Tate no Yuusha no Nariagari: Web novel and manga.

What Lightysnake said along with the simple reason that we REALLY don't fucking need stuff like this right now given the recent sociopolitical climate ESPECIALLY about Rape and Sexual Assault accusations.

From what I've read, the part where she gets sent to be raped/murdered is not what actually happens, only that her name gets legally changed to "Bitch". Also the one who inflicts the punishment is the Queen, who actually holds all the power in the kingdom (she was away on a diplomatic mission leaving the King to screw around, and she's a Reasonable Authority Figure. In fact I think that Myne is the only actually evil woman in the entire story

This exactly.

Care to fill us in on what actually happens to said princess?

Edit: Also, you guys still have a slave master as a MC and one of his love interest is underaged while he's 20. Don't see how you guys can root for him.

Edited by Ikedatakeshi on Jan 9th 2019 at 12:28:06 AM

He explicitly doesn't care about the slave aspect other then paranoia of not wanting to be betrayed again (Which is seen as wrong in universe). He even manages to find a way to break the slave curse so that the spell used to torture them for being disobedient won't work. He also treats all the slaves like they are his children, not servants. the only one that has explicit romantic feelings towards him is Raphtalia herself, due to being closest to him in age.

There is a justification used for why she’s still a slave.

Due to being a beast-kin she suffers from racism & apparently if she were to gain her freedom, she would be at risk from a racist attacking her. So like by staying as a slave, being the property of someone prevents others from attacking her.

Because keeping slaves is okay if you treat them well apparently. Also I checked the wiki, Raphtalia is 10. So there is a lot of issues here.

It's not like he, being a decent human being, can protect her or anything.

Edited by Ikedatakeshi on Jan 9th 2019 at 12:36:13 AM

Heh yeah I’d take the risk.

Fuck I’d prolly just lie about my status if that shit actually happens.

Anything for freedom as they say.

Edited by slimcoder on Jan 8th 2019 at 8:39:42 AM

She's stronger then he is, apparently.

Which makes it even more confusing considering he is not well-liked himself, so how would being his property make her less likely to be attacked?

Edited by Ikedatakeshi on Jan 9th 2019 at 1:34:34 AM

Is the spinoff about the Spear Hero as bad as the main series?

As I recall reading a review about it.

It takes place after the spear heroes trauma so he can’t see or hear any women as anything but pigs anymore aside from the young bird girl the shield hero has. He be in love with her so he even calls the shield hero father.

Damn. I was hoping the spinoff wouldn't have the same problems as the original.

@Uninstall

From the character tropes page.

From the series wiki

Along with that the Queen ships her other daughter who is like 10 years old with Shield Hero. Yeah there's all kinds of creepy skeevy stuff here.

Edited by doomrider7 on Jan 9th 2019 at 5:14:15 AM

Was this the web novel or the light novel? As far as I've read the WN and LN have pretty varying stories, with the light novel generally considered the main canon, and said character is still a major player who turns out to be a fragment of an evil god and is plotting to assassinate the Queen and take the throne.

Not saying that it's the pinnacle of writing or even that I particularly like it, but I think that it's only fair to criticize a show on its actual flaws instead of hyperbolized ones.

Edited by Uninstall on Jan 9th 2019 at 9:39:49 AM

The manga also messes with things apparently. For starters, from the YMMV page under MEH:

"In the manga, Motoyasu purchases magic shackles, and uses them on Firo to negate her super-human strength with the intention of kidnapping her so he could exploit her sexually and happily proclaims his intent to do so! This, while constantly condemning Naofumi for being a slave owner."

I'm not sure what it says when 3 adaptations of the same story can't keep it consistent.

Edited by RedRob on Jan 9th 2019 at 11:05:20 AM

The fragment of an evil goddess seems to be the only consistent. Apparently she gets shipped off after the coup attempt or something after having her name changed to Witch.

Yeah it's way too confusing. I mean Slime changes a LOT from WN to LN, but the core story is still the same with the big changes being akin to expansion of characters and plots and adjustments to power to avoid Power Creep.

Edit: That just sounds so fucking repugnant. Like I know he's supposed to be a villain of sorts, but it's still so grody and kind of has that whole, "See how evil this popular chad compared to Naofumi whose nice to his slaves" angle which is just...really?

Edited by doomrider7 on Jan 9th 2019 at 11:44:49 AM

Technically he's a ally, at some point I think. I'm not sure. I just remember the other 3 or so heroes eventually team up with the MC.

And that they get married. I'll give the series props for actually having male characters other than the MC involved in romantic relationships. Not something you usually see in isekai.

The allying thing after trying to rape what is basically a small child just comes off WORSE. I'm assuming this is LN stuff you're saying right?

Sooo basically Light Novel is toned down from Web novel because web novel is really abhorrent?

Generally web novels have less restrictions than light novels since the latter is actually commercialized.

@Red Rob: Don't believe everything you read on sites that can be edited by anybody.

I've checked the relevant chapter of the manga (Ch 15). All Motoyasu says is that he "digs moe angels". He doesn't elaborate on what he wants to do to Firo, if anything at all, just insists that Naofumi release her from slavery. Considering he is a wannabe playboy, you could argue that he might want to have sexual relations with her, but he might also have wanted to secure her freedom (and affection) first and then wait for her to grow up before doing anything to her. There really isn't enough information to say for sure.

There's also the fact that he makes a Disgaea reference, comparing her to Flonne, so his mind might have been well out of the gutter and he just liked her because of her similarity to the character.

It's still isn't okay for an adult to wait for a child to become legal then have a relationship with her. In the spear hero manga he literally calls the MC his father-in-law, so he clearly wants a relationship.

Edit: I also checked the manga chapter 15, he holds her hand in a romantic way ask for her name, what else could he mean?

Edited by Ikedatakeshi on Jan 10th 2019 at 8:48:55 PM

Another note: Apparently after his trauma he starts making doujins for whatever reason.

Not sure if their pornographic or not, but bird-girl is the lead in them.

Sorry, wrong thread.

Edited by CitizenH on Sep 5th 2020 at 4:50:47 AM