Independence Day 2

I would hardly call "plane accident" a humiliating death.

That's All There in the Manual anyway, there's a good chance we aren't given any details on what happened to him in the movie itself.

edited 14th Dec '15 10:33:17 AM by KJMackley

I'm not sure killing someone off by an accident happening with the very first human-alien hybrid fighter is in any way 'humiliating', especially when it makes a point of the world morning his death.

They could always clone him and bring him back if Will Smith decides to return to the franchise if this movie is successful.

Sorry, i should have reword what i said about Smith's character demise. The way i see it, the producers of the sequel killed off his character as some way to get back at him for not appearing for the sequel due to whatever it was the media is saying (eg. Higher salary disputes, the actor not interested in doing Sci-Fi films anymore, wanting his son Jaden in the movie etc).

Or they killed him so as to explain away why his character wouldn't be participating in this new fight. Doesn't have to be about "getting back" at anyone.

Yeah, it would seem really odd if his character doesn't show up when it seems everybody else from the 1st movie is appearing.

The only other alternative is recasting the character, but odds are that in this case it's easier to come up with a reason for him not to appear than to try to sell people on him being a different person.

edited 15th Dec '15 9:13:15 AM by TheSpaceJawa

And it's not like his character is some secondary character. It'd be like recasting Han Solo...

Putting a new actor in an old character never works out. The only ways that it probably could work is like with Wedge Antilles, where he was played by a different person every movie but no one noticed because they were all relatively the same.

That's not entirely true. The MCU recast both Bruce Banner and Rhodey successfully, though it would be much more difficult to write either of them out of their respective movies.

And I'm pretty sure that aside from the guy talking about how hitting the thermal exhaust port being impossible, Wedge was played by the same guy through all three movies.

edited 15th Dec '15 9:29:57 AM by TheSpaceJawa

Really? I thought he was three different guys because he had a different voice in all three movies. In ROTJ he was even British!

Well, technically the 'main' Wedge was played by one guy, but apparently not only did he replace the 'original' Wedge, he in turn had his voice dubbed over for IV anyhow before doing everything himself in the next two.

So the confusion is understandable.

edited 15th Dec '15 10:08:43 AM by TheSpaceJawa

Hiller was lucky that he died before the second alien fleet showed up.

Otherwise, he would have seen that he merely managed to delay Erf's end.

Personally, I want to see Earth launch a counter invasion by the time this movie is over.

Or better yet, humanity manages to stop the alien invasion at the cost of their planet's overall survival, thus forcing them rebuild the fallen mothership in order find a new planet to colonize. Or conquer.

A You Kill It, You Bought It on a planetary civilization scale.

Personally, I think that if there is a 3rd movie, setting Earth up as some kind of intergalactic liberators who fight back against the invaders beyond their own territory and help other species who haven't had as much luck protecting themselves (and haven't been wiped out yet) would be a pretty nifty direction to go.

But yeah, regardless, advancing humanity even further so they're not limited to their home solar system would be a nice next step.

The website says there are bases set up on the moon and even out to the moons of the gas giants, specifically to set up an early warning system. It seems implied that one of the innovations is that space travel has become a lot more cost efficient.

I wonder if after this second invasion would Earth begin to take a "proactive" approach to defending itself.

If so, I fear for the galaxy.

So, the War On Terror, galactic version? Yeaaah, that would be a bit risky…

No, I'm talking Imperium.

Purge the Heretics! All Xenos must Die!

Yup, an alien invasion is scary. But becoming an invader of aliens? That's another kind of scary. It like losing your soul kind of scary.

There's a difference between becoming the next evil invaders and becoming inter-galactic liberators who protect other alien species from a group of aliens who have no interest in peace and seek only to strip-mine planets of everything of value and then some.

We didn't go and piss in their swimmin' pool - they came and pissed in ours.

Still I wouldn't be surprised if Earth starts become an interstellar civilization that Avatar starts happen all over again.