her.

What I was thinking more of is that if we do get Danny healing, or attempting to heal her. Then Jeri might have a bit more screentime than in IF S1.

And I feel like the more screentime she gets, the more likely she is to do something shady.

Honestly, if she keeps up doing screwed up shit, I can't help but call her disease good old karma.

I hope though that they will soon clear up once and for all if she poached Foggy and Marcie or not. I really hope she did.

Yeah, I hope so too. It would be best for Hogarth to not get dragged into the mess that Fisk is going to put Marci and Foggy through during season 3 of Daredevil.

Edited by dmcreif on Jul 10th 2018 at 11:58:34 AM

Eh, I meant that I hoped she hired them for her new law firm....

Just watched season 2.

Ehhhh.... the first half was great when the investigation was the primary concern, but it felt like the second half was written by a different person.

Notably I kind of ran out of people to root for once the show started letting off Alisa for everything - she's arrogant, spiteful, and has committed multiple murders, at least five and possibly six by the end of the series, including at least two people who were innocent of anything. But Jessica still spares her for no good reason other than she's her mother, and as a result causes a huge number of bad things to happen (when you have to let a minor antagonist convince you to turn a serial killer in you know you've lost it). All attempts to garner sympathy for her while ignoring all that she's responsible for only made me hate her more and also caused Jessica to be less sympathetic. Trish's power envy comes out of basically nowhere - or rather, it being her original motive as opposed to something she got obsessed with gradually came out of nowhere. I definitely didn't like what they did with her, though honestly I also can't blame her too much for what happened at the end, and I found Jessica boo-hooing over her murderer mother to be more dislikable.

The only characters I liked by the end were Chang, who I found Unintentionally Sympathetic because other characters keep screwing him over in some way, and Malcolm, for being the only sane man out of the major cast, and Detective Costa, for always making reasonable choices even when dealing with a complete asshole with no respect for the law. The superintendent was pretty cool as well, and I liked how once Vido explained the incident with the window he was then 100% on Jessica's side.

Edited by Sigilbreaker26 on Jul 17th 2018 at 6:35:41 PM

I only just realized it now, but Jessica's arc with her mom has lots of parallels to Joy Meachum's relationship with her father in Iron Fist season 1:

• Jessica: her family is involved in a car accident in which she believes her entire family including her mother was killed. However, Alisa is actually alive and well, having been declared dead by Dr. Malus so he could perform legally dubious lifesaving operations on her, which have left her violently unstable and prone to mood swings. 17 years later, Jessica finds out her mother is alive, stumbling upon her virtually by accident. Once she gets past her initial wariness towards her mom, she does everything to try and keep that familial connection around. And then her mother is killed for real by her adoptive sister Trish. And by the end of season 2, she's estranged from Trish and Malcolm.

• Joy: Her father seemingly dies from cancer. In reality, Harold has been revived by the Hand and is being kept under virtual house arrest in a secret penthouse, using Ward as his puppet to guide the direction of Rand Enterprises. The substance used to revive him also leaves him with much less impulse control and more violent tendencies. Growing suspicious of Ward and Danny (who are keeping her in the dark about Harold), Joy eventually decides to investigate on her own and stumbles upon Harold. After her initial wariness towards getting Harold back after believing him dead for 13 years, Joy quickly begins helping him, and is so delighted to have this familial connection back that she doesn't heed Danny's and Ward's warnings that Harold is dangerous. So it's a sting to learn how Harold betrayed Danny. And then Harold is dead for real, fought to a standstill by Danny, and then shot by Ward, causing him to fall to his death. So Joy is now emotionally distant from Danny and possibly also from Ward, leaving her in an emotionally broken state (though optimistically, we hope she's just playing Davos as much as Davos is playing her)

Hopefully not...I hated the second season of JJ.

I thought it was fantastic, just as good as the first season.

I share my opinion with you

It was good until Alisa was revealed and then it went downhill. It was like the first and second halves were written by two completely different writing teams.

Edited by Sigilbreaker26 on Jul 26th 2018 at 2:51:26 PM

It does seem interesting that Daredevil, Jessica Jones, and Luke Cage all ended their second seasons with the hero alienated from their loved ones.

• Daredevil: Matt and Foggy’s friendship (and Matt's romance with Karen) is put on hold
• Jessica Jones: Jessica and Trish’s friendship is put on pause, and Malcolm lost his respect for Jessica
• Luke Cage: Claire broke up with Luke early on, and Misty loses some trust in Luke after his taking over Harlem’s Paradise.
• Iron Fist: We don't know yet what they'll do in season 2 here, but they might break up Danny and Colleen. Part of me hopes though that at least Danny might bring Joy back into the light. Maybe Iron Fist will break the streak.

My guess as to why they do this is because it's the 'second act' thing: the first season establishes the hero as a hero, the second season knocks them down a peg, the third season is the redemption. They also probably are willing to go these routes knowing that we'll be getting new seasons, and the writers probably feel a need to make changes to the status quo of the characters to keep things interesting, even if those changes don't go over well with the audience.

(Since Daredevil season 3 will be coming out after Iron Fist season 2, I think that will break the streak as far as downer endings go for the main characters.)

Edited by dmcreif on Jul 26th 2018 at 12:00:35 PM

I thought the second half was better than the first. Alisa was one of the most compelling antagonists in the Netflix shows, and I'd say she's just as good as Kilgrave was.