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Actually, Owsley asked that very same question, which Fisk deflected by saying that he had powerful friends (I think, not sure exactly what he said). It's implied that Nobu contributed influence with overseas stuff (stuff the Hand was doing) in exchange for those city blocks.

I guess the consequences of his death will just have to wait for Iron Fist or Season 2.

Did we ever find out how Fisk rose to power? If not, Nobu's group could have gave him the resources to start his plan.

From what I gather Nobu is basically an ambassador sent to ensure the Hand's interests are always in mind. H Is sole role is overseeing operations and the Hand's profits in it.

I just watched Episode 11. The thing that made me happiest in the entire series so far: They played the Heartless Bastards! When Karen goes to Josie's to talk to Foggy, Only For You by the Heartless Bastards was playing. They're my favourite band, so it made me excited. I always get excited to hear bands I like get used on TV shows.

Also, the fight at the end of Episode 2 was awesome, as were some of the other fights.

I'm not as happy with Fisk, though. I felt he lacked a presence. In the comics, Kingpin isn't just physically intimidating, he's mentally dominating. He's the kind of guy who can terrify someone with just a glance. Fisk, on the show, always seemed a little uncertain. Also, the voice was a bit tiring at times.

That's kind of the point. Fisk is uncertain because he isn't actually the Kingpin yet. As has been pointed out, this is as much of an origin story for the Kingpin as it is for Daredevil. Rest assured, by the end of the series, you'll be getting the real Kingpin.

So I finished the final two episodes. I'm not entirely sure how I feel about the costume. I don't know, something feels off about it. I think it's actually the mask. The red-and-black design of the costume is pretty good, but the mask looks weird, especially during close-ups. Might just be the difficulty of doing comic book costumes in real life.

I also feel like they missed an opportunity, with the final episode, to finally get Fisk in a white suit. Just seems like it would've been a nice little nod to the comics.

Overall, solid episode. My brother thinks Karen Page should have been killed. I think that would have been a terrible idea, a needless fridging that would've severely hampered enjoyment of the series.

Fisk is dressed in white in his last appearance, however. I did think this was a nod to the comics.

Also, I totally agree on your assessment on Karen and I question what the hell your friend have been smoking. She have been a great character through most of the series and it would be a damn shame to lose her.

Why on earth does he think that?

He might be banking on tradition.

She died in the comics, so she should die here.

I think what we got is much better.

Didn't it take at least three decades worth of comics for Karen to kick the bucket? I figure she's got at least several more years left in her in the show, if she gets offed at all. (And I'm hoping she doesn't.)

It's kind of funny, since when telling my brother why he should watch Daredevil, I used how Karen was written versus Laurel in Arrow and Iris in The Flash as another reason it was good. (I thought Laurel was decent, and I like Iris, but I agree that the writers did an amazing job with Karen, giving her agency and a clear story arc that didn't revolve around romance)

It's funny but Fisk's character arc seems to bear similarities to the classic hero's journey but in the context of him being a villain; a love interest who learns of his double life, a circle of friends, a tragic background that informs his current outlook, doubt etc.

Personally I'm of the mind that a character who dies in the comics shouldn't have to die in an adaptation. With the possible exception of if they were introduced and killed off within a character's origin story.

I kind of wonder if her scene in the first episode where she plays dead and then proceeds to gouge her would-be killer's eye out was intended to send the message that we shouldn't treat her death as a forgone conclusion. Then they proceeded to kill off Ben Uric, despite him being alive in the comics (well, more or less given the whole Secret Wars thing).

Given that, I think the only way she'll be killed off is a case of Real Life Writes the Plot, if the actress is unavailable or has a falling out with the Daredevil production crew.

edited 2nd May '15 11:03:29 AM by Falrinn

Of the main three Karen would probably be the first to die but I don't think that will happen until another season or two goes by.

I hope it doesn't happen ever. She is one of my favorite characters.

My brother's reasoning for thinking Karen should have died is that it would have been an emotional punch to the audience. He also figured her story was done by that point.

I think he's insane. It would've been a needless fridging that just would've pissed viewers off. It would've changed the entire perception of the show. People would've been complaining about "of course they killed off the woman."

I am frustrated enough as it is to which level woman got victimized in this show.

Oh sure, go for the obvious emotional punch with the woman in the support role, as if we didn't already get it with the death of the old wise black mento-huh..... I may not have been troping the show as much as I should have, I think i accidentally found several things in that statement alone.

Aaaaaaaaaaanyway, I hate Urich died, but I'm happy Karen lived. And I can understand Urich's death as part of an emotional gut punch and raising of the stakes, and a reminder that people close the heroes can and will die. I mean hell, I thought Wesley was going to last longer than this. His death was a genuine shock to me.

Foggy would be a better target for an emotional punch death, anyway.

I saw it coming, but ironically, he kind of won even in death. I mean, what was more important to him than anything else on earth? Ensuring that his wife is cared for. Ironically the Kingpin fulfilled him this wish by killing him. Had he lived, he couldn't have afforded her care any longer. But because he got killed the insurance kicked in.

Huh, forgot about that. That's nice.

Still wish they hadn't killed him, though.

And really, I don't see why we need to end a character's story with death. Just tell a new story with them.

Well, if they wanted to go that route, I suppose it wouldn't too bad, but I would prefer if they didn't. I like Foggy.

edited 2nd May '15 7:57:55 PM by KarkatTheDalek

I was joking. I like Foggy as well. But thinking about it, he does seems to be a more fitting victim than Karen. His death would avoid Unfortunate Implication, for starter and, unlike her, he doesn't have a strong character arc or plotline, so there wouldn't be any lose end with his death. Not to mention he is much closer to Matt, so the gut punch would be much more severe.

I am happy is not dead either, but I feel that, given a choice between him and Karen, he should be the one to die.

I wonder if there isn't some kind of Game of Thrones effect recently, where a lot of viewer punches rely on killing a character off, while before that there could be disappearances, betrayals, revelations about one's past.

One thing for sure, if they spend the upcoming season further victimizing Claire and Karen while Foggy keeps getting away, there are some very unfortunate implications. If they want to beat characters up, they have to beat all the characters up, it would feel uncomfortable if one the females are the ones who have to suffer constantly.