You guys sound like you guys are confusing The Dark Phoenix Saga with The Phoenix Saga.
The Dark Phoenix Saga was about the Hellfire Club corrupting Jean on earth and Shi'ar don't show up until the last issue to act as a plot device to depower/kill Jean. With Claremont even admitting they were a plot device.
In other words: DP was a grounded, human, and emotional story that spend little time on intergalactic stuff. The Phoenix Saga was the space opera and that was where the Shi'ar was introduced. Which happened tens of issues before Dark Phoenix.
edited 1st Sep '17 3:37:46 AM by ManOfSin
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They're been saying that the Shi'ar are going to be a big part of this movie and that Deathbird is one of the main villains. If they're planning on doing the Hellfire Club as a major force on top of that (with Sebastian Shaw and Emma Frost both dead), that'd be news to me, and then if they're following up on the Mr Sinister teaser from Apocalypse, that sounds like a pretty crowded movie, which doesn't strike me as having the breathing room you'd want for something more grounded.
edited 1st Sep '17 3:49:14 AM by Unsung
Not saying The Hellfire Club will be in this. Sinister was Logan but he was written out but still alluded to.
I have a feeling that they are going to replace the Hellfire with a cinematic Shadow King. The last movie kinda alluded to that.
edited 1st Sep '17 4:06:14 AM by ManOfSin
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The Shadow King Is currently the main villain of Legion. Do they want to cross the properties that way? And I love Legion, I consider it the best ongoing comic book show on TV because of how it blends everything. But yeah, TV and film.
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...Are they going to do more Shadow King references? Didn't Apocalypse already hit a lot of those beats? And yeah Amahl Farouk has already been pretty well-served by his appearance in Legion.
I know. I remember reading on a forum that Singer in a podcast with empire said that Apocalypse was only physically dead or something. Which is very Shadow King-ish.
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They should put that stuff in New Mutants.
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But seriously, people here are not realizing there are two Phoenix Sagas.
edited 4th Sep '17 3:20:04 AM by ManOfSin
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It's not like the two are entirely unrelated to each other, but regardless, people are specifically zeroing in on the part about the Shi'ar, saying that it's weird that that part of the Phoenix Saga (which does seem to be the focus of the movie from everything we've heard) would be described as grounded and mundane. So I'm not really sure what you're trying to say.
edited 4th Sep '17 3:46:31 AM by Unsung
Oh, no. Most people(not just talking about this site) are clearly zoning on the faithfulness of the source material. I've seen people exclusively argue that Dark Phoenix heavy took place in space. Which they are objectively wrong about.
edited 4th Sep '17 7:06:48 AM by ManOfSin
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I mean, okay, but you said "people here", which I'm not really seeing.
X-Men film series? Faithful to the source material? My, how droll.
This film is set in the nineties. X-files UFO conspiracies were absolutly the rage then. I'm betting that they play it out like a first contact scenario.
Which, would be grounded its true.
Apparently Dark Phoenix is a two parter according to Olivia Munn.
Good! I was worried they were gonna rush into Jean's big whoops without giving us a reason to care about her relationship with the team.
Wait, will the second hard be set in the nineties too, or will it be set in the naughties?
I just reread The Dark Phoenix. It's definitely not what you call an intergalactic story. Unless you seriously think our the moon is in another galaxy...
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Isn't this the storyline(s) where the Phoenix devours a star?
Yes, for a few pages. Then the story goes straight back to being near earth after that.
EDIT: You don't even need to go into another galaxy to reach the nearest star.
edited 8th Oct '17 10:15:25 AM by ManOfSin
New Mutants teaser
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Jeez, that...that feels like a fucking horror movie instead of a superhero movie. Like, if they didn't mention anything about mutants in there, this could easily be misinterpreted as a trailer for some random horror movie.
Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
So yeah, that Gambit movie is happening apparently
https://io9.gizmodo.com/channing-tatums-gambit-film-is-finally-really-actuall-1819422357
Well...that was something, wasn't it?
I mean, didn't the director say there'd be horror elements in the movie?
Actually, I really hope this isn't Fant4stic all over again in that the director who made this one good movie turned out to be way too incompetent to handle a big budgeted superhero blockbuster.
(It probably shouldn't be the case if that one social media picture collection of New Mutants trades from last year or so are an indication of his acknowledgement that he knows what he's dealing with.)
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Well, this is based on The Demon Bear Saga, which was basically a Vertigo story before Vertigo was a thing. And Legion has horror elements, too, though it wasn't really advertised as such beforehand. Then again, a bunch of mutant kids being experimented on just as they're coming into their powers probably should be horrific, from their point of view. I'm willing to see how this experiment plays out.
Jessica Chastain is likely playing Emma Frost. She said she is not playing Lilandra.
Honestly this franchise has always worked best when it's just been doing world building of what it feels like to live in this world of mutants. Last Stand, Days of Futures Past and Apocalypse totally sidelined that strength. For that reason if we want investment in Jeanette Grey and why the Dark Phonix matters we're going to need to find a grounded space within the film to make her character real.
Grounded doesn't mean mundane of course, we're still having aliens and AN ALL MIGHTY COSMIC FORCE OF REBIRTH, just hopefully we get a mortal viewpoint on it.
edited 31st Aug '17 6:39:30 PM by Whowho