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In the case of Hungary it may well be intentional. They don't want the refugees.
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Yeah Hungary may have some policies that are okay in a vacuum or perhaps in a different country, but Budapest is so disingenuous at this point, one can't necessarily praise them given why they do certain things.
Still, if there are some useful policies, it might be good to glean them before the taint becomes absolute...
A procrastination in of itself
I suspect it is intentional, which is why an EU assistance force should be sent to support the Hungarian effort, but the EU guys are equipped with Google translate.
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Archbishop of Canterbury: it is reasonable to fear 'colossal' migration crisis
In his first comments about the EU debate, Justin Welby said a response to the great movement of people was needed at a European level and the UK must find a way of “taking its share of the load”.
Welby said people’s fears about migration should not be dismissed but communities can be “much more absorbent” than they get credit for and called for organisation at a “macro level” to address the crisis.
“This is one of the greatest movements of people in human history. Just enormous. And to be anxious about that is very reasonable,” he told the House magazine. “There is a tendency to say ‘those people are racist’, which is just outrageous, absolutely outrageous.
“In fragile communities particularly – and I’ve worked in many areas with very fragile communities over my time as a clergyman – there is a genuine fear: what happens about housing? What happens about jobs? What happens about access to health services?
“There is a genuine fear. And it is really important that that fear is listened to and addressed. There have to be resources put in place that address those fears.”
He said the scale of migration was “such an enormous challenge that it can only be handled at a European level” but the lack of a Europe-wide solution was “deepening the crisis very, very significantly”.
“A problem of this scale can only be dealt with by a response on an equally grand scale right across Europe, and we have to play our part,” Welby said.
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And the AfD have made gains during three regional elections in Germany:
German voters batter Merkel over migrant policy
The result is a big setback for Merkel, who has led Europe's biggest economy for a decade, and could narrow her room for manoeuvre as she tries to convince her European Union partners to seal a deal with Turkey to stem the tide of migrants.
Merkel's Christian Democrats (CDU) lost ground in all three states - Baden-Wuerttemberg and Rhineland-Palatinate in the west and Saxony-Anhalt in the east - which were together widely seen as offering a verdict on Merkel's liberal migrant policy.
"These results are a serious rebuke for Merkel and the most pronounced protest vote we've seen so far," said Holger Schmieding, an analyst at Berenberg Bank.
The result in the two western states was the worst-case scenario for Merkel, who has staked her legacy on her decision to open Germany's doors to over 1 million migrants last year. But she still looks set to run for a fourth successive term as chancellor, with no real challenger for the right to lead her party into next year's federal election.
"The result will increase the noise within the CDU and constrain the government's options on migrants and Greece, but Merkel's chancellorship is not at risk," said Carsten Nickel at Teneo Intelligence.
Responding to voters' fears, she has promised to stem the flow of migrants to Germany, and is trying to convince Turkey to help - and other EU partners to share the burden. In the last few weeks, the numbers of migrants entering Germany have fallen.
ts support was strongest in Saxony-Anhalt, where it grabbed 24.2 percent of the vote behind a diminished CDU showing, surpassing even the Social Democrats (SPD), Merkel's coalition partner in Berlin, ZDF television projections indicated.
With campaign slogans such as "Secure the borders" and "Stop the asylum chaos", it was the first time the Af D had come as high as second in any state.
"We have fundamental problems in Germany that led to this election result," said Af D chief Frauke Petry.
The Af D's rise, which has coincided with strong gains by other European anti-immigrant parties including the National Front in France, punctures the centrist consensus around which the mainstream parties have formed alliances in Germany, and may embolden more European leaders to challenge Merkel on the migrant issue.
The CDU's leader in Saxony-Anhalt pointed the finger squarely at Merkel for his party's losses.
"The issue that has brought the Af D into parliaments across Germany can't be ignored on a federal level any more. We need solutions," Reiner Haseloff told ARD television.
Charlotte Knobloch, former head of Germany's Central Council of Jews, bemoaned a "massive shift to the right". "If voters follow the call of right-wing populists and extremists to such an extent, it is a failure of the democratic parties," she said.
It bothers me how little people care about this subject. America is making a huge deal about Trump and over in Germany we call our Donald Trump Af D and he won. It also is really scary how little the people actually know about the Af D. All they hear about is that they want to remove foreigners and refugees. What they don't hear is the fact that the Af D is against the Mindestlohn, equality between genders and is homophobic too. Didn't Canada offer to take in Americans if Donald Trump wins? Who offers German's protection from A Nazi by Any Other Name?
What is actually more interesting is that the far left hasn't made it in any of those elections. Otherwise...not much of a surprise. Saxony Anhalt is just as bad as Saxony itself when it comes to the Af D. I would be more worried if it had gained the number it made there in any of the other elections. Most of the shifts went more from the CDU to the FDP or smaller parties, and the SPD lost a lot of approval. I guess the green will have to learn to deal with the CDU in Ba Wü. But then, the Green there is not particular leftist.
Based on this...the Af D talks big, but realistically, Bavaria will more go towards the CSU (which has more or less the same demands as the Af D concerning refugees without the extra-baggage) and the other western federal states might spread out their votes, but not necessarily to the Af D (there are other alternatives - see what I did there - after all). Thankfully Eastern Germany was smaller than Western Germany, so even if the Af D gets approval there (good luck to those states stupid enough to put those people into power), it will still be a minor party.
HGW XX/7
Disappointing that the brown scum is in. But it should be pointed that it took German 1.1m migrants in a single year to get to where the rest of Western Europe has with far less disruption, and it's an open question as whether the AfD will have any staying power once (if) the migrant issue dies down.
edited 14th Mar '16 2:32:20 PM by Achaemenid
Schild und Schwert der Partei
The problem isn't new...we actually pulled it into our country when we took Eastern Germany. But it is really a problem which just had lain hidden yet again. But I haven't forgotten Rostock. That's the problem when you take a bunch of people who grew up with an entirely different education system and allow them to keep a lot of the old teachers in place. You end up with a bunch of people who simply don't fit very well into the society you have so carefully build. (Not that we don't have a problem in the West, too, but it is way less pronounced there).
Edit: To clarify, this is what I am talking about: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rostock-Lichtenhagen_riots
And that was only the worst of numerous incidents in the 1990s. Another fairly infamous one is this one:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoyerswerda_riots
That's why I don't have a lot of patience with Saxony.
edited 14th Mar '16 3:10:29 PM by Swanpride
So Merkel got her deal with Ankara, hoping that it will save the EU, Schengen and her chancellorship. Let's hope that she is right, although I am somewhat sceptical. There are so many things that could go wrong, starting with the fact that the two countries that form the cornerstone of her strategy (Greece and Turkey) are very fragile. And even if everything should go as planned, it would be entirely possible that refugees would look for an alternative route (via the Caucasus and then across Eastern Europe) and we would thus be stuck with the same problem again.
edited 20th Mar '16 12:24:45 PM by Zarastro
http://foreignpolicy.com/2016/03/16/europe-doesnt-owe-refugees-fairness/
really interesting article.
Stating the obvious, really, although some people don't like to hear it.
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Really? Life Isn't Fair, so I shouldn't have to be either? If that's all they can say for themselves, they're better off shutting up.
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
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Well, it's exactly the same way that anyone who isn't an refugee/immigrant is treated — they are in way getting special treatment.
Seeing as their homes and livelihoods were annihilated, being treated like they're just some other person isn't exactly sensible.
Not even going to start arguments with the usual suspects trying to justify apathy.
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You didn't read the article, did you?
I read it. I have no issue with the article itself. I have an issue with it being used to justify apathy even if thats not what the article itself is arguing.
Well, one thing the article doesn't mention is that just because Germany took so many asylum seekers, it doesn't mean that they will be allowed to stay. They will live in the country until their cases are looked into, but if it turns out that they are actually economic immigrants, they won't get asylum. They will end up either send back to home, or end up in legal limbo. Which is exactly the reason why those people in Calais either wanted originally to Sweden or reach the UK: Sweden if even less prone to denying asylum than Germany is, and in the UK (as was suggested in the article) they can slip past the radar and work outside of the system - which is way more difficult to do in Germany, where you need papers for more or less everything. Which is exactly the reason why I am still adamant that it was necessary to push the process of sorting through those people back to turkey (though I dislike the way they are currently doing it). If we don't do this now, the actual refugees are in the end the looser, and political asylum for those who really fear for their lives will be a thing of the past.
That is the thing: True refugees aren't denied in any of the core and northern countries of the EU, not even in Denmark, which does its best to keep them away.
Party Crasher
Refugees are already being treated more than fairly by being allowed to traverse all over the EU, despite their lives being in no immediate danger.
It is sometimes an appropriate response to reality to go insane.
HGW XX/7
I think the article might better be summarized as 'Europe doesn't owe economic migrants anything'. Which is arguably true. Taking legitimate asylum seekers is an obligation, taking economic migrants is a choice.
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I agree, for the most part.
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Well put.
With what happened to Belgium recently, there's more animosity against bringing in refugees.
Because taking in 7000 people would be too dangerous... .
Poland won’t take refugees after Brussels
http://wkbn.com/2016/03/23/day-after-looking-for-top-terror-suspect-in-belgium/
Thing is the part of that which would be wrong would be the "sign something they can't understand" bit, get refugee claim forms printed in Arabic. Also don't threaten folks with jail, deportation is the logical action.
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