General Godzilla Discussion

There’s something to be said about easing in. No one was talking shared Universe off the bat, just “We’re gonna make an American Godzilla movie and get it right this time.” And they did.

Even then, it's currently limited to just Godzilla (and everything he brings) and King Kong. It's a crossover that actually has precedence.

If Warner Bros somehow gets the rights to Gamera and manages to get Kadokawa-Daei and Toho to allow a crossover, then we would know that the Monsterverse is a true success.

Yeah the leak was pretty much close to what the trailer evoked.

The best crossover would be if they somehow got the rights for Ultraman.

The Ultraman rights have been in a complete copyright maelstrom for the past few decades, but a recent April 2018 decision, coupled with the Netflix Ultraman anime being used for international expansion means that it may finally be possible for someone to make an Ultraman movie.

At which point he clearly needs to team up with King Kong and Godzilla in the sequel.

Not that Hollywood hasn't constantly found new ways to fail and disappoint me, but I've always found Godzilla to be a fairly straightforward concept. As long as the monster himself looks cool and behaves how we expect him to, with some good action, then the film can get carried based on that. Nobody expects a masterpiece or anything. Not to take away from the success of the franchise so far, getting a straightforward concept right is more than a lot of other studios can say.

Additionally, if we're allowed to mix genres, Godzilla & Mazinger Z vs Mechagodzilla & the Mycenae Empire would be a dream come true.

Mazinger Z is just a little short compared to the big lizard.

Edited by Zeromaeus on Jul 24th 2018 at 11:19:00 AM

Considering the Monsterverse's 'realistic' approach to the monsters, I really can't see how Mechagodzilla can be implemented. Aliens coming out of nowhere would probably be out of place, even if King Ghidorah might be keeping his alien origin in the new film, so Gigan might also be out. Manda can be easily implemented, being just a giant sea dragon, and also keeps with the trend of the Kaijus being worshiped as gods in ancient civilizations. Biollante as well by just getting rid genetic experiment thing.

This seems to also take inspiration from the 90s Godzilla animated series. The woman in the trailer seems very much like the villian Alexandra Springer.

Edited by ManOfSin on Jul 25th 2018 at 4:09:34 AM

I just know I’d be that executive who goes “I don’t care what’s realistic in a movie about giant monsters, I want Mechagodzilla dammit!”

I mean there’s gotta be something you can do to justify it when Ghidorah is running around.

Is a giant robot designed to fight giant monsters all that much less realistic than the giant monsters themselves? Besides, aliens showing up is a classic Godzilla move. If this goes further than Vs King Kong, I definitely want aliens/robots to show up.

Human-made giant monsters despite no evidence of advance technology, a completely impractical shape and tonal inconsistencies since it made pretty clear on how the monsters are embodiments of nature. Godzilla is basically just a giant wingless bipedal dragon with nuclear fire, and King Ghidorah is basically a winged hydra. Not that difficult to accept for non-fans of Godzilla. Mechagodzilla would be like giant robots appearing in Blade Runner. As for aliens, ideally you get something like the Pacific Rim aliens, completely inhuman and rarely show up, and Gigan doesn't get a saw on his underbelly.

They could take the approach the Millennium Era films did, where it was built around the corpse of a kaiju.

The only free Godzilla shaped corpse is the one the Muto was found in, which isn't exactly in good shape, not to mention the question of why on earth would you do that.

Why would someone do that?

Because humans in monster movies can be weird.

That's not an explanation. It's like justifying the villains doing something incredibly stupid and says they are crazy and thus it's okay not to make sense.

I do agree with you that the Kaiju seem to be the embodiment of natures wrath. So I feel if you were to do Mechagodzilla it would have to be the embodiment of man's technology gone wrong. Although that has Turned Against Their Masters vibes. Which isn't inherently bad but I feel it's a trope you have to be especially careful with.

edit: Yeah that works too.

Edited by jjjj2 on Jul 26th 2018 at 12:11:48 PM

That or a symbol of man’s inherent desire to conquer nature and shape it to its whim. There’s a few ways to go with it actually.

Edited by Beatman1 on Jul 26th 2018 at 10:52:35 AM

There is the Oxygen destroyer and Destoroyah for that for messages about human mistakes. Try fitting Mechagodzilla in the original 1954 film and see how serious that would be taken.

Edited by Ikedatakeshi on Jul 27th 2018 at 12:23:11 AM

I think you can do giant robots vs monsters very seriously. Just look at Neon Genesis Evangelion. That being said I would acknowledge that the mechanics behind Mechagodzilla would be very different from the EVAs.

What's important is the reason for the design and tone. Eva units can't be designed any other way due to essentially being armor on monsters, but a mechanized version of Godzilla isn't, since the only carcass they can use is in pretty bad shape, not to mention there isn't any reason to do so. There isn't an At field for the monsters.

While we prolly won’t get a Mechagodzilla announcement till maybe after Kong & Big G’s epic match I’ll assume they’ll uncover a relatively intact G carcass & build it around that though for what reason I can’t think of anything aside from typical Kaiju fears.

Also here’s something that makes me ponder, both Ghidorah & Gigantic are listed as Psycho’s for Hire with the latter even referred to as a serial killer & I’m like “How do you hire a Kaiju & how is one a serial killer?”

Like are they on pay, can they be contacted, are they intelligent enough to understand what a job is & follow mission orders or specific instructions?

Edited by slimcoder on Jul 26th 2018 at 9:45:29 AM

I don't get how Mechagodzilla would break the audience's suspension of disbelief at this point. I'd assume that the same people who go to see a giant monster movie would also like to see giant monsters fight robots. Maybe tease Mechagodzilla's construction throughout a couple of films, spend a good portion of time showing how much work building and maintaining a Giant Mecha would be, and I think audiences would be onboard with it.

It's the equivalent of the people who claimed Thor wouldn't work for the MCU because he was too fantastical compared with the more down-to-earth Iron Man and Hulk. Audiences were able to accept the leap with very little problem. In 2010, people would think you were a complete idiot if you were to suggest Rocket Raccoon would be in the same movie as Spider-Man and Doctor Strange. Fans want to see these characters interact with each other and that's part of the appeal of a cinematic universe. Audiences do want to see Godzilla fight aliens and giant robots, they just want to see it done well.

This isn't the MCU. This is trying to take inspiration off something more like The Dark Knight films. The tone is very different and much less malleable. Having somebody like Poison Ivy or Clayface show up in that series would've been more jarring.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Jul 26th 2018 at 10:40:05 AM